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piqued 08-02-2012 12:30 PM

[#13] Voting -- HFStars 2012 Top-20 Prospects -- [#14] Discussion
 
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pos.
country
acquired
round
change
% of vote
1
 ‏‏‏‏Jack Campbell
G
2010
1st
0
37.7
2
 ‏‏‏‏Jamie Oleksiak
D
2011
1st
2
48.0
3
 ‏‏‏‏Alex Chiasson
RW
2009
2nd
2
57.1
4
 ‏‏‏‏Radek Faksa
C
2012
1st
new
73.5
5
 ‏‏‏‏Brenden Dillon
D
2011
FA
7
43.9
6
 ‏‏‏‏Patrik Nemeth
D
2010
2nd
2
38.5
7
 ‏‏‏‏Cody Eakin
C
2012
TR
new
52.3
8
 ‏‏‏‏Reilly Smith
W
2009
3rd
1
34.0
9
 ‏‏‏‏Matt Fraser
LW
2010
FA
9
50.0
10
 ‏‏‏‏Scott Glennie
C/W
2009
1st
7
54.3
11
 ‏‏‏‏Matej Stransky
RW
2011
6th
10
50.0
12
 ‏‏‏‏Brett Ritchie
RW
2011
2nd
1
40.0

LatvianTwist 08-02-2012 12:35 PM

Winkler easily. Kid's a stud.

LatvianTwist 08-02-2012 12:38 PM

In all seriousness, Guptill. Could see him as a perfect compliment on the 3rd line to Eakin and Vincour in a couple years.

Bystrom next for me. His potential alone could've put him in the top 10, and I think had we known more about him, he'd probably be up there.

Then finally Molin. Not that he's not good or anything, just that everyone else is better.

BigG44 08-02-2012 01:02 PM

Guptill here.

Bystrom, Molin, and Vance next.

Chaos 08-02-2012 01:12 PM

Guptill, followed by Klingberg, Bystrom, and Molin.

Henderson33 08-02-2012 01:20 PM

Went with Bystrom, he seems to have all the tools to become a successful top 4 defenseman.

I think it's safe to say the next three will be Bystrom, Guptill, Molin. Not necessarily in that order.

txomisc 08-02-2012 01:23 PM

Guptill followed by Bystrom seems to be the common theme here and that is what i am choosing as well.

LatvianTwist 08-02-2012 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henderson33 (Post 53218759)
Went with Bystrom, he seems to have all the tools to become a successful top 4 defenseman.

I think it's safe to say the next three will be Bystrom, Guptill, Molin. Not necessarily in that order.

It's really gonna be a log jam in the future if he does. Daley, Goligoski, Larsen, Oleksiak, Nemeth, Dillon, and Bystrom could all be top 4 defensemen. Not counting on all 4 to hit that potential, but even still, it's tight.

BigG44 08-02-2012 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LatvianTwist (Post 53218895)
It's really gonna be a log jam in the future if he does. Daley, Goligoski, Larsen, Oleksiak, Nemeth, Dillon, and Bystrom could all be top 4 defensemen. Not counting on all 4 to hit that potential, but even still, it's tight.

If you play your cards right, teams tend to pay more via trade for a good defenseman so that could be a huge plus.

MetalGodAOD 08-02-2012 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LatvianTwist (Post 53218895)
It's really gonna be a log jam in the future if he does. Daley, Goligoski, Larsen, Oleksiak, Nemeth, Dillon, and Bystrom could all be top 4 defensemen. Not counting on all 4 to hit that potential, but even still, it's tight.

I'd be surprised if Daley is still here by the time Bystrom is ready.

Dave Karp 08-02-2012 01:59 PM

Guptill.

I have Molin, Bystrom and then Klingberg as my next 3.

aisforaaron83 08-02-2012 03:18 PM

Guptill. next are Molin, Bystrom, and Sceviour. Klingberg perhaps after that. I like some of his game, but his weaknesses are glaring, IMO.

Hull Fan 08-02-2012 03:43 PM

Guptill, Klingberg, Molin, Bystrom, Vance.

Guptill is too good to be this far down but at least I can stop voting for him now.

Ub the Bub 08-02-2012 03:46 PM

Actually, if Byström wins this I have Austin Smith next...

LatvianTwist 08-02-2012 03:53 PM

A. Smith should not be over Guptill.

Modo 08-02-2012 04:18 PM

I'm going to start voting for Besko. Haven't given up on him yet, even if it's unlikely he ever plays an NHL game for the Stars....

piqued 08-03-2012 12:18 AM

Pretty close race here.
Quote:

Originally Posted by UnholyPrince (Post 53219133)
I'd be surprised if Daley is still here by the time Bystrom is ready.

Why is that? You think he'll get traded before his contract is up?

LatvianTwist 08-03-2012 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnholyPrince (Post 53219133)
I'd be surprised if Daley is still here by the time Bystrom is ready.

There is absolutely no way we can say Bystrom is a guarantee already. Simply hasn't proven enough.

piqued 08-03-2012 12:33 AM

Don't think he's saying Bystrom is a guarantee or anything.

LatvianTwist 08-03-2012 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piqued (Post 53239355)
Don't think he's saying Bystrom is a guarantee or anything.

Not sure how else that quote could be interpreted. Implies when, not if. Or maybe I'm just reading it wrong.

Rune Forumwalker 08-03-2012 12:59 AM

Heh, I was gone for a couple of days and missed 2-3 polls. Looks decent enough. Going with Guptill, the most obvious choice at this time.

MetalGodAOD 08-03-2012 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piqued (Post 53238947)
Pretty close race here.

Why is that? You think he'll get traded before his contract is up?

Yea maybe. I think if our D-core pans out how management is expecting it, he won't have a spot.

Goligoski-Nemeth
Oleksiak-Larsen
Dillon-FA/Bystrom/Daley

I have a feeling Bystrom might be a longer term project, maybe not coming into the league until he's 22 or so. Which would coincide with the last year or two of Trevor's contract. If all 5 of the other spots are taken, I could see Daley being moved in the final year of his contract to make room for Bystrom in the top 6.

Or maybe Dillon/Oleksiak/Goose someone will be traded before then. Impossible to say 3-4 years down the line. Someone's going to get moved before Bystrom is NHL ready though I believe.

Quote:

Not sure how else that quote could be interpreted. Implies when, not if. Or maybe I'm just reading it wrong.
Nah Bystrom's definitely not a sure thing, didn't mean it like that. I was mostly agreeing with you about the logjam, and just saying I would see Trevor being moved if Bystrom actually becomes NHL ready. Assuming no other D-man is traded before then.

LatvianTwist 08-03-2012 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnholyPrince (Post 53240931)
Yea maybe. I think if our D-core pans out how management is expecting it, he won't have a spot.

Goligoski-Nemeth
Oleksiak-Larsen
Dillon-FA/Bystrom/Daley

I have a feeling Bystrom might be a longer term project, maybe not coming into the league until he's 22 or so. Which would coincide with the last year or two of Trevor's contract. If all 5 of the other spots are taken, I could see Daley being moved in the final year of his contract to make room for Bystrom in the top 6.

Or maybe Dillon/Oleksiak/Goose someone will be traded before then. Impossible to say 3-4 years down the line. Someone's going to get moved before Bystrom is NHL ready though I believe.



Nah Bystrom's definitely not a sure thing, didn't mean it like that. I was mostly agreeing with you about the logjam, and just saying I would see Trevor being moved if Bystrom actually becomes NHL ready. Assuming no other D-man is traded before then.

Ah, that makes more sense.

I'll just toss in my own take on the future D pairings:

Goligoski - Oleksiak

Oleksiak could end up being a Girardi type defenseman, or at the very least like Hal Gill. He's not gonna be paid to put up points, that's Goose's job (I see him rebounding and putting up ~40-45 points a season).

Nemeth - Larsen

Larsen seemed to play his best hockey with Fistric by his side. Nemeth, to me, is pretty much a bigger and better Fistric, one who won't look a spot out of place in the top 4. I think this pairing will end up as quite a dominant combo, with Larsen bringing out a bit of Nemeth's offense (nothing much, Daley's production at a max) while Nemeth brings out Larsen's physicality, which we saw when he was paired with Fistric.

Dillon - Bystrom/Klingberg

Same idea as the other two pairings. If I were setting the lineup, I'd have one offensive defender (Goose, Larsen, Bystrom) paired with a defensive defender (Oleksiak, Nemeth, Dillon (more of a two-way guy, though)), and I think that'd work out pretty well for the most part. On the PK, just put two of the defensive guys out, and vice versa on the PP.

In a perfect world, though, we trade Goligoski and Sinitsyn takes his place. :naughty:

BigG44 08-03-2012 08:43 AM

I'd say Goligoski's future is tied to the development of Philip Larsen, John Klingberg, and Ludwig Bystrom.

Those 3 are the most likely candidates to become scoring defensemen. If two them reach their potential it could push Goli out.

With Daley, I honestly think he could end up with another contract in Dallas. He'll never be a great, franchise D, but he seems like the kind of guy you can play with anyone.

I do think though that one of Daley or Goligoski will be gone within three years.

piqued 08-03-2012 10:51 AM

Too close to call this morning. Going to give it a little more time and see if someone pulls ahead by a few votes. If not we're going to need a tiebreaker.


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