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jBuds 07-31-2012 01:29 AM

Your thoughts on Darcy Regier as our GM
 
What do you think? The term has been very, very long, with mixed results and an obvious lack of one thing in particular.

Just to quantify - where in the "ranking" do you fall? I'm sure you would like to see other options, as we know such complaints come with any posted poll. But given the five above, which is most accurate?

McTank 07-31-2012 01:34 AM

Good

Rob Paxon 07-31-2012 03:50 AM

Good

Takeo 07-31-2012 06:04 AM

My vote is below average. He got lucky with the rule changes after the lockout. Ever since then, he's slowly devolved the team from a Stanley Cup contender into a borderline non-playoff team.

JPurp26 07-31-2012 06:48 AM

What is Darcy's preferred model or team identity?
Just curious to everyone's opinions.

His teams pre lockout were defensive minded tight checking. After lockout speed and all out offensive (exciting) and now were slowly shifting back to the first

SabresAreScaryGood 07-31-2012 06:52 AM

Is it fair to rate him in two categories?

I think he is a great GM for teams on a budget. So far I would rate him a terrible GM with money to spend.

What always gets me is he chose to give big money to Drury over Briere. Who knows if Drury gets hurt here, but man would that have been bad. He might be better off that both left.

burner087 07-31-2012 06:53 AM

I put average. He has made some great and even amazing moves. then he gets us a Boyes or a Moore... or a Torres... So the good + the bad = average.

Duddy 07-31-2012 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SabresAreScaryGood (Post 53141393)
Is it fair to rate him in two categories?

I think he is a great GM for teams on a budget. So far I would rate him a terrible GM with money to spend.

What always gets me is he chose to give big money to Drury over Briere. Who knows if Drury gets hurt here, but man would that have been bad. He might be better off that both left.

Yeah terrible, getting Ehrhoff, Regehr, singing Myers to the extension well before he had to. Really a bad GM with money.

:laugh:

oh wait, you're the one thinking the Leino contract is the worst in NHL history.

My bad.

HiddenInLight 07-31-2012 07:13 AM

I think he has done admirably under the constraints he had under BTG, and all in all he is a good GM.....when he stays away from rentals.

SabresAreScaryGood 07-31-2012 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duddy (Post 53141441)
Yeah terrible, getting Ehrhoff, Regehr, singing Myers to the extension well before he had to. Really a bad GM with money.

:laugh:

oh wait, you're the one thinking the Leino contract is the worst in NHL history.

My bad.

You see, when you miss the playoffs its hard to praise a GM. When you sign a guy that doesnt deserve it to 6 years and he has 25 points, its hard not to say its not the worst contract ever.

Lets also remember Ehrhoff had his worst year point wise in 4 years, Regehr had his worst year point wise. Myers was a healthy scratch. Many players had down years and complained about the coach and Regeir felt Ruff did a good job and used his players correctly. A real cup contending big market GM would not have kept Ruff after that year.

I know the Sabres are like family to most fans and you have to defend them all the time, but come on. Last year was not the final chapter of Regier with Pegula, but its off to a terrible start.

SackTastic 07-31-2012 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SabresAreScaryGood (Post 53142173)
You see, when you miss the playoffs its hard to praise a GM. When you sign a guy that doesnt deserve it to 6 years and he has 25 points, its hard not to say its not the worst contract ever.

Judging a 6 year contract based of one season is probably the dumbest thing ever. But hey, whatever works for you.

Jame 07-31-2012 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beechsack (Post 53142393)
Judging a 6 year contract based of one season is probably the dumbest thing ever. But hey, whatever works for you.

well then, by the same logic, signing a player to a 6 year contract based off of one season would also be the dumbest thing ever...

:dunno:

Jame 07-31-2012 08:31 AM

average

Darcy's Cons
1. His belief in Lindy Ruff
2. Slow reaction/Patience regarding roster issues
3. Has never sustained success (no excuses)

Darcy's Pros
1. The guy wins trades
2. Did a decent job while his hands were tied for years
3. Has never crippled the team with his own decision making

average

SackTastic 07-31-2012 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jame (Post 53142461)
well then, by the same logic, signing a player to a 6 year contract based off of one season would also be the dumbest thing ever...

:dunno:

I'm not saying Leino's contract is great. I'm simply evaluating his entire deal after one season is nuts.

He very well could turn things around. Unless we have some psychics here that say he won't I guess.

Jame 07-31-2012 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beechsack (Post 53142715)
I'm not saying Leino's contract is great. I'm simply evaluating his entire deal after one season is nuts.

He very well could turn things around. Unless we have some psychics here that say he won't I guess.



cool

SabresAreScaryGood 07-31-2012 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beechsack (Post 53142393)
Judging a 6 year contract based of one season is probably the dumbest thing ever. But hey, whatever works for you.

This is funny for a few reasons and proves my point your just defending Regier because he is the Sabres GM. If this were Toronto's GM we would be laughing hard at what happened last year.

Like I said, last year was not the final chapter of Regier with Pegula but the 1st year was terrible. All you can judge is the 1st year because that's all we have to judge.

I think making Lindy Ruff untouchable is probably his biggest failure. Saying Ruff did a good job last year is embarrassing. Calling Ruff an elite head coach is just disturbing.

SackTastic 07-31-2012 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SabresAreScaryGood (Post 53142949)
This is funny for a few reasons and proves my point you just defending Regier because he is the Sabres GM. If this were Toronto's GM we would be laughing hard at what happened last year.

Like I said, last year was not the final chapter of Regier with Pegula but the 1st year was terrible. All you can judge is the 1st year because that's all we have to judge.

I think making Lindy Ruff untouchable is probably is biggest failure. Saying Ruff did a good job last year is embarrassing. Calling Ruff an elite head coach is just disturbing.

I'm not defending Regier.

I'm pointing out the absurdity of evaluating a 6 year deal after year one.

But hey, continue on with your narrative.

Jame 07-31-2012 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SabresAreScaryGood (Post 53142949)
This is funny for a few reasons and proves my point your just defending Regier because he is the Sabres GM. If this were Toronto's GM we would be laughing hard at what happened last year.

Like I said, last year was not the final chapter of Regier with Pegula but the 1st year was terrible. All you can judge is the 1st year because that's all we have to judge.

I think making Lindy Ruff untouchable is probably his biggest failure. Saying Ruff did a good job last year is embarrassing. Calling Ruff an elite head coach is just disturbing.

that happens a lot around here... :laugh:

Crazy Tasty 07-31-2012 08:49 AM

I voted good, but I think he's in between average and good. :laugh:

He typically gets good value in trades, however he's been relatively safe in the players he targets.

Heading the ship on the scouting department, I'll give him credit for the amount of NHL bodies his team has drafted over the years.

Under his watch, I can only remember 1 or 2 seasons that were god awful to watch, otherwise they are typically competitive.

Slow to respond/react is probably the biggest negative that he has against him, but his M.O. has always been patience...

Jame 07-31-2012 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beechsack (Post 53143061)
I'm not defending Regier.

I'm pointing out the absurdity of evaluating a 6 year deal after year one.

But hey, continue on with your narrative.

When is the proper time to evaluate a 6 year deal ?

:laugh:

there's this thing called re-evaluation... it can be done as well.

HiddenInLight 07-31-2012 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SabresAreScaryGood (Post 53142173)
You see, when you miss the playoffs its hard to praise a GM. When you sign a guy that doesnt deserve it to 6 years and he has 25 points, its hard not to say its not the worst contract ever.

Lets also remember Ehrhoff had his worst year point wise in 4 years, Regehr had his worst year point wise. Myers was a healthy scratch. Many players had down years and complained about the coach and Regeir felt Ruff did a good job and used his players correctly. A real cup contending big market GM would not have kept Ruff after that year.

I know the Sabres are like family to most fans and you have to defend them all the time, but come on. Last year was not the final chapter of Regier with Pegula, but its off to a terrible start.

1: Leino's deal is FAR from the worst active contract in the league right now. Look at guys like DiPietro, Nash, Carter, and a few others....those are all active contracts that are worse then Leino.

2:Ehrhoff's decrease in production was expected, in case you weren't paying attention last offseason. Most players WILL have less production when switching from playing with Sedin to Roy.

3: Judging Regehr by his point production in laughable. Even a single point is gravy for a player like him. We got him for his defensive zone ability and his physicality.

4: Sometimes a young player like Myers benefits from a good benching, and considering how he played between his return and his injury, it certainly worked. Vanek and Roy have been benched in the early parts of their careers as well. IMO benching myers for that game was the second best decision Ruff made all season, following only the creation of Foligno - Ennis - Stafford as a line.

SabresAreScaryGood 07-31-2012 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beechsack (Post 53143061)
I'm not defending Regier.

I'm pointing out the absurdity of evaluating a 6 year deal after year one.

But hey, continue on with your narrative.

Well I will ask you, when am I allowed to judge the Leino contract, or Regier's results with a blank check, or Lindy Ruff?

Many people tell me signing Semin would have been dumb or signing Doan for 4 years would be stupid, but this is before they even play. So whats the difference? Why cant we judge the Leino deal after 1 year or even before he played?

Chainshot 07-31-2012 08:57 AM

Below average over the span of his career.

AlexanderMogilny89 07-31-2012 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jame (Post 53142663)
average

Darcy's Cons
1. His belief in Lindy Ruff
2. Slow reaction/Patience regarding roster issues
3. Has never sustained success (no excuses)

Darcy's Pros
1. The guy wins trades
2. Did a decent job while his hands were tied for years
3. Has never crippled the team with his own decision making

average

I voted Average. Pretty much this ^^^ . Now if he can make a move this year bringing in a top 6. That might change my mind later in the year.

jBuds 07-31-2012 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SabresAreScaryGood (Post 53142173)
You see, when you miss the playoffs its hard to praise a GM. When you sign a guy that doesnt deserve it to 6 years and he has 25 points, its hard not to say its not the worst contract ever.

Lets also remember Ehrhoff had his worst year point wise in 4 years, Regehr had his worst year point wise. Myers was a healthy scratch. Many players had down years and complained about the coach and Regeir felt Ruff did a good job and used his players correctly. A real cup contending big market GM would not have kept Ruff after that year.

I know the Sabres are like family to most fans and you have to defend them all the time, but come on. Last year was not the final chapter of Regier with Pegula, but its off to a terrible start.

Can't include Ehrhoff when discussing negative things Regier has done, sorry.

I lean towards average, but it has been such an unaccomplished reign overall that those who have him below average cant be laughed off as wrong. Like Chain said...over the span of his tenure.... We win nothing except for trades :naughty:

BUT. I try to quantify the handcuffs he operated the team while shackled with....one simply can't quantify it.


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