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LatvianTwist 08-01-2012 01:30 PM

Dallas - Detroit
 
:stars Receive:

Teemu Pulkkinen
2013 2nd Round Pick


:wings Receive:

Reilly Smith


Why Dallas does this - We've got more than few great wing prospects who're all looking like they could crack the NHL line-up. Only problem I see is that we only really have one playmaker in that pool in Glennie, and most of the others are snipers. While Pulkkinen isn't a pure playmaker, he's probably better than anyone in our pool, currently. We'd have a more balanced pool in the end, but Smith is definitely a bit better and more NHL ready, so we get an extra pick to make up the difference.

Why Detroit does this - They get a young sniper with a good two-way game who could step in as early as next year in a top 6 role. He'd lessen the sting of moving a guy like Franzen in a trade (not sure what the rumors are now), but he could also use some seasoning in the AHL. They'd also unite the Smith brothers, which could only be beneficial for both.

I don't see this ever happening, just trying to gauge the value and thought it'd be neat to see the Smith's play together. Don't think we have the assets to acquire Brenden, though. That, and I'm really bored.

See Post #7 for New Proposal

Bench 08-01-2012 01:46 PM

Pulkkinen is getting more hype lately, so a 2nd rounder is too steep. Both guys have about the same potential and pedigree right now.

But I'd made this trade, adjusting that pick somehow, because watching R. Smith in college has been a joy and I'd jump at the chance to add him with the brother connection.

solo16 08-01-2012 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LatvianTwist (Post 53185871)
:stars Receive:

Teemu Pulkkinen
2013 2nd Round Pick


:wings Receive:

Reilly Smith


Why Dallas does this - We've got more than few great wing prospects who're all looking like they could crack the NHL line-up. Only problem I see is that we only really have one playmaker in that pool in Glennie, and most of the others are snipers. While Pulkkinen isn't a pure playmaker, he's probably better than anyone in our pool, currently. We'd have a more balanced pool in the end, but Smith is definitely a bit better and more NHL ready, so we get an extra pick to make up the difference.

Why Detroit does this - They get a young sniper with a good two-way game who could step in as early as next year in a top 6 role. He'd lessen the sting of moving a guy like Franzen in a trade (not sure what the rumors are now), but he could also use some seasoning in the AHL. They'd also unite the Smith brothers, which could only be beneficial for both.

I don't see this ever happening, just trying to gauge the value and thought it'd be neat to see the Smith's play together. Don't think we have the assets to acquire Brenden, though. That, and I'm really bored.

Not going to happen. Smith is a nice prospect but Pulks stock is beginning to go up considerably. Last year fans were somewhat cool on him. The wings brass is quite high on Pulk and after our last prospect camp it is looking like he has what it takes to make the NHL. He showed up to camp surprisingly mature and played gritty enough for NA Hockey. The age difference is 1 year between Pulk and Smith. Wings have 16 signed NHL Forwards for 2012 and 19 if you want to catch fringe AHLer prospects.

Detroit is willing to move him but you have him valued real low. I would say the difference between both players is pretty similar. (Edge Smith). A 2nd is too much. I would argue Smith is worth a mid 1st to high 2nd.

Smith for Pulk+4th tops

For reference I am considering Smith a similar prospect value wise to Nyquist another big time NCAA Scorer that is more NHL ready than Smith. The difference between Nyquist and Pulk is not a 2nd.

If you want a playmaker Tartar might be more your speed. Same age as Smith similar value to Pulk. I would be worried there is a chance he ends up as a tweener but kid has work ethic (but no greater than Pulk becoming a bust). He is better defensively, grittier, and a better passer than Pulk. That said no wings prospect is a better sniper than Pulk (save maybe FRK).

sully61 08-01-2012 01:48 PM

I'd do it if the pick was a 5th rounder

Wolverine Wings 08-01-2012 01:53 PM

I'd do this trade. Or at least a variation of it. Hmm... interesting. I'm not as enamored as I was with Pulk as I was this time last season, and I'd be all on board if it was:

DAL
Pulkkinen
2nd

DET
Smith
3rd

As far as everything else though... it seems like Fil is the guy DET is using as a lynchpin for their trading hopes. Franzen just has a much tougher contract to move and I don't think there is any express interest in him. But gaining a more proven prospect is always a good thing.

Also, there is basically nothing any team can give Detroit, with in reason, that will get them to give up Smith. Sorry :)

Ishad 08-01-2012 01:54 PM

With similar upsides, I imagine the wings stick with the right handed shooter.

LatvianTwist 08-01-2012 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solo16 (Post 53186655)
Not going to happen. Smith is a nice prospect but Pulks stock is beginning to go up considerably. Last year fans were somewhat cool on him. The wings brass is quite high on Pulk and after our last prospect camp it is looking like he has what it takes to make the NHL. He showed up to camp surprisingly mature and played gritty enough for NA Hockey. The age difference is 1 year between Pulk and Smith. Wings have 16 signed NHL Forwards for 2012 and 19 if you want to catch fringe AHLer prospects.

Detroit is willing to move him but you have him valued real low. I would say the difference between both players is pretty similar. (Edge Smith). A 2nd is too much. I would argue Smith is worth a mid 1st to high 2nd.

Smith for Pulk+4th tops

For reference I am considering Smith a similar prospect value wise to Nyquist another big time NCAA Scorer that is more NHL ready than Smith. The difference between Nyquist and Pulk is not a 2nd.

If you want a playmaker Tartar might be more your speed. Same age as Smith similar value to Pulk. I would be worried there is a chance he ends up as a tweener but kid has work ethic (but no greater than Pulk becoming a bust). He is better defensively, grittier, and a better passer than Pulk. That said no wings prospect is a better sniper than Pulk (save maybe FRK).

Forgot about Tatar. To be honest, I think I'd rather have him, and I'd be willing to add a 3rd.

New Proposal

:stars Receive:

Tomas Tatar
2013 2nd Round Pick

:wings Receive:

Reilly Smith
2013 3rd Round Pick

ricky0034 08-01-2012 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solo16 (Post 53186655)
Not going to happen. Smith is a nice prospect but Pulks stock is beginning to go up considerably. Last year fans were somewhat cool on him. The wings brass is quite high on Pulk and after our last prospect camp it is looking like he has what it takes to make the NHL. He showed up to camp surprisingly mature and played gritty enough for NA Hockey. The age difference is 1 year between Pulk and Smith. Wings have 16 signed NHL Forwards for 2012 and 19 if you want to catch fringe AHLer prospects.

Detroit is willing to move him but you have him valued real low. I would say the difference between both players is pretty similar. (Edge Smith). A 2nd is too much. I would argue Smith is worth a mid 1st to high 2nd.

Smith for Pulk+4th tops

For reference I am considering Smith a similar prospect value wise to Nyquist another big time NCAA Scorer that is more NHL ready than Smith. The difference between Nyquist and Pulk is not a 2nd.

If you want a playmaker Tartar might be more your speed. Same age as Smith similar value to Pulk. I would be worried there is a chance he ends up as a tweener but kid has work ethic (but no greater than Pulk becoming a bust). He is better defensively, grittier, and a better passer than Pulk. That said no wings prospect is a better sniper than Pulk (save maybe FRK).

9/10 gms would do that trade in a heartbeat

the others would stop and think about it before doing it

Bench 08-01-2012 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LatvianTwist (Post 53187095)
Forgot about Tatar. To be honest, I think I'd rather have him, and I'd be willing to add a 3rd.

:stars Receive:

Tomas Tatar
2013 2nd Round Pick

:wings Receive:

Reilly Smith
2013 3rd Round Pick

Tatar is a top 5 prospect for the Wings and has done very well in the AHL. I guess I'm confused why the Wings would have to upgrade the Stars draft pick when Tatar has proven more at a higher level. They were drafted at almost identical times, too, in 2009.

But it's ballpark.

ScubaSteve* 08-01-2012 02:09 PM

You might as well propose Vlad Konstantinov for Roman Lyashenko. The Stars and Wings don't trade with each other.

Wolverine Wings 08-01-2012 02:14 PM

Pulk < R. Smith(slightly)
Tatar > R. Smith(slightly)

But this is again, a very reasonable and doable trade. I'd feel better if the picks were swapped, but if this was absolutely what it came down to, I would do it. And I really like Tatar. This is a good hockey deal, both teams have to give to get.

This actually would be a good hypothetical ice breaker for a much larger deal, IMO.

Bench 08-01-2012 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScubaSteve (Post 53187683)
You might as well propose Vlad Konstantinov for Roman Lyashenko. The Stars and Wings don't trade with each other.

Wings don't trade period.

Unless it's for former Wings.

Wolverine Wings 08-01-2012 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bench (Post 53187935)
Wings don't trade period.

Unless it's for former Wings.

Don't forget that KH is a masochist and must punish himself for ever letting a former Wings player go. An overpayment is a MUST.


He must be kicking himself right now for letting Villie Leino and Kyle Quincey leave.

solo16 08-01-2012 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2MGoBlue2 (Post 53188081)
Don't forget that KH is a masochist and must punish himself for ever letting a former Wings player go. An overpayment is a MUST.


He must be kicking himself right now for letting Villie Leino and Kyle Quincey leave.

I am sure the papers are all ready prepared to bring Villie back. 2013 first?

solo16 08-01-2012 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bench (Post 53187529)
Tatar is a top 5 prospect for the Wings and has done very well in the AHL. I guess I'm confused why the Wings would have to upgrade the Stars draft pick when Tatar has proven more at a higher level. They were drafted at almost identical times, too, in 2009.

But it's ballpark.

I do not have a huge problem with it. Tartar is more of a sure thing than Smith, but Smith has more size/attributes and NA which is helpful for Detroit. Their offensive upside is probably similar. Smith is a year younger so we could bury him in the AHL for an extra year.

Its a wash.

Crymson 08-01-2012 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2MGoBlue2 (Post 53188081)
He must be kicking himself right now for letting Villie Leino and Kyle Quincey leave.

Umm... no. Leino was a disaster in Detroit; if you hadn't noticed, the only roster players KH ever trades are those who are lazy and/or in possession of a terrible attitude, and Leino had both. Quincey played himself off the roster in 2008. He was unremarkable in comparison to Ericsson and Meech.


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