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BigG44 07-29-2012 07:52 AM

[#9] Voting -- HFStars 2012 Top-20 Prospects -- [#10] Discussion
 
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pos.
country
acquired
round
change
% of vote
1
 ‏‏‏‏Jack Campbell
G
2010
1st
0
37.7
2
 ‏‏‏‏Jamie Oleksiak
D
2011
1st
2
48.0
3
 ‏‏‏‏Alex Chiasson
RW
2009
2nd
2
57.1
4
 ‏‏‏‏Radek Faksa
C
2012
1st
new
73.5
5
 ‏‏‏‏Brenden Dillon
D
2011
FA
7
43.9
6
 ‏‏‏‏Patrik Nemeth
D
2010
2nd
2
38.5
7
 ‏‏‏‏Cody Eakin
C
2012
TR
new
52.3
8
 ‏‏‏‏Reilly Smith
W
2009
3rd
1
34.0

BigG44 07-29-2012 07:55 AM

Be careful when you vote!

I messed up the order of Glennie and Fraser alphabetically.

ginblossoms 07-29-2012 08:54 AM

going against the grain here a bit and picking emil molin.

i'm basing this on what i saw at the development camp (so guptill isn't getting a fair shake from me for purposes of these polls). molin has the unique ability to create space that doesn't seem to be there. couple that with great vision and hockey sense and one immediately thinks of the makings of a poor man's mike ribeiro. excited to see what he can do with more ice time in the sel.

LatvianTwist 07-29-2012 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ginblossoms (Post 53083651)
going against the grain here a bit and picking emil molin.

i'm basing this on what i saw at the development camp (so guptill isn't getting a fair shake from me for purposes of these polls). molin has the unique ability to create space that doesn't seem to be there. couple that with great vision and hockey sense and one immediately thinks of the makings of a poor man's mike ribeiro. excited to see what he can do with more ice time in the sel.

Like this pick, he's underrated.

Still gonna go with Fraser, though.

Chaos 07-29-2012 10:22 AM

Voted Fraser at #8, so Im sticking with him here. Next up is Glennie for me. We knew he was kind of a project pick at the time of his draft, so it shouldnt be that big of a surprise he hasnt stuck with the big club yet. Sure his numbers werent great last year, but he got off to an awful start, and was playing on a terrible team. I think he continues to improve and puts up 60+ points in the AHL this year(if he spends the entire season there).

Primetimey 07-29-2012 11:09 AM

9) Fraser
10) Glennie

batmansuncle 07-29-2012 12:03 PM

This is a tough one. Im not very sold on Fraser, and Glennie... well its Glennie. Stranksy and Ritchie could both be very good top six players. Bystrom and Molin are also worth discussion.
Think im going to go Ritchie, reminds me alot of Neal

Karitimes 07-29-2012 12:18 PM

I took Stransky again and basing it alot on the recent article on the Stars site about him. All I needed to read was he has some of the best puck possession skills in the Dub below the dots in terms of puck protection and the ability to create down low. He's by all accounts got the skill set, proven he can take huge strides when given an opportunity, and he's got the frame to go with the package.

I think we are (me included) underrating Glennie. Good size, still some minor attitude and maturity adjustments in time, but if he can focus on putting his hockey tools to work, he can still be close to, if not on par with what the Stars thought he could be at the time he was drafted.

Ampersand 07-29-2012 12:49 PM

One of these days my Glennie pick will seem appropriate.

LatvianTwist 07-29-2012 01:32 PM

It's amazing to think of the depth we've got. Even the next 5-6 prospects look like they could be big contributors in the NHL at some point.

MetalGodAOD 07-29-2012 03:07 PM

Quote:

I think we are (me included) underrating Glennie. Good size, still some minor attitude and maturity adjustments in time, but if he can focus on putting his hockey tools to work, he can still be close to, if not on par with what the Stars thought he could be at the time he was drafted.
Sure he has all that, but the other prospects here (as well as Fraser + Guptil and maybe even Ritchie) have done more in their time without having disappointing seasons.

Mr Misty 07-29-2012 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karitimes (Post 53087419)
I think we are (me included) underrating Glennie. Good size, still some minor attitude and maturity adjustments in time, but if he can focus on putting his hockey tools to work, he can still be close to, if not on par with what the Stars thought he could be at the time he was drafted.

I am hoping that he will take my low ranking of him personally and use it as motivation to become a great NHLer:sarcasm:

On a more serious note, Stransky here for me. Most of the remaining forwards are much older than he is, hopefully he continues to tear up the Wuh.

LatvianTwist 07-29-2012 04:28 PM

I don't even know where to our Stransky. My placement seems too low, but I don't know who to bump down.

Fraser
Ritchie
Guptill
Glennie
Bystrom
Stransky
Molin

LatvianTwist 07-29-2012 04:36 PM

Another thing:

For all the flak we give Bout the '09 draft (mostly Glennie), it's shaping up to be a really solid draft. Chiasson has top line potential, Glennie and R. Smith 2nd, Vincour 3rd, and McKenzie is a longship for the 4th line.

We really have been getting some amazing talent from the late rounds since '08, but I still wouldn't take it for granted. I don't know who's responsible for those picks, but whoever he is is friggin awesome.

piqued 07-29-2012 06:03 PM

List is looking pretty good so far.

Fraser is both my actual #9 and the next in my queue, so yeah, voting for him. All the prospects have flaws at this point so I think you're looking for standout traits that are going to allow them to carve niches in the NHL. And Fraser's (goalscoring) happens to be the most important. He's not even that much older than Glennie. It was one thing to do what he did as an overager the WHL, it's a whole other to take the AHL by storm.

Next I have Stransky.

Karitimes 07-29-2012 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnholyPrince (Post 53091949)
Sure he has all that, but the other prospects here (as well as Fraser + Guptil and maybe even Ritchie) have done more in their time without having disappointing seasons.

I don't feel 35 points in 60 games is an attrocity for a first year pro, considering he got on a nice run to finish out the season with 26 in his last 34. He's adjusting, and I'm sure he has clearer picture of what it's gunna take.

Cin 07-29-2012 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piqued (Post 53096395)
List is looking pretty good so far.

Fraser is both my actual #9 and the next in my queue, so yeah, voting for him. All the prospects have flaws at this point so I think you're looking for standout traits that are going to allow them to carve niches in the NHL. And Fraser's (goalscoring) happens to be the most important. He's not even that much older than Glennie. It was one thing to do what he did as an overager the WHL, it's a whole other to take the AHL by storm.

Next I have Stransky.

I'd like to see your list, I'm willing to bet we're incredibly close.

LatvianTwist 07-29-2012 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cin (Post 53097839)
I'd like to see your list, I'm willing to bet we're incredibly close.

Has anyone posted theirs yet?

I'm pretty close so far with the main one. All are either spot on or one off, doubt it lasts past 9 though.

piqued 07-29-2012 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cin (Post 53097839)
I'd like to see your list, I'm willing to bet we're incredibly close.

I'll post my full list when we're done. No harm in a top-10 though.

1. Chiasson
2. Faksa
3. Oleksiak
4. R. Smith
5. Eakin
6. Nemeth
7. Dillon
8. Campbell
9. Fraser
10. Stransky

Fly Like a C5 07-30-2012 12:34 AM

9. Fraser
10. Glennie/Guptill/Stransky - #10 is a difficult choice and I'm not sure yet who I'm going for. Leaning towards Glennie, but really like Stransky and Guptill.

Cin 07-30-2012 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piqued (Post 53100207)
I'll post my full list when we're done. No harm in a top-10 though.

1. Chiasson
2. Faksa
3. Oleksiak
4. R. Smith
5. Eakin
6. Nemeth
7. Dillon
8. Campbell
9. Fraser
10. Stransky

Hmm not at all actually haha.

1. Nemeth
2. Oleksiak
3. Faksa
4. Chiasson
5. Stransky (Prolific)
6. Fraser
7. R. Smith
8. Ritchie
9. Glennie
10. Guptill

Eakin and Dillon aren't on the list because they're pro's now.

Nemeth has #1 potential to me. I honestly mean that too, he's an incredibly good player.

Oleksiak is a hoss, but needs to hit more.

Stransky is going to be a Jagr lite.

Glennie barely makes the top 10.

LatvianTwist 07-30-2012 01:16 AM

I'm thinking I'm more interested in projected top 9s than prospect rankings at this point. Really interested to see what some people come up with.

Eriksson - Benn - Chiasson
R. Smith/Fraser - Faksa - Stransky
Guptill - Eakin - Vincour

God, so many other players I wanna fit in but can't.

I kind of agree with Cin on Stransky, but like, a poor, almost broke man's Jagr. 60 points, 70 in a good year, balanced offensively.

glovesave_35 07-30-2012 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LatvianTwist (Post 53106151)
I kind of agree with Cin on Stransky, but like, a poor, almost broke man's Jagr. 60 points, 70 in a good year, balanced offensively.

Just curious, would you make this comparison if Stransky were from say, Sweden? Or would he then get a Foppa comp?

WhoahNow 07-30-2012 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glovesave_35 (Post 53106477)
Just curious, would you make this comparison if Stransky were from say, Sweden? Or would he then get a Foppa comp?

All the scout reports I've read say he has excellent down low puck control, like Jagr does. Protecting the puck while facing the boards making it tough to get the puck away from him. The fact that he is Czech probably adds to the comparison, but from what I heard he plays a similar style anyways.

Cin 07-30-2012 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glovesave_35 (Post 53106477)
Just curious, would you make this comparison if Stransky were from say, Sweden? Or would he then get a Foppa comp?

I thinK Forsberg and Jagr had completely different ways of protecting the puck. Forsberg was incredibly quick and agile, so he could just power straight through you. Where Jagr uses his body as a wall and just goes around you.

Stranksy obviously does the Jagr way.


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