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Beacon 08-10-2012 12:12 AM

Rangers Prospect Poll: #17
 
Sam Noreau won round 16 and Jason Missiaen became the third straight goalie to be added to the poll.

Don't forget to write who should be added to the poll.


TOP PROSPECTS

1. LW Chris Kreider
2. LW Carl Hagelin
3. C J.T. Miller
4. D Dylan McIlrath
5. RW Christian Thomas


SECOND TIER

6. RW Jesper Fast
7. D Brady Skjei
8. C Michael St. Croix
9. C Andrew Yogan
10. C Oscar Lindberg
11. C Steven Fogarty
12. C Cristoval Nieves
13. LW Marek Hrivik
14. RW Shane McColgan
15. D Calle Andersson


PROJECTS & SUSPECTS

16. D Samuel Noreau


Samuel Noreau
Defense
Born Jan 31 1993 -- Montreal, PQ
Height 6.05 -- Weight 223 -- Shoots R

2011-12 Baie-Comeau Drakkar QMJHL 58 5 12 17 92

http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/117...0A760B0D811297

Beacon 08-10-2012 12:14 AM

Voted for Thomas Spelling because it looks like he will be an 18 year old in the SEL, which would be a huge achievement.

Add Kyle Jean. He's big and has decent hands for a big guy. He might become a decent bottom-6 guy.

darko 08-10-2012 12:16 AM

Stajcer, add Jean I guess.

mrjimmyg89 08-10-2012 12:50 AM

Spelling

Add Jean

eco's bones 08-10-2012 05:55 AM

Stajcer. Parlett.

Beacon 08-10-2012 08:04 AM

This will be a close round. A lot of possible choices, and probably not a lot of votes.

NYR Viper 08-10-2012 08:10 AM

I went Bourque. If he can stay healthy he has the speed and tenacity to be a lower line player.

silverfish 08-10-2012 09:03 AM

Bourque add Parlett

BrooklynRangersFan 08-10-2012 09:05 AM

Spelling. Add Jean.

Rangers Fail 08-10-2012 09:39 AM

Spelling. Add Hobbs.

nyr2k2 08-10-2012 09:44 AM

Scott Stajcer. Add Blake Parlett.

Jxmarts 08-10-2012 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henriks Broadway Hat (Post 53448025)
Spelling. Add Hobbs.

Hobbs completed his 4 years of college & was not signed. I don't know if he'll be invited for a tryout, but he's an unrestricted free agent right now. I would think players the Rangers thought worthy of signing like Jean or Parlett would be considered more valuable.

Stepan Glass 08-10-2012 10:02 AM

Spelling, add Jean

Jxmarts 08-10-2012 10:11 AM

Spelling. He's intriguinging because he's shown marked improvement every year. It'll be interesting to see what he does at the next level.

I'm surprised Stajcer is getting more love than Missiaen. Missiaen actually had a pretty good year in the ECHL as a pro, while Stajcer has not been able to hold down a starting job in junior the last 2 years. Talbot is older, and he'll probably be the Rangers emergency call up & then move on next year as a minor league free agent (like Chad Johnson).

I would not totally dismiss Ceresnak. He has ideal size, and he had the 2nd best +/- rating from the regulars on his junior team. (Andrew Yogan was first.) You can't judge a defensive defanseman from his statsheet, but I haven't heard of anything that tells me he's not a prospect.

I don't think there's any hope for Ryan Bourque. He's not half the player his brother Chris was at his age, and Chris did not have concussion issues. Yet, Chris has never been more than a career minor leaguer.

Add Jean.

nyr2k2 08-10-2012 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jxmarts (Post 53448911)
Spelling. He's intriguinging because he's shown marked improvement every year. It'll be interesting to see what he does at the next level.

I'm surprised Stajcer is getting more love than Missiaen. Missiaen actually had a pretty good year in the ECHL as a pro, while Stajcer has not been able to hold down a starting job in junior the last 2 years. Talbot is older, and he'll probably be the Rangers emergency call up & then move on next year as a minor league free agent (like Chad Johnson).

I would not totally dismiss Ceresnak. He has ideal size, and he had the 2nd best +/- rating from the regulars on his junior team. (Andrew Yogan was first.) You can't judge a defensive defanseman from his statsheet, but I haven't heard of anything that tells me he's not a prospect.

I don't think there's any hope for Ryan Bourque. He's not half the player his brother Chris was at his age, and Chris did not have concussion issues. Yet, Chris has never been more than a career minor leaguer.

Add Jean.

On Ceresnak, here's a scouting report written just recently:

Quote:

Adam: Peter Ceresnak's footwork was absolutely brutal when Rangers fans saw him at Traverse City. How far along has he come in that regard?

Brock:
Ceresnak still isn't a terrific skater. He's a pretty basic player. Definitely not flashy. He is relatively effective defensively though, but could stand to be more physical and use his size. At the OHL level, his skating doesn't hurt him a lot because he doesn't take a lot of chances with the puck, or in the defensive end. He's definitely a positional defender. But at the next level, the speed of the game would definitely eat him up if he doesn't make improvements in his mobility (and puck skill in his own end).

Adam: How well does he use his size?

Brock:
Not that well. He's not a consistently physical guy, which is disappointing considering the size advantage he has. As I said, he's more of a positional defender who's happy using his stick off the rush and in the corners. In order to take that next step as a stay at home guy, he'll definitely need to become more aggressive, as his offensive game isn't strong enough to carry him forward.
http://www.nyrangersblog.com/2012-ar...ock-otten.html

That pretty much echoes what I read throughout the year. He's a guy with good size, but he doesn't do anything particularly well. The more I think about it, the more I'd be inclined to take a guy like Blake Parlett, who has at least performed to some degree at the professional level. I don't know, I just don't see much of anything in Ceresnak. It's like he's a wussy Dan Maggio.

nyr2k2 08-10-2012 11:55 AM

From what I know, these are the guys left to potentially be added:

Steve Delisle
Kyle Jean
Randy McNaught
Jyri Niemi
Mikhail Pashnin
Blake Parlett
Jason Wilson

Technically, since he signed at age 22 and has only 52 NHL games, Zuccarello should have another year of prospect eligibility I think.

Net Front Presence 08-10-2012 01:02 PM

Stajcer. Add Parlett.

Edge 08-10-2012 01:41 PM

Spelling based on the fact that's advancing at a faster pace than some of the other choices on this list.

Borque is a real question mark as a prospect at this point.

Ceresnak does not impress me at all. Never has. Not one time have I seen him and said "I can see this kid making it."

Joey Bones 08-11-2012 12:16 AM

Bourque, can't believe that he is still there. Add Niemi

bernmeister 08-11-2012 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beacon (Post 53442145)
Voted for Thomas Spelling because it looks like he will be an 18 year old in the SEL, which would be a huge achievement.

Add Kyle Jean. He's big and has decent hands for a big guy. He might become a decent bottom-6 guy.

This, except voted for Ceresnak.
Just IMO, but think Noreau Ceresnak + Spelling, while not locks, are more second tier.

Talbot and Kyle Jean look interesting, but we are starting to scrape the barrel.

Edge 08-11-2012 01:25 AM

I don't think any of these guys are second tier right now.

At this point it's Spelling, Bourque and Messiaen for me to round out the top 20.

I also think the second tier is way too big and generous.

The gap between Skjei and Andersson is insanely huge. The gap between Noreau and Andersson is tiny. The groupings need a serious revamp here.

BKBlackRanger 08-11-2012 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrjimmyg89 (Post 53442799)
Spelling

Add Jean

you spelled it right

Jxmarts 08-11-2012 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyr2k2 (Post 53451599)
On Ceresnak, here's a scouting report written just recently:



http://www.nyrangersblog.com/2012-ar...ock-otten.html

That pretty much echoes what I read throughout the year. He's a guy with good size, but he doesn't do anything particularly well. The more I think about it, the more I'd be inclined to take a guy like Blake Parlett, who has at least performed to some degree at the professional level. I don't know, I just don't see much of anything in Ceresnak. It's like he's a wussy Dan Maggio.


Thanks... I didn't vote for Ceresnak. I just said that I wasn't dismissing him until I saw more of him. We're scraping the bottom of the barrel at this point, so as long as a prospect hasn't completely flatlined, I try to hold out hope. But that scouting report doesn't sound positive.

Jxmarts 08-11-2012 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey Bones (Post 53474129)
Bourque, can't believe that he is still there. Add Niemi

Would we be as shocked over any other 5'9" 164 lb. forward who scored 6 goals & 14 points in 69 AHL games and has a history of concussions, if his name wasn't Bourque? He's obviously never going to be a top 6 forward in the NHL, and does anybody seriously believe he has the tools to be a grinder or defensive stalwart on the bottom 6?

mrjimmyg89 08-11-2012 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jxmarts (Post 53448911)
I'm surprised Stajcer is getting more love than Missiaen. Missiaen actually had a pretty good year in the ECHL as a pro, while Stajcer has not been able to hold down a starting job in junior the last 2 years. Talbot is older, and he'll probably be the Rangers emergency call up & then move on next year as a minor league free agent (like Chad Johnson).

The reason Stajcer is getting love is because the reality of the situation is this: He had nowhere to play last season. His junior team didn't want him as they had other goalies willing and able to play, developing them for the future. The AHL was full (Johnson and Talbot) and he's not going to take an NHL spot. They roll over his contract in junior one more season by sending him there. The ECHL is not a place you want to play if you plan on making it to the pro's, even as a goalie. Junior hockey is better than the ECHL. Notice his numbers increase going from the QMJHL to the ECHL. The league isn't good. He'd have been better served in some European league. With Johnson gone, I'm expecting Stajcer to win the backup role outright on the Whale. Missiaen, while he has some potential, I don't see it being the same as Stajcer. I can see Stajcer being a back-up in the NHL, while Missiaen will I can see being an AHL goalie at his best.


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