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I Hate Chris Butler 08-09-2012 11:43 PM

If there is a lock out, what would you prefer for CGY?
 
Let's say there is a lock out which is looking more likely by the day, would you as a Flames fan prefer a full season or a shortened season? Assuming the NHL continues using the draft lottery like in 2005, the Flames would have one of the better shots at getting 1st overall; not the best, but decent enough. In the event of a shortened season, the Flames would have less games to piss away late in the season and might have a decent chance at the playoffs if they go on their usual December hot streak.

Of course, it's not as cut and dry as this but it's just a ballpark estimate as to how the best case scenarios would go for 2012 - 2013. What's your preference?

nogger 08-09-2012 11:47 PM

I'd sooner there be a season 10 times out of 10.

RA9 08-09-2012 11:58 PM

Hockey is better than no hockey, so yeah for the flames a shortened season.

SmellOfVictory 08-10-2012 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by GirouxFlamesFan (Post 53441847)
Hockey is better than no hockey, so yeah for the flames a shortened season.

Yeah, as much as I'd like the Flames to be able to pick Big Mac, I prefer not to sacrifice months of entertaining hockey in order to do so (although the Heat would be something to watch, I should think).

InfinityIggy 08-10-2012 10:11 AM

Clicked the wrong button. I want as much hockey as possible.

Stewie Griffin 08-10-2012 10:19 AM

Having no season would kill the NHL in the States - just when it's starting to gain some momentum again. If a season is lost, I know enough casual fans in Canada who will basically say "F--- this!", and spend their time / money elsewhere when the NHL comes back.

Whether the players get 45% or 57%, it won't matter - if we lose a season (or even part of a season) the NHL will be lucky to get a TV contract with anyone south of the border, and HRR will end up dropping to 2005 levels.

The worst part of this is the NHLPA knows this, and based off Bettman's comments they may well play hardball - and hold the season ransom as a result.

If ANOTHER season is lost under Bettman's watch, I will be flabbergasted if he remains employed longer than 12 months...

/rant

Back on topic, the way the Flames have started the last few seasons, a shortened season will mean we have a high draft pick after starting 7-13-6 for the first half... A cancelled season would suck major bum, but yeah it would have a silver lining of the chance of a higher draft pick - however, keep in mind that Calgary had three balls in the lotto last time it happened, and we picked pretty low.

So my preference is for the business **** to be sorted out late September so we can have a full season.

DBU 08-10-2012 11:01 AM

Hockey > no hockey. That's not even a question.

And just because I'm uneducated, assuming they use the same lottery system they used in 2005, how do they decide how many balls each team gets?

InfinityIggy 08-10-2012 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Duck Sauce (Post 53450355)
Hockey > no hockey. That's not even a question.

And just because I'm uneducated, assuming they use the same lottery system they used in 2005, how do they decide how many balls each team gets?

Doesn't matter. Phoenix would win the lottery to prevent them from moving.

See: Pittsburgh

No im not kidding.

SmellOfVictory 08-10-2012 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Duck Sauce (Post 53450355)
Hockey > no hockey. That's not even a question.

And just because I'm uneducated, assuming they use the same lottery system they used in 2005, how do they decide how many balls each team gets?

IIRC: Number of playoff appearances in the past 3 seasons, number of first overall picks in the past 3 seasons. There may have been one other consideration as well, but those are the two major ones.

Basically a perfect storm for the Flames, except the Oilers with their single ball would win it anyway.

AfricanHerbsman 08-10-2012 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by nogger (Post 53441587)
I'd sooner there be a season 10 times out of 10.

12 times out of 10

Stewie Griffin 08-10-2012 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Duck Sauce (Post 53450355)
Hockey > no hockey. That's not even a question.

And just because I'm uneducated, assuming they use the same lottery system they used in 2005, how do they decide how many balls each team gets?

From what I found on the interweb:

Quote:

Each team begins with three balls in the lottery barrel. For every playoff appearance in the last three years or No. 1 overall pick over the last four years, a team loses one ball.
So Calgary would have three balls in the draft lottery under that scenario, and Phoenix would have only one, yet they would still win it. :sarcasm:

DBU 08-10-2012 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie Griffin (Post 53453943)
From what I found on the interweb:



So Calgary would have three balls in the draft lottery under that scenario, and Phoenix would have only one, yet they would still win it. :sarcasm:

Does that mean that Edmonton would have 0 balls then? :sarcasm:

MarkGio 08-10-2012 01:52 PM

This poll seems weird to me. Obviously I want a full season and obviously I don't want the Flames to piss away ANY games. If there was a half season, I still want games won. I would only want the first overall in legit fashion, and not because of a season loss.

Stewie Griffin 08-10-2012 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Duck Sauce (Post 53455113)
Does that mean that Edmonton would have 0 balls then? :sarcasm:

Yes.

But they would still have one go in the bag.

InfinityIggy 08-10-2012 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie Griffin (Post 53458325)
Yes.

But they would still have one go in the bag.

They would also still pick before Columbus.

TherapyforGlencross 08-10-2012 03:56 PM

Would rather have hockey than no hockey.

Stewie Griffin 08-10-2012 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkGio (Post 53456017)
This poll seems weird to me. Obviously I want a full season and obviously I don't want the Flames to piss away ANY games. If there was a half season, I still want games won. I would only want the first overall in legit fashion, and not because of a season loss.

Legit schmegit... I'd rather have the first overall pick because of a random draw than tanking an entire season.

Trae 08-10-2012 09:38 PM

The only way I'd want no hockey is if we had more 1st round picks next season considering we'd already have three chances at 1st overall, or a top 5 pick for that matter. Could you imagine if we had another one or two 1sts and by some magic got more than one top 10/top 5 pick?

Crispy Crust 08-11-2012 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Duck Sauce (Post 53450355)
Hockey > no hockey. That's not even a question.

And just because I'm uneducated, assuming they use the same lottery system they used in 2005, how do they decide how many balls each team gets?

http://www.dirtydangle.com/2012/07/w...tery-look.html

That was the weighted lottery system used back in 2005 after the lockout. Calgary along with 6 other teams would have a 6% shot at Nathan MacKinnon which isn't really great. Also, two of the four teams that had 3 balls in the lottery in 2005 didn't even stay in the top 10.

MarkGio 08-11-2012 05:26 PM

Does anyone want to guess what the NHLPA will counter with on Tuesday? I'll say that they'll want something like the following:

60% share

2 year entry level contracts

No maximum contract lenghts

shortened schedule of 60 games within the same timespan (October to April)

Increased cap floor

2 million league minimum salary

More games within the division

Trae 08-11-2012 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkGio (Post 53488857)
Does anyone want to guess what the NHLPA will counter with on Tuesday? I'll say that they'll want something like the following:

60% share

2 year entry level contracts

No maximum contract lenghts

shortened schedule of 60 games within the same timespan (October to April)

Increased cap floor

2 million league minimum salary

More games within the division

That's awfully aggressive. I don't think it will be that unreasonable.

MarkGio 08-11-2012 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Trae (Post 53489443)
That's awfully aggressive. I don't think it will be that unreasonable.

The owners came out with an agressive offer right away, so I imagine the players will likely to do the same, and it's justified really. the players will want to make it public as to how far apart the owners and players are. Plus the players already feel like they gave up a lot during the last CBA, and they'll likely try to buy time so they can go over the audit docs.

Bettman is saying that they're not going to extend the current CBA because they want a new contract before the players go over the documents with a microscope. I think it's a bluff that the NHLPA will call them on. With billions of dollars in extra revenue and a record setting playoff audience, the owners have nothing to complain about.

Money Baer 08-11-2012 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkGio (Post 53488857)
Does anyone want to guess what the NHLPA will counter with on Tuesday? I'll say that they'll want something like the following:

60% share

2 year entry level contracts

No maximum contract lenghts

shortened schedule of 60 games within the same timespan (October to April)

Increased cap floor

2 million league minimum salary

More games within the division


50 goal seasons would be all but gone. maybe 2-3 every 10 years?

Devilspuppet666 08-11-2012 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkGio (Post 53488857)
Does anyone want to guess what the NHLPA will counter with on Tuesday? I'll say that they'll want something like the following:

60% share

2 year entry level contracts

No maximum contract lenghts

shortened schedule of 60 games within the same timespan (October to April)

Increased cap floor

2 million league minimum salary

More games within the division

i dont think it will be less than 82, im kinda think 84 games

MarkGio 08-12-2012 12:21 AM

I didn't say the league would accept such a counter offer, I just figured the players would request it. Obviously they want less travel time and work for the same amount of money.


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