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deftones1986 07-26-2012 10:29 PM

Jack Johnson
 
Sucks that we don't have anything to give up to get him, but let's say this year is a really low year and we can somehow squeeze in our 1st round pick to Columbus, who else would it take to sent there, to get Jack Johnson in return?

Don't flame! But Our D is getting old, and so is Briere, so we don't really have any choice but to give up somebody important.

***In the event that our aging + unproven D fails us this year.

If not, and we have a good year, then I say forget about any of this.

EDIT

- - -

Sorry I did't really mean that they where getting old.

I meant that the PROVEN great players like Pronger (old and injured), and Timonen where getting old. The allstar names you think of when you say Philly Defense.

Anyway this was just a pipe dream and I knew that all along. I'm just excited to see how this team does this year, but you can't stop me from dreaming!!! Jack Johnson to the Flyers in NHL13 here I come (whenever I buy a new PS3)

Maybe my real question should have been (not that it matters because what's done is done)

Could we have gotten Jack Johnson from LA somehow when the whole Richards and Carter thing went down? Considering that basically Carter will get you Jack Johnson. Hindsight says we would have been really happy with a turnout of:

Columbus 1st round pick (S. Couturier)
B. Schenn
Jack Johnson

It's just interesting to see how it MAY have panned out.

CS 07-26-2012 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deftones1986 (Post 53013477)
Sucks that we don't have anything to give up to get him, but let's say this year is a really low year and we can somehow squeeze in our 1st round pick to Columbus, who else would it take to sent there, to get Jack Johnson in return?

Don't flame! But Our D is getting old, and so is Briere, so we don't really have any choice but to give up somebody important.

***In the event that our aging + unproven D fails us this year.

If not, and we have a good year, then I say forget about any of this.

No it's not. Not even close.

Prongo 07-26-2012 10:36 PM

Coburn-27
Mezsaros-26
Grossmann-27
Schenn-22
Gervais-27
MAB-22
Gus-22

Kimmo-37

Other than one defender that will actually play, they are all under 28. 27 usually is known as the prime of a defenders career. I think the word "aging" and "old" was used far too frequently in your post.

Flyersfan1493 07-26-2012 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deftones1986 (Post 53013477)
Sucks that we don't have anything to give up to get him, but let's say this year is a really low year and we can somehow squeeze in our 1st round pick to Columbus, who else would it take to sent there, to get Jack Johnson in return?

Don't flame! But Our D is getting old, and so is Briere, so we don't really have any choice but to give up somebody important.

***In the event that our aging + unproven D fails us this year.

If not, and we have a good year, then I say forget about any of this.

I'm almost positive CLB won't be trading JJ. I'm pretty sure they've been talking about him being either captain now or future captain material, and JJ has said he loves playing there, partly because it's his home town team.

Roo Mad Bro 07-26-2012 10:48 PM

CBJ will not be trading Jack Johnson.

CTU2fan 07-26-2012 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roo Mad Bro (Post 53014269)
CBJ will not be trading Jack Johnson.

Absolutely not. As much as we feel we fleeced them getting Jake and Couts for Carter, they seem perfectly happy having turned Carter into Jack Johnson, or as they like to call him, JMFJ. There's no reason for them to move him short of a ludicrous overpay, ie Giroux.

deftones1986 07-26-2012 11:04 PM

Sorry I did't really mean that they where getting old.

I meant that the PROVEN great players like Pronger (old and injured), and Timonen where getting old. The allstar names you think of when you say Philly Defense.

Anyway this was just a pipe dream and I knew that all along. I'm just excited to see how this team does this year, but you can't stop me from dreaming!!! Jack Johnson to the Flyers in NHL13 here I come (whenever I buy a new PS3)

Maybe my real question should have been (not that it matters because what's done is done)

Could we have gotten Jack Johnson from LA somehow when the whole Richards and Carter thing went down? Considering that basically Carter will get you Jack Johnson. Hindsight says we would have been really happy with a turnout of:

Columbus 1st round pick (S. Couturier)
B. Schenn
Jack Johnson

sobrien 07-26-2012 11:52 PM

Jackets are going in the right direction, especially defensively. On top of that, contrary to one Mr. Carter, JJ embraced the town immediately after being traded there. He's a fan favorite already, corresponds with the fans on twitter and is likely their future captain. A 1st won't get him from Columbus.

ilovetheflyers8 07-26-2012 11:56 PM

How would we have gotten both Couturier's pick and Jack Johnson, when we got the pick by giving Carter to Columbus and then they traded Carter for Johnson?

edit- Never mind I see, if instead of getting Simmonds we got Johnson. I think if we got Johnson we might not have also gotten Brayden Schenn.

I would like for the team to get Johnson but I don't see CBJ trading him unless the Flyers give up a lot, which I hope they don't do. I think the best thing to do is to wait for next year's free agency.

GoneFullHextall 07-27-2012 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deftones1986 (Post 53013477)
Sucks that we don't have anything to give up to get him, but let's say this year is a really low year and we can somehow squeeze in our 1st round pick to Columbus, who else would it take to sent there, to get Jack Johnson in return?

Don't flame! But Our D is getting old, and so is Briere, so we don't really have any choice but to give up somebody important.

***In the event that our aging + unproven D fails us this year.

If not, and we have a good year, then I say forget about any of this.

EDIT

- - -

Sorry I did't really mean that they where getting old.

I meant that the PROVEN great players like Pronger (old and injured), and Timonen where getting old. The allstar names you think of when you say Philly Defense.

Anyway this was just a pipe dream and I knew that all along. I'm just excited to see how this team does this year, but you can't stop me from dreaming!!! Jack Johnson to the Flyers in NHL13 here I come (whenever I buy a new PS3)

Maybe my real question should have been (not that it matters because what's done is done)

Could we have gotten Jack Johnson from LA somehow when the whole Richards and Carter thing went down? Considering that basically Carter will get you Jack Johnson. Hindsight says we would have been really happy with a turnout of:

Columbus 1st round pick (S. Couturier)
B. Schenn
Jack Johnson

It's just interesting to see how it MAY have panned out.

As others have pointed out outside of Timonen, the D isnt old. I wont count Pronger because hes never going to play again more then likely.
I would of prefered Voynov over Johnson, but thats me.
Schenn,Simmonds and Voynov.

deftones1986 07-27-2012 05:30 AM

Just being hypothetical at this point lol. Nothing serious here. The fun should be in figuring out HOW we could have gotten J. Johnson, Colombus 1st (Coots), and B. Schenn (Ultimately getting us L. Schenn here to play with his brother) all by mixing up only the pieces we sent out with the Richards Carter fiasco last year.

Not saying we couldn't have given M. Richards to Columbus.

And our D isn't getting old, but who is going to be our number 1 in 2 years?

Coburn is......we'll he's just Coburn.

It's ALL IN FUN guys!! I don't see anywhere in the rules where we can't do a what if.........

G Money 07-27-2012 06:26 AM

coots schenn and johnson or coots schenn simmonds and jake?

i'll stick with jake and simmonds over johnson

CTU2fan 07-27-2012 07:04 AM

I guess hypothetically if JJ was available they could have gotten him for Richards, rather than the Simmonds/Schenn package. Or alternatively held onto Carter and possibly made the same deal Columbus made with LA. But in that scenario there's no Couts. Personally I don't see it because at the time I doubt LA is willing to send JJ for Richie (and at the time we still had Pronger and were probably more concerned with getting forwards back for Richie; remember this was pre-draft and we didn't have Couturier yet).

dookie88 07-27-2012 09:40 AM

Jack Johnson is not what we need.

Jumping 07-27-2012 10:44 AM

You think too much.

MsWoof 07-27-2012 11:33 AM

JMFJ is not a very good defenceman. He'll be CBJ's new captain anyway so I doubt he's going anywhere.

Jtown 07-27-2012 11:52 AM

I for one would be disappointed to see JJ leave CBJ. That franchise has taken a considerable hit recently and him leaving would pretty much be the last straw.

FlyersFanz 07-31-2012 11:00 AM

Jack Johnson? Why not wait a year and steal Keith Yandle from Phoenix. Yandle is a way better Dman than Johnson.

dookie88 07-31-2012 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyersFanz (Post 53147033)
Jack Johnson? Why not wait a year and steal Keith Yandle from Phoenix. Yandle is a way better Dman than Johnson.

I didn't want Yandle when we didn't have L.Schenn yet, but I think those two together could form a great pairing down the road.

Honestly, since Weber is locked up I don't see a whole lot of difference between the rest of defender available, so we might aswell just take Yandle. Who knows, he might develop a defensive game.

GKJ 07-31-2012 05:23 PM

If you guys hated Matt Carle, you'd despise Jack Johnson

usahockey22flyers 07-31-2012 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GKJ (Post 53161883)
If you guys hated Matt Carle, you'd despise Jack Johnson

This. Solid puck movers, turnovers galore though.

GKJ 07-31-2012 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by usahockey22flyers (Post 53162647)
This. Solid puck movers, turnovers galore though.

On the contrary, Matt Carle controlled play while on the ice and never got credit for it. Jack Johnson gets credit for controlling the play when he doesn't do it.

Chiquito 07-31-2012 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyersFanz (Post 53147033)
Jack Johnson? Why not wait a year and steal Keith Yandle from Phoenix. Yandle is a way better Dman than Johnson.

How will the Flyers steal Yandle? He is available for the taking but it won't come cheap. I think Pheonix will demand a kings ransom now or next year.

jfont 08-02-2012 10:18 PM

First of all I like JJ. I think he'll one day be a better defenseman than when he was with the Kings. But so, I watch a lot of Kings games and the announcers we have rarely criticize a player. The only times that I remember them really criticize someone is when JJ messed up and this happened twice.

ninetynine* 08-03-2012 12:38 AM

Wowow, Johnson was just traded, and from an evential cup winner the deadline to a bottom-feeder, I'm sure he's pissed and won't respond well to another move. Also , Howson asks stupid prices and waits out until he finds out he can't get them.


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