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The Hendog 08-09-2012 01:17 PM

Report: Red wings talking to flames about bouwmeester
 
It refuses to die

Flames need to take the Red Wings to the cleaners to make this trade in my opinion

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=402732

Janks 08-09-2012 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Hendog (Post 53419385)
It refuses to die

Flames need to take the Red Wings to the cleaners to make this trade in my opinion

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=402732

They're using the Mlive source. Wasn't this the same source who was confirmed as ********?

The Hendog 08-09-2012 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikael Backlund (Post 53419661)
They're using the Mlive source. Wasn't this the same source who was confirmed as ********?

Yeah I just saw that to
It is all just a big circle back to this unreliable source - got me all excited for nothing to see it on TSN

kirant 08-09-2012 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikael Backlund (Post 53419661)
They're using the Mlive source. Wasn't this the same source who was confirmed as ********?

According to some of my Red Wings friends, the writer listed is apparently reasonably accurate, have actual sources, and generally won't speak before getting tangible information.

EDIT - Stratch that. The original source apparently leads back to thefanblogger.

Johnny Hoxville 08-09-2012 02:41 PM

The thing that I like in the MLive article is that talks about Philly potentially making a big pitch for him. That will definitely drive up his asking price.

Again, this would be my offer. Jbo, Stajan, Babs for Filppula and Quincey.

That deal could actually workout great for the Wings. Watch Bouwmeester return to Allstar form there and Babs get 10+ PP goals.

tfong 08-09-2012 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MVW (Post 53423245)
The thing that I like in the MLive article is that talks about Philly potentially making a big pitch for him. That will definitely drive up his asking price.

Again, this would be my offer. Jbo, Stajan, Babs for Filppula and Quincey.

That deal could actually workout great for the Wings. Watch Bouwmeester return to Allstar form there and Babs get 10+ PP goals.

Staj and babs not needed unless they are dumps in which case why are we giving Quincey too?

Skobel24 08-09-2012 02:55 PM

Honestly, I want to see how Bouw does under Hartley.

Johnny Hoxville 08-09-2012 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tfong (Post 53423809)
Staj and babs not needed unless they are dumps in which case why are we giving Quincey too?

Actually, they are not dumps. And I disagree I think Det could use both players. They have alot of question marks throughout their lineup and those players would fill lots of holes.

MarkGio 08-09-2012 03:34 PM

I'm stuck between MVW's proposal and Skobel's statement. I've never been one to put Bouwmeester on the block, especially now that Sutter is gone. If I wanted to trade Jbow, I would trade Bouwmeester to Philly moreso than I would to Detroit. Philly has better trade options.

haQ Loob 08-09-2012 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Skobel24 (Post 53423983)
Honestly, I want to see how Bouw does under Hartley.

Me too. But I'm nervous that we'll have to see how he does in some Swiss League during a lockout instead.

InfinityIggy 08-09-2012 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkGio (Post 53425817)
I'm stuck between MVW's proposal and Skobel's statement. I've never been one to put Bouwmeester on the block, especially now that Sutter is gone. If I wanted to trade Jbow, I would trade Bouwmeester to Philly moreso than I would to Detroit. Philly has better trade options.

Agree with this for sure.

tfong 08-09-2012 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MVW (Post 53424933)
Actually, they are not dumps. And I disagree I think Det could use both players. They have alot of question marks throughout their lineup and those players would fill lots of holes.

Where exactly does Stajan fit? Definitely not at center since we have Dats, Z, and Helm as the top 3. Abby is the 4th with Emmerton and he is a big body that is quick and plays hard and physical Moreso than a faceoff specialist but we know Stajs isn't good in a checking role.

Where exactly is the hole stag can fill that can't be filled internally?

Babs maybe he can fight for a 5/6 spot do that's ok I can see it there but this does not warrant losing Quincey for Babs and a player that they can't fit into a top six and is not efficient on a bottom six.

MarkGio 08-09-2012 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tfong (Post 53426511)
Where exactly does Stajan fit? Definitely not at center since we have Dats, Z, and Helm as the top 3. Abby is the 4th with Emmerton and he is a big body that is quick and plays hard and physical Moreso than a faceoff specialist but we know Stajs isn't good in a checking role.

Where exactly is the hole stag can fill that can't be filled internally?

Babs maybe he can fight for a 5/6 spot do that's ok I can see it there but this does not warrant losing Quincey for Babs and a player that they can't fit into a top six and is not efficient on a bottom six.

Z can play wing, thereby distributing the top 6 talent more effectively, while Babchuck can provide PP quarter backing on the second unit. Besides White and Kronwall, who can blast the puck from the blueline better than Babs?

InfinityIggy 08-09-2012 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tfong (Post 53426511)
Where exactly does Stajan fit? Definitely not at center since we have Dats, Z, and Helm as the top 3. Abby is the 4th with Emmerton and he is a big body that is quick and plays hard and physical Moreso than a faceoff specialist but we know Stajs isn't good in a checking role.

Where exactly is the hole stag can fill that can't be filled internally?

Babs maybe he can fight for a 5/6 spot do that's ok I can see it there but this does not warrant losing Quincey for Babs and a player that they can't fit into a top six and is not efficient on a bottom six.

Just accept the fact that Bouwmeester is going to Detroit with the rest of our crap for your best young players. Stop lying to yourself and accept the truth :sarcasm:

flamer4life 08-09-2012 04:42 PM

according to Eklund the following teams are interested in J. Bo....
St. Louis, NJ, Philly, and Phoenix are also possible destinations for Jay Bo's services.

What would be a good deal from Phoenix

Heres the link

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklun...o-else/1/46016

TherapyforGlencross 08-09-2012 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by flamer4life (Post 53428657)
according to Eklund the following teams are interested in J. Bo....
St. Louis, NJ, Philly, and Phoenix are also possible destinations for Jay Bo's services.

What would be a good deal from Phoenix

Eklund isn't a credible source.


I really hope JBo stays, let's see what Hartley does with him.

flamer4life 08-09-2012 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamesrule (Post 53428711)
Eklund isn't a credible source.


I really hope JBo stays, let's see what Hartley does with him.

Would love to see him stay...just intrigued more so then anything

Johnny Hoxville 08-09-2012 08:48 PM

@ Tfong, you think Helm and Abelkader are better options than Stajan? Those are your classic 3rd liners, Stajan has shown he can put up 40-50pts. Detroit is notorious for taking guys like Stajan, Babchuck (and Jbo for that matter) and making them play to their potential (ie. White, Bert, Cleary and on and on). I just think a team like the Wings that is a perennial contender cannot afford to rely on so many question marks with inexperience.

Worst case, Babs is off the books at the end of the year and Stajan the following. Very low risk for them, on the other side of the coin they may lose Filppula anyways, so its pretty even both ways.

GoFlames 08-09-2012 10:01 PM

IF there is a season I want JB to stay full stop. He eats minutes better than really anyone else in the NHL why get rid of that? It has always bewildered me.

tmurfin 08-09-2012 10:12 PM

Unless we get a stellar deal, I say Feaster keeps him.. He knows Hartleys system could help Bouwmeester a lot, I doubt he trades him for scraps without testing it out first.

GoFlames 08-09-2012 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tmurfin (Post 53438683)
Unless we get a stellar deal, I say Feaster keeps him.. He knows Hartleys system could help Bouwmeester a lot, I doubt he trades him for scraps without testing it out first.

Well said. IF the offer is huge and the new D can eat the missing minutes then totally but can Ericcson replace his minutes? Gio always puts in about 5 mins less per game... will see but if Feaster can pull it off it would be a great deal and Filppula would be fantastic... FACEOFFS especially. Things are looking better than in mid April.

Johnny Hoxville 08-09-2012 10:23 PM

If we can squeeze Filps and KQ, then I'm all for it!! Otherwise let's keep him and see what he can do under Hartley.

Skobel24 08-09-2012 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MVW (Post 53439039)
If we can squeeze Filps and KQ, then I'm all for it!! Otherwise let's keep him and see what he can do under Hartley.

I'd rather keep Bouw honestly. We don't need another 2nd/3rd line winger, and our D is already questionable. Quincey can't eat the minutes Bouw does.

Johnny Hoxville 08-09-2012 11:04 PM

I know, I'm fine to keep him as well. But look at this lineup:

Tangs Cammy Iggy
Cervenka Filppula Hudler
Baertschi Backlund Glencross
Stempniak Jones/Horak Comeau

Quincey Wideman
Gio Brodie
Sarich Butler

I'm being honest when I say this, I don't see a big difference between that lineup and Vancouvers. Our 2nd line is better, our 3rd and 4th are also. Our defence is very well balanced and we can share the minutes by committee.

Skobel24 08-09-2012 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MVW (Post 53440489)
I know, I'm fine to keep him as well. But look at this lineup:

Tangs Cammy Iggy
Cervenka Filppula Hudler
Baertschi Backlund Glencross
Stempniak Jones/Horak Comeau

Quincey Wideman
Gio Brodie
Sarich Butler

I'm being honest when I say this, I don't see a big difference between that lineup and Vancouvers. Our 2nd line is better, our 3rd and 4th are also. Our defence is very well balanced and we can share the minutes by committee.

You are either overrating our offense, or underrating theirs. Even with Filp, we don't compare. While we have depth, we don't have the same quality as them.


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