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ericchurchavsfan 08-01-2012 04:56 PM

Avs - Ducks
 
Ducks get: Stastny, Barrie/Gaunce, 2nd

Avs Get: Bobby Ryan

Reason: Ducks get a legitimate 2nd line playmaking center, could build good chemistry with etem in the future, stastny also could use a change of scenery to return to his 70 point form, and a NHL ready dman, if not ready very very close as both have gotten some playing time with the big club, as we all know the ducks are weak on the back end, barrie is a good offensive dman which could soften the blow of losing justin schultz.

Avs get the big scoring winger they need, can play the left side also which is a position the avs lack depth in. ryan-duchene-parenteau could be a pretty scary line in the future

Duck Off 08-01-2012 05:00 PM

I'm sick of of Avs fans trying to get Ryan for Stastny. Duchene or no dice. Please understand this as it's been said many times.

AvsFan20 08-01-2012 05:00 PM

This deal actually makes a lot of sense.

Ducks need a #2 center, and the Avs could sacrifice one of their top 3 centers for another top 6 winger.

However, is this enough for the Ducks and their fans to comfortably part with Bobby Ryan? Ducks fans?

Gliff 08-01-2012 05:01 PM

Never seen this before...

Duck Off 08-01-2012 05:02 PM

No it's not enough. I'd rather do something involving Duchene or add something very significant to ROR. Not interested in Stastny, would rather keep Ryan and see how Holland does.

PAZ 08-01-2012 05:07 PM

Don't want to trade Stastny unless it's for Bozak.

BrickAHL 08-01-2012 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duckstudd269 (Post 53195599)
I'm sick of of Avs fans trying to get Ryan for Stastny. Duchene or no dice. Please understand this as it's been said many times.

Deal.

Ellerfan 08-01-2012 05:14 PM

Stastny for Bouwmester

one vs one

jfisher6 08-01-2012 05:17 PM

Any deal sending Stastny somewhere needs to include a 3rd line C coming back to the Avs.

Don't want Bouwmeester.

NOT gonna trade Duchene.

Colorado Avalanche 08-01-2012 05:25 PM

Ryan is pretty overrated, If that package isn't enough. I'd say no from Colorado. People are selling Stastny too cheap these days.

Colorado Avalanche 08-01-2012 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellerfan (Post 53196329)
Stastny for Bouwmester

one vs one

calgary would have to add something

Drij 08-01-2012 05:26 PM

meh Bobby Ryan is overrated.

IHaveNoCreativity 08-01-2012 05:27 PM

It's fair value, Stastny could use a change, Barrie or Gaunce would fit in Anaheim's system... The 2nd holds a 1/4 chance of becoming an NHL player.

Lonewolfe2015 08-01-2012 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duckstudd269 (Post 53195599)
I'm sick of of Avs fans trying to get Ryan for Stastny. Duchene or no dice. Please understand this as it's been said many times.

Yeah, because all Avs fans actually want to make that deal.

NHL33* 08-01-2012 05:44 PM

I would much rather trade Duchene. That said I'd prefer to target a top-pairing defenseman, or one on the cusp of becoming one, instead. Wouldn't mind Duchene being traded for Ryan though.

Avs will see how Stastny's contract situation looks next year before moving anyone (if at all).

ShadowDuck 08-01-2012 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colorado Avalanche (Post 53196903)
Ryan is pretty overrated, If that package isn't enough. I'd say no from Colorado. People are selling Stastny too cheap these days.

The value is alright, it's just Statsny's contract is a killer.

ericchurchavsfan 08-01-2012 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowDuck (Post 53198141)
The value is alright, it's just Statsny's contract is a killer.

His cap hit is only around 1 mil (a little higher then that) more than ryan, who has said he doesn't want to be in anaheim, while stastny was also expressing displeasure with management after the johnson trade. duchene loves the avs and is the future of the franchise. he will NOT be traded

Drij 08-01-2012 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericchurchavsfan (Post 53198299)
His cap hit is only around 1 mil (a little higher then that) more than ryan, who has said he doesn't want to be in anaheim, while stastny was also expressing displeasure with management after the johnson trade. duchene loves the avs and is the future of the franchise. he will NOT be traded

That was Peter Stastny, Paul Stastny's dad.

Vipers31 08-01-2012 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericchurchavsfan (Post 53198299)
(...) ryan, who has said he doesn't want to be in anaheim (...)

Which would be wrong.

BrickAHL 08-01-2012 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericchurchavsfan (Post 53198299)
His cap hit is only around 1 mil (a little higher then that) more than ryan, who has said he doesn't want to be in anaheim, while stastny was also expressing displeasure with management after the johnson trade. duchene loves the avs and is the future of the franchise. he will NOT be traded

Are you sure that you're an Avs fan?

Emerald Duck 08-01-2012 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericchurchavsfan (Post 53195403)
Ducks get: Stastny, Barrie/Gaunce, 2nd

Avs Get: Bobby Ryan

Reason: Ducks get a legitimate 2nd line playmaking center, could build good chemistry with etem in the future, stastny also could use a change of scenery to return to his 70 point form, and a NHL ready dman, if not ready very very close as both have gotten some playing time with the big club, as we all know the ducks are weak on the back end, barrie is a good offensive dman which could soften the blow of losing justin schultz.

Avs get the big scoring winger they need, can play the left side also which is a position the avs lack depth in. ryan-duchene-parenteau could be a pretty scary line in the future

Certainly Stastny fills our 2C opening. One knock was always his salary relative to Getzlaf and Perry, but I'm guessing that both guys will get new contracts above $6.6M unless the new CBA borks up UFA salaries somehow.

However, salaries in the OP proposal don't work for the Ducks. Stastny +Barrie/Gaunce is about $7.5M of salary vs. Ryan at $5.1M. Ducks would need to include Cogliano ($2.4M) to balance salaries, but then the Ducks fill one hole and create two with the trade. We need physical dmen, not more puck movers like Barrie. I think Gaunce may be a better fit.

Everyone wants Duchene based on his age/potential and salary, but understandably the Avs don't want to move him for similar reasons.

If the Ducks trade Ryan, then we wanted to add more depth (2C, Top 6 forward, pick/prospect), but I don't see how Stastny + another Avs Top 6 forward can work salary wise.

We don't want to trade Ryan, but assuming we had to (i.e., he privately requested a trade and Murray thinks he has to move him), then I would propose for discussion's sake:

Ryan+Cogliano for Stastny, Gaunce + 2013 1st

Chacal667 08-01-2012 06:20 PM

that's too much for bobby ryan.... the ducks fans believe that ryan is a god but he's just a good player. Comon, bobby ryan's value is not that high !...

Chacal667 08-01-2012 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drij (Post 53196975)
meh bobby ryan is overrated.

clearly !!!!!

Gliff 08-01-2012 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colorado Avalanche (Post 53196903)
Ryan is pretty overrated, If that package isn't enough. I'd say no from Colorado. People are selling Stastny too cheap these days.

Noone is saying the value is not there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericchurchavsfan (Post 53198299)
His cap hit is only around 1 mil (a little higher then that) more than ryan, who has said he doesn't want to be in anaheim, while stastny was also expressing displeasure with management after the johnson trade. duchene loves the avs and is the future of the franchise. he will NOT be traded

Wrong. He even came out after that article and said that he wants to stay in Anaheim and they will always be his first choice.

UnknownAvenger 08-01-2012 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emerald Duck (Post 53199369)
We don't want to trade Ryan, but assuming we had to (i.e., he privately requested a trade and Murray thinks he has to move him), then I would propose for discussion's sake:

Ryan+Cogliano for Stastny, Gaunce + 2013 1st

If we had to, I'd prefer:

Ryan+Cogliano for Stastny+McGinn.

I believe McGinn plays LW and showed (will prove this season IMO) he can be a dependable Top-6 guy. Of course, the Avs just extended him (so one reason less they would trade him).

Avs would still have a great top 6 in some combination of:

Duchene
O'Reilly
Landeskog
Ryan
Paranteau
Jones
Hejduk
Downie

While Anaheim's Top-6 can go with some combination of:

Getzlaf
Perry
Selanne
Stastny
McGinn
DSP
Palmieri


Despite all that, I think Ducks start the year with Holland/Bonino, though; and see how they do.


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