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Milhouse40 08-07-2012 10:23 AM

Problem and Solution: Shoutoot
 
Change the coaching staff
Change the DG
Add some players, get rid of others

Still, we need to change what went wrong last year.

Shootout

12 losses last year in shootout
Good for the first place in the NHL

Habs players got 59 chances in shootout
Good for the second place in the NHL

Only 22% of them was successful
Good for the 26th place in the NHL

Habs got 78 points last years......add those 12 points and we're 2 points away from a playoff spot.

We've seen it all in the shoutoot last year....even Kaberle and Gomez.

IMO, the shootout should be an art....not a candy for the players that played well that night. We need to find 3 specialists and fast.

Therrien should practice the shootout as it were PK or PP.

I like Pacioretty, one of our best players. But last year they kept putting him in the shootout game after game. He had 12 chances and scores only twice. Even if he's one our best players, he sucked in shootout.

Who would you do to fix that problem?
Which players you would put every shootout?

Stastiscally speaking, last year Desharnais, Gionta and Bourque were our best shootout guy!!

Crimson Skorpion 08-07-2012 10:54 AM

Shoot-out drills during practice is one thing. Signing three Erik Christensens, who are virtually useless outside of taking penalty shots, is another.

I'd rather have a handful of players ready to go, have a few tricks up their sleeves and most importantly - know the tendencies of the goalie they are facing.

Then again, I'd rather have a team that is good enough to avoid shoot-outs, two dozen times a year.

caper8 08-07-2012 10:56 AM

So you think you could win every shootout? T

habs03 08-07-2012 10:58 AM

Early in the season Price was having a hard time as well in them. But With Gionta and Bourque who were not there for many of the shootouts, with them back and DD being money last year, we should be fine.

I'd go with this order everytime

DD
Gionta
Bourque

Roulin 08-07-2012 11:01 AM

I think there's a lot of wisdom in this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebinne4pres (Post 53349847)
IMO, the shootout should be an art....not a candy for the players that played well that night.

I'm of this opinion too. I think the shootout should be run like the PP and PK - a designated squad who have proven (in practices, at least) to have some success in this particular situation. Not based on hunches, and not as a reward for effort.

Le Tricolore 08-07-2012 11:16 AM

Eller should do a spinorama and fall on top of the goalie every time there's a shootout.

Myron Gaines* 08-07-2012 11:18 AM

No Gionta didn't help either

vokiel 08-07-2012 12:45 PM

How about the team works on not getting to the shootout?

Either win before or tank for the entire season.

Edit: If that doesn't work, lets just put Kaberle as 1st shooter all the time ok?

Takashi 08-07-2012 01:09 PM

Markov and Gio are back !

Jigger77 08-07-2012 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roulin (Post 53350919)
I think there's a lot of wisdom in this:



I'm of this opinion too. I think the shootout should be run like the PP and PK - a designated squad who have proven (in practices, at least) to have some success in this particular situation. Not based on hunches, and not as a reward for effort.

Normally wouldn't agree with rewarding players who coasted in a game, but I agree with this too. Get some specialists and stick with 'em.

Btw Colby Armstrong is 2 for 3 career in shootouts. Though I don't think he'd be one of my regulars or anything.

Milhouse40 08-07-2012 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caper8 (Post 53350751)
So you think you could win every shootout? T

No i don't think we can win every shootout.
But every year between the 6th and 10th place there's a difference of 4 to 8 points.

Habs lost more of these points that any other team.

Milhouse40 08-07-2012 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonSkorpion (Post 53350711)
Shoot-out drills during practice is one thing. Signing three Erik Christensens, who are virtually useless outside of taking penalty shots, is another.

I'd rather have a handful of players ready to go, have a few tricks up their sleeves and most importantly - know the tendencies of the goalie they are facing.

Then again, I'd rather have a team that is good enough to avoid shoot-outs, two dozen times a year.

Well, we see more and more shootout.

I wouldn't sign anybody just because they're good in shootout either.
But i would identify the best players in shootout, and try to make them even better.
I wouldn't change every single shootout like they did last year.

Seriously, they even tried Gomez :shakehead:help:

Fozz 08-07-2012 03:47 PM

Price struggled mightily in shootouts in the first half of the season. He needs to improve in that area for the team to succeed.

Goldthorpe 08-07-2012 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roulin (Post 53350919)
I'm of this opinion too. I think the shootout should be run like the PP and PK - a designated squad who have proven (in practices, at least) to have some success in this particular situation. Not based on hunches, and not as a reward for effort.

I agree that's how it should be handled.

We could even have a shootout coach! (or part-time coach - and honestly, why not if you're serious about it?)

24stanleycups* 08-07-2012 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jigger77 (Post 53358765)
Normally wouldn't agree with rewarding players who coasted in a game, but I agree with this too. Get some specialists and stick with 'em.

Btw Colby Armstrong is 2 for 3 career in shootouts. Though I don't think he'd be one of my regulars or anything.

Yah..the half clapper top cheddar. They said it in french on tsn when he signed with us. anybody know the french version?

Goldthorpe 08-07-2012 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 24stanleycups (Post 53361017)
Yah..the half clapper top cheddar. They said it in french on tsn when he signed with us. anybody know the french version?

It's "top tittie" :sarcasm:

DAChampion 08-07-2012 04:16 PM

Has anyone done a statistical analysis of the shootout to assess whether some teams are truly better than others and its not a crapshoot?

If you have one team that's 7/10 and another team that's 3/10 it doesn't prove anything. You can get that from chance. There are standard ways to measure if the deviations are greater than chance.

Where can I find the number of times each team went to a shootout and the number of times they won?

vokiel 08-07-2012 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TakiHaque (Post 53355553)
Markov and Gio are back !

For how long? :laugh:

Valois 08-07-2012 04:37 PM

You have a good point, but like, it was so fun to watch shootouts under Cunney when we were already out of the playoffs. You never knew what would happen!

Milhouse40 08-07-2012 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAChampion (Post 53361839)
Has anyone done a statistical analysis of the shootout to assess whether some teams are truly better than others and its not a crapshoot?

If you have one team that's 7/10 and another team that's 3/10 it doesn't prove anything. You can get that from chance. There are standard ways to measure if the deviations are greater than chance.

Where can I find the number of times each team went to a shootout and the number of times they won?

Nhl.com
Stats sections of teams

JGRB 08-07-2012 05:43 PM

Correct me if I am wrong but since the lockout the Habs have always been a .500 or better hockey club in the shootout? There may have have been another year in there besides this one where we we're under..

It's unfortunate but yet true. You need to identify who your most creative and dangerous players are in the shootout and *stick with them*. I love Pacioretty and Cole as much as the next guy, but these guys aren't danglers that are going to have high success rates in shootouts. If they are extra hot one night, sure.

We haven't had a dominate shootout specialist since Kovalev/Koivu.

m00ks 08-07-2012 05:55 PM

Shouldn't really come to a surprise to anyone that a team lacking skill does poorly at shootouts.

You'd have a hard time finding a team who will have a worse set of 3 shooters than what we can ice.

Dekar 08-07-2012 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JGRB (Post 53364439)
Correct me if I am wrong but since the lockout the Habs have always been a .500 or better hockey club in the shootout? There may have have been another year in there besides this one where we we're under..

It's unfortunate but yet true. You need to identify who your most creative and dangerous players are in the shootout and *stick with them*. I love Pacioretty and Cole as much as the next guy, but these guys aren't danglers that are going to have high success rates in shootouts. If they are extra hot one night, sure.

We haven't had a dominate shootout specialist since Kovalev/Koivu.

One of these things has no contract at the moment and could be had for cheap for just these sorts of situations...

peate 08-07-2012 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dekar (Post 53365455)
One of these things has no contract at the moment and could be had for cheap for just these sorts of situations...

Not again...:shakehead

Megaforce 08-07-2012 07:41 PM

Good point OP.

Typical summer thread with the brainless dregs taking over fast though with useless dismissive remarks.

The other element is that Price couldn`t stop anything on the shootout, they would all just shoot it under his blocker.

He got a bit better when he changed it up and started pulling other unpredictable stunts like poke checking and so forth.


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