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Beacon 07-30-2012 01:32 AM

Rangers Prospect Poll: #7
 
Jesper Fasth won round 6 and Marek Hrivik is added to the poll.

Don't forget to write who should be added to the poll.


TOP PROSPECTS

1. LW Chris Kreider
2. LW Carl Hagelin
3. C J.T. Miller
4. D Dylan McIlrath
5. RW Christian Thomas
6. RW Jesper Fast

Jesper Fast
Right Wing
Born Dec 2 1991
Height 6.00 -- Weight 180 -- Shoots R

2011-12 HV71 Jonkoping SEL 21 5 11 16

"It was impressive to watch him at the World Juniors, and the type of goals he scores, they're not tap-ins around the crease. They are shots that he's making when he's getting them. So we are pretty excited because we think that he's accelerated his growth."
- Gordie Clark in 2011


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Beacon 07-30-2012 01:34 AM

St. Croix is the best player on the best team in the best junior league in the world. We also got great reports from his team's ticket-holder. He deserves this spot.

Add Oscar Lindberg, a former second rounder who has established himself in the SEL.

RGY 07-30-2012 01:42 AM

Add Lindberg.

There is no way St. Croix has a higher ceiling than Skjei, Nieves, Fasth, and even Lindberg. All of those players have higher chance of actually making it to the NHL because of the tools they possess. St. Croix was a great pick for where we got him. But he dropped as far as he did because teams are wary of his size. He is very small. Playing in Traverse City doesn't show much because that tournament is hardly physical. And quite honestly I'm not too impressed with the WHL as far as the physical side of things going. He is not being challenged enough there. Nigel Dawes came out of the WHL. He was a high scorer on his Kootenay team. Game never translated here. I have a bad feeling St. Croix's game won't. He plays another year in the WHL. Then he is going to at least need 1, maybe 2 years in the AHL adjusting to the strength and physical play at the Pro level. By that time players like Fast, Miller, Nieves, Lindberg, and even McColgan and Fogarty probably will have surpassed whether it be because they have made it to the NHL already or they have progressed better than him.

Kershaw 07-30-2012 01:47 AM

Skjei. I want to say add Andersson, but I'll say add Lindberg for now.

Beacon 07-30-2012 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RGY (Post 53106357)
There is no way St. Croix has a higher ceiling than Skjei, Nieves, Fasth, and even Lindberg. All of those players have higher chance of actually making it to the NHL because of the tools they possess.

Do you know what we are talking about when we talk of the "ceiling"? Because it doesn't mean the odds of making the NHL, it means the odds of being a star in the NHL. Stu Bickel has a better shot of making the NHL than Skjei does, but his ceiling is far lower.


Quote:

Originally Posted by RGY (Post 53106357)
St. Croix was a great pick for where we got him. But he dropped as far as he did because teams are wary of his size. He is very small.

This is just wrong. St. Croix is not very small. We had Thomas ranked in the top-5 and he's significantly smaller than St. Croix, who's 5-11 180 pounds. That's decent size for an offensive kid. And according to reports, he's decently strong, he's just not very tall. But it's not like he's 5-8. At 5-11, height isn't a big deal.


Quote:

Originally Posted by RGY (Post 53106357)
And quite honestly I'm not too impressed with the WHL as far as the physical side of things going.

According to almost everyone, the WHL is better defensively and in terms of physical play than either the OHL or the QMJHL. It's the hardest of the three leagues to score in.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RGY (Post 53106357)
Nigel Dawes came out of the WHL.

That doesn't mean that every other offensive player fails. Dawes was way too over-hyped. He was only 5-8, which is a whole 3 inches below St. Croix. As an 18 year old, Dawes got only 70 points, and not 105 like St. Croix did. St. Croix got 50% more points at the same age. At the age of 19, Dawes still scored only 76 points.

Dawes was never as good a prospect as St. Croix. He was smaller, worse defensively, and not as good offensively.

BrianBoyle 07-30-2012 02:00 AM

Wow, this is really getting ridiculous. St. Croix over Sjkei? Damn, this guy is getting underrated. St. Croix is an undersized scorer who was terrible in the Memorial Cup and playoffs. Skjei is a 6'3, mobile beast of a defenseman.

eco's bones 07-30-2012 02:10 AM

Skjei. Andersson.

Lindberg got sent down brieftly to his first division team last year so I don't know about his 'establsihed himself in the SEL' thing. He certainly was having trouble producing any offense. If he makes it he's definitely a bottom 6 player--almost no top 6 upside. A faceoff specialist--penalty kill guy. One other concerning thing from my perspective the Rangers traded Werek for him right after they dealt for his first cousin Tim Erixon. I don't know if Erixon being moved to Columbus is going to have an effect on Oscar or not but it definitely might make him less willing (despite signing with us) to want to play for us.

Zil 07-30-2012 02:30 AM

Skjei, add Andersson.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beacon (Post 53106281)
St. Croix is the best player on the best team in the best junior league in the world. We also got great reports from his team's ticket-holder. He deserves this spot.

Add Oscar Lindberg, a former second rounder who has established himself in the SEL.

That's not even true. St. Croix's teammate Griffin Reinhart just went fourth overall to the Islanders.

mrjimmyg89 07-30-2012 03:05 AM

St. Croix. The guy put up 105 points as a 19 year old in the WHL. The size thing is being very overused and it isn't true. Ryan Callahan is 5'11 200. AS a grown man, St. Croix has the chance to be around 195 to 200 as well. We don't look at Cally as being small, so why should we do the same with St. Croix? His body type is that of Claude Giroux, plays a similar style as well. I think he gets overlooked here, by a lot of people. Skjei was a first rounder, but at this point in time, he's behind St. Croix in development. I also believe his ceiling is higher as well. St. Croix has the chance to become a 1C, more likely to be a 2C. Don't know how Skjei is going to play in the NCAA. Too many unknowns for me to put him there, but more upside than the others mentioned that he is next for me after St. Croix.

Add Lindberg. At a young age showed he can play at good level in the 2nd best league in the world, but isn't consistent enough to stick around. Not too many, besides to picks usually do.

nafsregnar27 07-30-2012 03:30 AM

Skjei, add Lindberg.

N9Y4R 07-30-2012 04:23 AM

Skjei
Add Lindberg

darko 07-30-2012 05:21 AM

Skjei, add Andersson

nyr2k2 07-30-2012 05:40 AM

Skjei. Add Lindberg.

BrooklynRangersFan 07-30-2012 07:45 AM

Skjei (in a landslide). Add Andersson.

we want cup 07-30-2012 08:20 AM

Skjei, Lindberg, etc.

Trxjw 07-30-2012 08:35 AM

Skjei. Add Lindberg.

HatTrick Swayze 07-30-2012 08:42 AM

Skjei, again.

Add Andersson.

kovazub94 07-30-2012 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrjimmyg89 (Post 53106955)
St. Croix. The guy put up 105 points as a 19 year old in the WHL. The size thing is being very overused and it isn't true. Ryan Callahan is 5'11 200. AS a grown man, St. Croix has the chance to be around 195 to 200 as well. We don't look at Cally as being small, so why should we do the same with St. Croix? His body type is that of Claude Giroux, plays a similar style as well. I think he gets overlooked here, by a lot of people. Skjei was a first rounder, but at this point in time, he's behind St. Croix in development. I also believe his ceiling is higher as well. St. Croix has the chance to become a 1C, more likely to be a 2C. Don't know how Skjei is going to play in the NCAA. Too many unknowns for me to put him there, but more upside than the others mentioned that he is next for me after St. Croix.

Add Lindberg. At a young age showed he can play at good level in the 2nd best league in the world, but isn't consistent enough to stick around. Not too many, besides to picks usually do.

Ditto, I think this board discounts too much what MSC accomplished this year with Oil Kings and relies too much on the small sample of his play at TC last year as a rookie and the prospect camp this year (after he played more games than any other NYR prospect). He was by far the go to guy on offense on the team that played in MC final and while his production rate did slow down in the play-offs, I think he simply run out of gas which is not a crime for an 18 year-old who's still not physically matured yet.

Where's Fogarty? He needs to be added ASAP.

Oops, my bad - add Lindberg.

silverfish 07-30-2012 08:58 AM

Skjei, add Lindberg

Alien Valuating 07-30-2012 09:00 AM

Skjei, add Andersson

The Dark Passenger 07-30-2012 09:15 AM

Skjei, add Lindberg.

Do we really need a poll after a tie breaker? Shouldn't the loser of the tie breaker just take the next spot?

Rangers Fail 07-30-2012 09:44 AM

Went with Skjei. Add Lindberg.

vipernsx 07-30-2012 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zenith (Post 53106519)
Wow, this is really getting ridiculous. St. Croix over Sjkei? Damn, this guy is getting underrated. St. Croix is an undersized scorer who was terrible in the Memorial Cup and playoffs. Skjei is a 6'3, mobile beast of a defenseman.

ditto!

-They compare him to McD with his fluid skating...McD being one of the best blueliners in the game.

Skjei, add Lindberg, though I'm kind of tossed up between him and McColgan. Fogarty has no business being on the list yet.

adam94 07-30-2012 10:13 AM

Skjei. One of the best skating d-men in the draft this year. Add Lindberg

nyr2k2 07-30-2012 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dark Passenger (Post 53109913)
Skjei, add Lindberg.

Do we really need a poll after a tie breaker? Shouldn't the loser of the tie breaker just take the next spot?

Yes we need it. We've had instances in the past where the loser of the tiebreaker didn't win until three rounds later. Sometimes you have a guy that 25 posters here love, enough to push into the tiebreaker, but no one else wants to vote for for a few rounds.


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