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piqued 08-01-2012 09:18 AM

[#12] Voting -- HFStars 2012 Top-20 Prospects -- [#13] Discussion
 
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pos.
country
acquired
round
change
% of vote
1
 ‏‏‏‏Jack Campbell
G
2010
1st
0
37.7
2
 ‏‏‏‏Jamie Oleksiak
D
2011
1st
2
48.0
3
 ‏‏‏‏Alex Chiasson
RW
2009
2nd
2
57.1
4
 ‏‏‏‏Radek Faksa
C
2012
1st
new
73.5
5
 ‏‏‏‏Brenden Dillon
D
2011
FA
7
43.9
6
 ‏‏‏‏Patrik Nemeth
D
2010
2nd
2
38.5
7
 ‏‏‏‏Cody Eakin
C
2012
TR
new
52.3
8
 ‏‏‏‏Reilly Smith
W
2009
3rd
1
34.0
9
 ‏‏‏‏Matt Fraser
LW
2010
FA
9
50.0
10
 ‏‏‏‏Scott Glennie
C/W
2009
1st
7
54.3
11
 ‏‏‏‏Matej Stransky
RW
2011
6th
10
50.0

glovesave_35 08-01-2012 09:32 AM

Klingberg for me, Molin next.

Ambassador Of Fun 08-01-2012 09:47 AM

Holy crap we have a lot of prospects that could be legit NHLers. I went with Guptill. Don't know much about Bystrom, but from the sound of it he is my vote for 13.

LatvianTwist 08-01-2012 10:22 AM

Ritchie again for me.

Thinking I'll go with Guptill next. Then Bystrom, Klingberg, and Molin in that order.

BigG44 08-01-2012 10:56 AM

Ritchie again ... then Guptill followed by Bystrom.

Chaos 08-01-2012 11:45 AM

Guptill, followed by Ritchie then Klingberg.

Faidh ar Rud Eigin 08-01-2012 12:18 PM

Bystrom. Looks like he'll be a solid number 3 defensemen.

Dave Karp 08-01-2012 12:43 PM

Guptill.

Molin, Ritchie, Bystrom are on deck for me.

Hull Fan 08-01-2012 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaos (Post 53181691)
Guptill, followed by Ritchie then Klingberg.

This right here. Then Molin, Bystrom, Vance and I'll have to think about the rest.

Henderson33 08-01-2012 02:20 PM

Ritchie for me

Bystrom, Molin, Guptill, Klingberg for my next four then after that who knows. I really like Devin Shore and think he could sneak into the top 20.

CRSeven 08-01-2012 04:30 PM

Went with Bystrom.

Ogi1Kenobi 08-01-2012 05:35 PM

Ritchie, Guptill then Klingberg.

Karitimes 08-01-2012 08:21 PM

Went Molin based on a relatively early jump to the SEL, raw talent, and blood lines.

I love the fact that Molin has already got to understand first hand what it takes to win a championship in a Pro league. Also doesn't hurt having learned from a pro since the first time he put skates on. Based on the number second generation talents we see who either earn their way to the NHL or other very high levels of hockey, I'd say it's relatively easy to assess how strong of an impact former Pro players have had on their sons' hockey upbringing.

By all accounts (that I've read here) the skills are in place, so he's my vote for the 12 spot.

Modo 08-01-2012 08:23 PM

Gonna go with Ritchie here.

piqued 08-01-2012 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LatvianTwist (Post 53179075)
Ritchie again for me.

Thinking I'll go with Guptill next. Then Bystrom, Klingberg, and Molin in that order.

If I put Sinitsyn on the options next would you vote for him? :sarcasm:

LatvianTwist 08-01-2012 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piqued (Post 53203443)
If I put Sinitsyn on the options next would you vote for him? :sarcasm:

I actually had him in my top 15 for a while until I realized I'd have to put every other draftee from this year down too. :laugh:

Frozen Failure 08-01-2012 11:32 PM

Ritchie, Guptill, Molin or Vance.

Cin 08-01-2012 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glovesave_35 (Post 53177927)
Klingberg for me, Molin next.

Can I ask why? Don't know a whole hell of a lot about him.

Captain Awesome 08-01-2012 11:45 PM

I keep looking at this list and wondering when Austin Smith will get picked. I haven't picked him yet and I understand why he's this low, but I'm surprised no one is excited enough to pick him at this point. I'm not sure what else he could have done to garner more hype, just wanted to get some thoughts from everyone as to why you think he isn't going higher on this list.

hairylikebear 08-01-2012 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome (Post 53208655)
I'm not sure what else he could have done to garner more hype

Aside from being three years younger, nothing.

A lot of prospects are criminally low... but if they weren't, there would be even better prospects in the bottom half.

I think he belongs in the same tier as Ritchie, Guptill, Stransky and Molin. Unfortunately he's older and not as "prospecty" as the other four, so it's no surprise that they're all on their way before him. Glennie is another story though. I can't believe he got into the top 10. We might as well vote Angelo Esposito in next.

BigG44 08-02-2012 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cin (Post 53208571)
Can I ask why? Don't know a whole hell of a lot about him.

John Klingberg is an average sized, right shot D with a slight frame. More importantly he's the coveted 5th round prospect (drafted in 2010). He's one of Dallas' recent draft picks out of the seldom scouted J18 leagues in Sweden. Emil Molin also spent the majority of his draft year in that league.

He's an offensive D who is willing to throw hits, but his light body doesn't offer much resistance. Many people have described him as a 4th forward, and his defense leaves quite a bit to be desired. He was a surprised addition to the 2010/11 Swedish WJC team, and he made the team again the following year. In both tournaments, better offensive options were available on the blueline, and his defensive deficiencies meant he had a short leash. He just didn't earn the trust of the coaches which translated to limited ice time.

After surprisingly playing 26 games with Frolunda in the SEL the year after Dallas drafted him, Klingberg made the decision to leave Sweden for the 2011-12 season to take his chances with Jokerit in the top Finnish league. It ultimately proved to be a major mistake. Home sickness and a slow start saw his ice time limited and him even being dropped to playing in the junior league in Finland a bit. Both the team and Klingberg admitted the mistake, and Klingberg was loaned to the Swedish team Skellefteċ to finish the season. Despite limited production, he gained valuable experience in a long playoff run. His team ultimately lost in the finals to Brynas (Emil Molin's team).

In the playoffs, Klingberg suffered a knee injury that caused him to miss a few games, but after the season he required surgery in Dallas for a hip injury. The recovery will keep him off the ice until around November. Because of a wasted half season in Finland last year with a wasted half season to injury this season, I'd actually expect Klingberg's arrival in NA to be delayed until 2014-15 in hopes that he can play a full, healthy season in Sweden in 2013-14.

Plus, I think you can tentatively pencil in Jordie Benn, Jyrki Jokipakka, Hubert Labrie, Jamie Oleksiak, and Troy Vance down in Austin for 2013-14. Since Dallas likes a veteran or two playing with their young D, I could see Sloan, Fortunus, or a new veteran joining Benn as veteran leaders on the blue line to fill out the roster. That would then set up nicely for Klingberg and Ludwig Bystrom to make the jump to the AHL together in 2014-15.

Klingberg's upside right now seems to be a PP specialist that could play 3rd pair minutes at ES. His best assets are his offensive vision and skating. The thing that could prevent him for ever playing in the NHL is his poor decision making in the defensive zone.

BigG44 08-02-2012 12:03 AM

Man ... I really hope I didn't just waste my time. Looking back at your response ... were you talking about Molin or Klingberg?

:laugh:

BigG44 08-02-2012 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome (Post 53208655)
I keep looking at this list and wondering when Austin Smith will get picked. I haven't picked him yet and I understand why he's this low, but I'm surprised no one is excited enough to pick him at this point. I'm not sure what else he could have done to garner more hype, just wanted to get some thoughts from everyone as to why you think he isn't going higher on this list.

You can lump me in with the Hobey Baker voters that were concerned about his level of competition in the ECAC. His goal totals were impressive, but he's just not facing the quality competition like the WCHA, CCHA, or Hockey East provides.

For me it's very much let's wait and see what he does in the AHL. Guys like Alex Chiasson (Hockey East), Reilly Smith (CCHA), and Alex Guptill (CCHA) were dominating power house hockey conferences. Their smaller offensive totals are much more impressive based on their conferences IMO. In football terms, the ECAC is sort of like Conference USA or Mountain West.

Captain Awesome 08-02-2012 12:20 AM

Fair enough, all of these things are out of his control unfortunately. Your explanation makes sense but I think putting up near historical numbers should be an eyebrow raiser. Guess we'll see what he's made of at training camp and in the AHL.

BigG44 08-02-2012 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome (Post 53209363)
Fair enough, all of these things are out of his control unfortunately. Your explanation makes sense but I think putting up near historical numbers should be an eyebrow raiser. Guess we'll see what he's made of at training camp and in the AHL.

What he did was impressive. I respect the stats, but you're not talking historical numbers. 36 goals as 23 year old in the ECAC just doesn't impress me nearly as much as what younger Dallas NCAA prospects are doing. Plus, I'm always a bit skeptical of the senior NCAA phenom. I get that he was injured as a junior, but he wasn't a great goal scorer as a freshman or sophomore either. He was able to rack up assists and points as an underclassmen, but he has only one season of big time goal scoring.

I just think his age and conference make me want to see him in the pro game before I put him in the same league as the guys we're talking about right now like Guptill, Ritchie, Stranksy, and Molin.

EDIT: To be 100% upfront I should say I think I saw him play twice ... maybe three times in 4 years. I saw Guptill play more in one season, and I watched a ton of Miami and BU games. The ECAC just doesn't get coverage. I actually wasted time watching more Nico Sacchetti games than Austin Smith ... :).


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