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LadyStanley 08-07-2012 12:42 PM

Sports betting in New Jersey challenged in lawsuit (UPD: fed appeals ct denies)
 
http://www.cbssports.com/general/sto...ts-betting/rss

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The leagues say that a 1992 federal law, the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act, limits betting on collegiate and professional games to four states: Nevada, Delaware, Oregon and Montana. New Jersey was given a chance to become the fifth state, but declined to act during a window it was given in 1993-94.

In January, Gov. Chris Christie signed a law to allow sports betting at New Jersey's 12 casinos and four racetracks. In May, he said he would implement regulations without attempting to overturn the 1992 law. The regulations were published in July and are expected to become effective within the next two months.

Christie and legislative leaders have said they expected litigation challenging their betting plans. A spokesman for Christie had no immediate comment on the lawsuit.
Looking for more $$ for state coffers is probably why it was done.

cutchemist42 08-07-2012 01:08 PM

Are against it for the public perception because let's be real, betting DRIVES the NFL interest, it's why its most the efficient betting market in the world.

kook10 08-07-2012 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyStanley (Post 53354531)
http://www.cbssports.com/general/sto...ts-betting/rss



Looking for more $$ for state coffers is probably why it was done.


Anything to lower my property taxes...yeeesh.

Crease 08-07-2012 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cutchemist42 (Post 53355493)
Are against it for the public perception because let's be real, betting DRIVES the NFL interest, it's why its most the efficient betting market in the world.

Yep. In fact, there are several rules in the NFL rulebook strictly in place because of betting interests:

Example 1. Weekly Injury Report

Example 2. Requiring a team to kick the extra point at the end of regulation but not in OT.

cutchemist42 08-07-2012 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Crease (Post 53357761)
Yep. In fact, there are several rules in the NFL rulebook strictly in place because of betting interests:

Example 1. Weekly Injury Report

Example 2. Requiring a team to kick the extra point at the end of regulation but not in OT.

Had no clue, thanks. Thats really interesting to know.

No Fun Shogun 08-07-2012 03:39 PM

No surprise. All five of those organizations have been adamantly opposed to legal sports gambling, and the expansion of it, for decades.

StoneColdFlower* 08-07-2012 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by No Fun Shogun (Post 53360731)
No surprise. All five of those organizations have been adamantly opposed to legal sports gambling, and the expansion of it, for decades.

Kind of sad that big business thinks they have the right to subordinate civil liberties to their own parochial interests. Reminds me of those Nazis in Vegas and on the tribal lands who don't like Americans playing online poker and team up with the religious right to stop them.

Colin226 08-07-2012 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kook10 (Post 53356609)
Anything to lower my property taxes...yeeesh.

Yeah seriously.. Man I would love to head down to AC and throw $100 on the Devils, or allow it at the Meadowlands Race Track too and I can do it on my way to games

Mr V 08-07-2012 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kook10 (Post 53356609)
Anything to lower my property taxes...yeeesh.

More likely to make politicians lives easier. Not yours.

madhi19 08-08-2012 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by No Fun Shogun (Post 53360731)
No surprise. All five of those organizations have been adamantly opposed to legal sports gambling, and the expansion of it, for decades.

Actually they just want a cut. If the casinos gave them a taste they jump on the legalisation bandwagon immediately.

puckyeah 08-08-2012 05:29 AM

Tremendously hypocritical behavior by the sports leagues, especially by the NFL.

Is there anyone on the face of the earth that doesnt understand that betting drives the NFL's massive popularity (not to mention fantasy leagues that also have money riding on them)?

No Fun Shogun 08-08-2012 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by madhi19 (Post 53376235)
Actually they just want a cut. If the casinos gave them a taste they jump on the legalisation bandwagon immediately.

Well sure, but that ain't happening.

Most major sports leagues would allow just about anything if they got a cut of the action.

Fish on The Sand 08-08-2012 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Crease (Post 53357761)
Yep. In fact, there are several rules in the NFL rulebook strictly in place because of betting interests:

Example 1. Weekly Injury Report

Example 2. Requiring a team to kick the extra point at the end of regulation but not in OT.

I didn't realize that rule 2 was because of betting. I just assumed it was because the was over as soon as points were up.

castle 08-08-2012 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish on The Sand (Post 53385971)
I didn't realize that rule 2 was because of betting. I just assumed it was because the was over as soon as points were up.

that's true in both cases though. the regulation time is about a TD with no time remaining in the 4th quarter. there is no need for the extra point attempt to determine the outcome. but it can affect the point spread.

it would be akin to baseball insisting that you get all 3 outs in the bottom of the 9th when the home team is already winning. why? it's already over.

Grudy0 08-08-2012 04:25 PM

Team A up 28-21 with :01 left...

Team A scores a touchdown with no time left on the clock.

That's why the rule had always been that the try (or two-point conversion) had to be attempted. In overtime, first team that scores wins, so that is the end of the game.

That has less to do with the point spread than anyone thinks.

LadyStanley 01-22-2013 06:42 PM

http://www.app.com/viewart/20130122/...ts-betting-law

US Department of Justice joining in.
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The U.S. Department of Justice filed notice Tuesday that it is joining a lawsuit by sports leagues and the NCAA to stop the state from allowing sports gambling, setting the stage for a fight next month over the constitutionality of a 21-year-old federal statute.

Tuesday’s filing was expected after a federal judge last month declined New Jersey’s motion to dismiss the lawsuit filed by the NFL, the NHL, the NBA, Major League Baseball and the NCAA.
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Now, the focus will turn to the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act, a 1992 statute that prohibited sports gambling in all but four states: Nevada, where bettors can gamble on games individually; and Oregon, Montana and Delaware, which were allowed to offer multi-game parlay betting.

Dado 01-22-2013 11:13 PM

I can't see any possible way the Supremes would hold up a law that deprives 46 states of a right given to 4 states.

I'm curious why DoJ jumped on this - what's in it for them? Where's the payoff?

LadyStanley 01-22-2013 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dado (Post 58140535)
I can't see any possible way the Supremes would hold up a law that deprives 46 states of a right given to 4 states.

I'm curious why DoJ jumped on this - what's in it for them? Where's the payoff?

Yeah, the end game is SCOTUS.

It's getting into "federal" rights vs "states" rights, me thinks. Some of the discussions that divided folks back in the 1700s!!

Will have a big impact, regardless of the final outcome.... either overturning law or enforcing different rights for states by federal authorities. (Might mean that states don't have to give their water to other states, etc., some things that are "dictated" by federal entities.)

Books will be written. (Will Dado have his tome on the Phoenix situation done so he'll need a new project? :sarcasm:)

Ducks DVM 01-23-2013 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by castle (Post 53389009)
that's true in both cases though. the regulation time is about a TD with no time remaining in the 4th quarter. there is no need for the extra point attempt to determine the outcome. but it can affect the point spread.

it would be akin to baseball insisting that you get all 3 outs in the bottom of the 9th when the home team is already winning. why? it's already over.

It affects the points spread just as much in overtime as it does at the end of the 4th quarter. It would be the same for both if it was solely for betting purposes.

kdb209 01-23-2013 12:36 AM

A UNLV Law School journal article on the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act (PASPA) - the 1992 federal law which limited/granfathered in legal sports bettings to those 4 states:

THE PROFESSIONAL AND AMATEUR
SPORTS PROTECTION ACT (PASPA):
A BAD BET FOR THE STATES

http://scholars.law.unlv.edu/cgi/vie...26&context=glj

Forbes piece on the suit in New Jersey:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenhe...st-new-jersey/

Quote:

Constitutionality Of Sports Betting Prohibition At Issue In NCAA And Professional Leagues' Lawsuit Against New Jersey

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This is not the first time that the NCAA, MLB, NFL, NBA and NHL have teamed up against the governor of a state who wished to implement a sports betting scheme. In 2009, those parties filed suit against the Governor of Delaware based, in part, on a claim that their planned sports betting scheme violated PASPA. NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell justified the litigation by claiming that the NFL must provide honest athletic contests and have the American public perceive all games as honest. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit found that PASPA clearly limited what types of sports bets Delaware was permitted to offer, but it did not make a ruling on the constitutionality of PASPA, which will certainly be tested in the new case against New Jersey.

Crease 03-01-2013 07:33 AM

OT: New Jersey Sports Gambling Law Blocked
 
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A federal judge in New Jersey barred a law that would legalize sports gambling in the state, siding with sports organizations, including the National Collegiate Athletic Association and the National Football League, which sued to block the legislation from taking effect.
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Sports organizations including the NCAA, NFL, National Basketball Association, National Hockey League and Major League Baseball, along with the U.S. government, argued that the measure would undermine the integrity of professional sports, and should be barred under a 1992 federal law requiring states to restrict sports betting. New Jersey argued that the federal law was unconstitutional.
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Legalized sports gambling could generate $1 billion in bets and as much as $100 million in new annual revenue for the state in its first year, William J. Pascrell III, a lead lobbyist for the measure, said in an earlier interview.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...tting-bid.html

A win or loss for NHL ratings?

IceAce 03-01-2013 08:42 AM

Hockey doesnt get a lot of betting action to begin with. Not sure there's much of any impact here. If you really want to bet on hockey, you're already doing it online anyway.

Would be interesting though if it did in fact get legalized and you have the situation of a state with legal sports betting that now has 3 pro sports teams playing in its borders. That was always one of the knocks on my Las Vegas would never get a pro sports franchise.

patnyrnyg 03-01-2013 08:51 AM

I doubt it has much impact on the NHL ratings or any other league for that matter.

cutchemist42 03-01-2013 09:08 AM

IMO, people pretty much know about the sites like betfair, Pinnacle, 5Dimes already. People can bet easily already right now.

Colin226 03-01-2013 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cutchemist42 (Post 60727679)
IMO, people pretty much know about the sites like betfair, Pinnacle, 5Dimes already. People can bet easily already right now.

It's such a joke.. If you want to bet on sports, you can easily do it.. I know several bookies but usually just gamble between my buddies.. They are kidding themselves if they think legalizing it would cause a huge increase that would lead to issues.. If you wanna do it, you're already doing it


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