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zombi 08-01-2012 03:23 PM

Kesler to Detroit
 
I would love to have Ryan Kesler back in his hometown. What do you think it would take to bring him back?

:nucks

Filppula
Nyquist
Kindl
2nd in 2013

:wings

Kesler

Thoughts?

Nuckles 08-01-2012 03:25 PM

Zero reason to downgrade on Kesler to get a couple of prospects and an upcoming UFA in Filppula.

Fastasaurus 08-01-2012 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zombi (Post 53191047)
I would love to have Ryan Kesler back in his hometown. What do you think it would take to bring him back?

:nucks

Filppula
Nyquist
Kindl
2nd in 2013

:wings

Kesler

Thoughts?

I dont think that even comes close to getting it done. When Kesler is healthy he is a top 20 centre in the league easily. Who would centre the 2nd line and why would the Canucks take that drop off? Most likely you would have a centre who isnt even remotely close defensively and then they have 2 centres who cant/dont/wont play defense.

Henrik To Daniel 08-01-2012 03:30 PM

If Kesler is going to Detroit, Datsyuk is coming back to Vancouver. 1 for 1 deal

zombi 08-01-2012 03:31 PM

I guess I would be under the assumption that Fil would re-sign long-term with the Nucks or a sign-and-trade would be done prior.

ziploc 08-01-2012 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zombi (Post 53191047)
I would love to have Ryan Kesler back in his hometown. What do you think it would take to bring him back?

:nucks

Filppula
Nyquist
Kindl
2nd in 2013

:wings

Kesler

Thoughts?

I think the package would have to really blow Gillis' socks off, to be honest. There really isn't any pressing need at all to move Kesler, he is key to the Canucks' success. So I think it would have to be a very, very highly rated prospect and some other immediate help, because otherwise the Canucks just get worse, and they are in win-now mode.

zombi 08-01-2012 03:38 PM

Hmmmm....

:nucks

Filppula
Franzen
2nd in 2013

:wings

Kesler

?

Benedict Kovalchuk 08-01-2012 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zombi (Post 53191743)
Hmmmm....

:nucks

Filppula
Franzen
2nd in 2013

:wings

Kesler

?

Value is probably close-ish, but the Canucks have zero reason to make this trade.

Avs44 08-01-2012 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zombi (Post 53191743)
Hmmmm....

:nucks

Filppula
Franzen
2nd in 2013

:wings

Kesler

?

No reason for the Canucks to trade Kesler unless its for an upgrade.

FissionFire 08-01-2012 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henrik To Daniel (Post 53191409)
If Kesler is going to Detroit, Datsyuk is coming back to Vancouver. 1 for 1 deal

I know Kesler is a really good player when healthy but don't you think you are overestimating him if you place his value as equal to Datsyuk? Datsyuk is probably in the conversation for top 5 C's in the entire league. I don't think Kesler is quite at that level yet, if he ever gets there.

Vankiller Whale 08-01-2012 03:42 PM

The only thing that would give us incentive to move Kesler is if Datsyuk or Zetterberg+ is coming back.

Fraser Read 08-01-2012 03:43 PM

Cant see the Canucks having any interest in moving Kesler for anything short of Dats/Zetterberg

ronnyweed 08-01-2012 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henrik To Daniel (Post 53191409)
If Kesler is going to Detroit, Datsyuk is coming back to Vancouver. 1 for 1 deal

not even close, if you believe this than you will also believe that you guys won the cup in 2011

solo16 08-01-2012 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zombi (Post 53191047)
I would love to have Ryan Kesler back in his hometown. What do you think it would take to bring him back?

:nucks

Filppula
Nyquist
Kindl
2nd in 2013

:wings

Kesler

Thoughts?

Detroit would probably do it. Van probably says no.

This deal is dependent on how good GMs thing Nyquist will be. If Detroit thinks hes a superstar in the making they decline. If VAN thinks hes a superstar in the making they accept. I am not a professional scout so I am not really sure where I peg Nyquist but he has the tools to be the next Z or D (from the wing).

jonlin 08-01-2012 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fastasaurus (Post 53191407)
I dont think that even comes close to getting it done. When Kesler is healthy he is a top 20 centre in the league easily. Who would centre the 2nd line and why would the Canucks take that drop off? Most likely you would have a centre who isnt even remotely close defensively and then they have 2 centres who cant/dont/wont play defense.

U follow Detroit? Filppula is a VERY good 2-way player, who can play both center/wing. The first season he played full 2-line duty - he gets 66p, +18. The guy plays pp, pk and is very good defensively.

This said - I would do the trade from Vancouvers point of wiew, IF Filppula was signed long-term. He is only 1 year from UFA and Nyqvist and Kindl are not enough to get Kesler. Sign Filppula to an extension 16mill/4yrs and do the trade. From Detroits point of wiew I`m not sure I would!? Kesler wasn`t exactly a force last season...

Henrik To Daniel 08-01-2012 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FissionFire (Post 53191945)
I know Kesler is a really good player when healthy but don't you think you are overestimating him if you place his value as equal to Datsyuk? Datsyuk is probably in the conversation for top 5 C's in the entire league. I don't think Kesler is quite at that level yet, if he ever gets there.

We have no incentive to trade Kesler for lesser players

Vankiller Whale 08-01-2012 03:47 PM

If Filppula can play centre well, then him, Smith/Nyquist, 1st.

LickTheEnvelope 08-01-2012 03:47 PM

Kesler ain't moving. There's the whole '3 amigos' thing with Kesler, Burrows and Bieksa. Unless the Canucks are blowing things up none of the core are going anywhere.

Reign Nateo 08-01-2012 03:47 PM

You can get the value close as you want, the Canucks aren't about to trade Kesler. Would open a huge void at centre ice, on the PK and amongst the leadership group.

One of those ones you can argue until you're blue in the face. It ain't happening.

KISSland 08-01-2012 03:48 PM

Datsyuk is 34. Kesler is 27.

I wouldn't move Kesler for Datsyuk. I know I'll get flamed for this, and I know Dats is the better player, but Datsyuk is getting there in age and is a whole 7 years older than Kesler.

For what I'd want out of Detroit? Smith+Filppula+ for Kesler+Ballard.

sully61 08-01-2012 03:49 PM

Filppula 81 games 66 points. Kesler 77 games 49 points. Both equally good defensively. I wouldn't even trade Filppula for Kesler straight up right now.

zombi 08-01-2012 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LickTheEnvelope (Post 53192177)
Kesler ain't moving. There's the whole '3 amigos' thing with Kesler, Burrows and Bieksa. Unless the Canucks are blowing things up none of the core are going anywhere.

What if Vancouver fails to go deep into the playoffs next season? If this happens, I feel the a shakeup may be in order.

LickTheEnvelope 08-01-2012 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zombi (Post 53192535)
What if Vancouver fails to go deep into the playoffs next season? If this happens, I feel the a shakeup may be in order.

Depends on what happens. If it's like last year and they are missing a Sedin and lose to a team that barely lost at all on route to the cup... then i don't think much changes.

If they completely tank, lose the NW div, Schneider sucks and are out in round one then ya... they might look to tweak things.

Bench 08-01-2012 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Figz14 (Post 53192255)
Datsyuk is 34. Kesler is 27.

How old is Jagr this year? Or hell, Whitney.

That's how many years of production you'll get from Datsyuk.

I don't care for this trade idea at all, I just hate how anybody over 30 is suddenly headed for the HFboards retirement home.

Rydgar 08-01-2012 04:00 PM

I think other Canucks fans underrate Filpulla. I don't think Kesler is as vital to our team as many make it. I would do:

To Detroit:

Kesler

To Vancouver:

Filpulla
Jarnkrok
Nyquist
Conditional 2nd rounder given if Filpulla doesn't re-sign here


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