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Felonious Python 08-09-2012 04:59 AM

CBA / Lockout Discussion Thread (Update: player tested, owner approved)
 
Donald Fehr spent time in Barcelona updating the European contingency of NHL players on the CBA talks.

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He visited Moscow late last week — sitting down with Evgeni Malkin and Ilya Kovalchuk, among others — before holding a session Monday in Barcelona that was attended by roughly 40 players, including Henrik Zetterberg, Mark Streit and Jonas Hiller.
Barcelona?

BoltSTH 08-13-2012 04:56 PM

If there is a lockout will STH get pro rated partial/full refunds, or partial/full credit for the next year?

TheDaysOf 04 08-13-2012 09:52 PM

https://twitter.com/RenLavoieRDS
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NHLPA will show its proposal to the NHL at 11 am Tuesday, in Toronto. Expect Crosby, Ovechkin and Stamkos to be there.

Benders Lindyhop 08-13-2012 10:01 PM

This is gonna get really ugly. The PA doesn't even have a counter-proposal to give the NHL. They've come up with their own "vison" for the league. Hi there, lockout.

The Fear Boners 08-14-2012 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by albatross (Post 53551291)
This is gonna get really ugly. The PA doesn't even have a counter-proposal to give the NHL. They've come up with their own "vison" for the league. Hi there, lockout.

Don't know where you got that from...

Benders Lindyhop 08-14-2012 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Still All In (Post 53575129)
Don't know where you got that from...

Got what from?

The players vision for the league? Or that the players weren't giving a counter-proposal to the NHL? They didn't, they came up with their own proposal.

http://www.windsorstar.com/sports/NH...650/story.html

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"What we expect to do tomorrow is to put forth an alternative view as to what we should do next," Fehr said Monday. "That's the best way I can put it
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Despite that, the union thoroughly examined it over the last month before deciding there was no true counter-proposal to be made. Fehr will instead offer up a "different kind of an approach" -- one that no doubt includes expanded revenue sharing and more flexibility than is currently allowed under the league's rigid salary cap system.

"It's how the players see the world," said Fehr.


I used the word vision instead of alternative view. My bad. Point is the same. And there is no way the owners sign off on what the players proposed today. Congrats to Fehr though, he's certainly winning the PR battle.

Felonious Python 08-15-2012 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by albatross (Post 53575863)
Got what from?

The players vision for the league? Or that the players weren't giving a counter-proposal to the NHL? They didn't, they came up with their own proposal.

http://www.windsorstar.com/sports/NH...650/story.html





I used the word vision instead of alternative view. My bad. Point is the same. And there is no way the owners sign off on what the players proposed today. Congrats to Fehr though, he's certainly winning the PR battle.

It's all PR nonsense. By calling the PA's offer a 'counter-proposal' it implies that the league is the one calling the shots here, and they just need the players to get in line.

When they call it an 'alternate view', now the onus is on the league to come up with another way of saying that they're not going to (let's be reality) deny, the PA's proposal.

(in essence, the league has to deal with giving a counter-proposal to the PA now, if they don't shape the media message.)

Drouin2Stamkos 08-15-2012 10:54 AM

I know a lockout hurts everybody but specifically wouldnt be good for TB hockey. Not only because our window is closing with Marty getting a cup but for interest all around. This is a big year for the men in blue.

Bolts265 08-16-2012 10:13 AM

I smell a lockout!
 
Damn....but I sure hope not.

8.3% unemployment and a struggling economy, can't they see the average Joe does not feel sorry for them in any way for making tons of money to play a game!

ultra63 08-16-2012 11:04 AM

I never understand why fans always blame the players especially this time when the owners are the bad guys.

"But if we lose NHL games or an entire season for the second time in less than a decade, it wonít be because the players lived and died on one particular principle as they did in 2004. It will be because Bettman and the owners grabbed the union by the ankles, held them upside down and refused to stop shaking them until every possible coin fell to the ground.

Don Fehr a boogeyman? Only to those who believe a partnership between players and owners involves the formerís total capitulation to the latterís naked avarice.
"
'
http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...CBA-talks.html

CC321 08-16-2012 11:32 AM

I don't believe there will be a long lockout, simply because the two sides aren't really that far apart. Contract lengths should be limited to close that loophole. Revenue sharing should increase, with a % of the increase mandated to be spent on advertising. Player salaries should be closer to 50%. I'm over simplifying, but making a functional system isn't really that far away.

LightningStrikes 08-16-2012 12:10 PM

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Here's a look at how the salary cap and salary floor would be impacted by the current CBA along with proposals from the NHL and NHL Players' Association for the 2012-13 season:

Current system@

Salary cap: $70.2 million
Salary floor: $54.2 million

NHL's proposal@

Salary cap: $50.8 million
Salary floor: $38.8 million

NHLPA's proposal (assuming a fixed $16-million gap is kept in place)@

Salary cap: $69 million
Salary floor: $53 million
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=403196


CBA discussions will resume on August 22.

stryfe604 08-16-2012 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LightningStrikes (Post 53625723)
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=403196


CBA discussions will resume on August 22.

Man that's really far apart.

CC321 08-16-2012 03:08 PM

The important thing to remember here is that structurally the main issues (salary cap, some revenue sharing, etc...) are already agreed to. Who gets what percentage is not a complex problem, more a test of wills.

With there having been a painful recent lockout that is still fresh in everyone's minds I think a deal will get done sooner rather than later.

Bolto 08-17-2012 09:55 AM

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With there having been a painful recent lockout that is still fresh in everyone's minds I think a deal will get done sooner rather than later.
I hope so.....................

Felonious Python 08-17-2012 11:13 AM

You know that a call from Obama probably wouldn't be very persuasive to Gary Bettman and the NHL to sign a CBA, but a call from Stephen Harper to the NHLPA might.

DangleDoppler 08-18-2012 09:52 AM

I wonder, is there a paycut in line for the league minimum according to the NHL's proposal? I'm much more interested in learning how players like Adam Hall will cope with the new CBA rather than Stammer and other stars..I mean, those guys will make their money one way or another in terms of endorsements etc.

I also would like the bump the STM question...If there is a lockout or delay to the start of the season, does anyone know how STM will be refunded?

Bolto 08-18-2012 09:58 AM

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I also would like the bump the STM question...If there is a lockout or delay to the start of the season, does anyone know how STM will be refunded?
In 2005 we were offered the options of getting the money refunded or we could apply it to the next season.

Don't know if that's what they'd do this time................

BoltSTH 08-18-2012 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Bolto (Post 53675869)
In 2005 we were offered the options of getting the money refunded or we could apply it to the next season.

Don't know if that's what they'd do this time................

Judging by how aggressive they were to get new STH (free Jersey, concessions etc) my guess/hope is that will offer a refund or something like 5-10% forum bucks if applied to next year.

stryfe604 08-18-2012 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Felonious Python (Post 53651989)
You know that a call from Obama probably wouldn't be very persuasive to Gary Bettman and the NHL to sign a CBA, but a call from Stephen Harper to the NHLPA might.

I doubt a call from Jesus himself wouldn't persuade Bettman. Maybe GW Bush, and or Romney might move him though.

Side note, does any else feel Bettman is an avid conservative republican?

CC321 08-21-2012 10:56 AM

Like going to the dentist
 
Bettman,
http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/04/03/c...into-overtime/

zeykshade 08-21-2012 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CC321 (Post 53748537)

That article makes me think of Bettman in a whole new light. He's baller as **** as a businessman.

LightningStrikes 08-22-2012 03:08 PM

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NHL collective bargaining talks were cancelled Wednesday after top executives from the league and players' union held an impromptu morning meeting to discuss the status of the negotiations. (...)

Formal talks between the two sides were slated to resume at 1 p.m. Wednesday but they have now been postponed until Thursday morning.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=403609

Aaron Ward: a starting point for CBA talks hasn't been established and that a lockout is likely (video).


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dbieon12 08-28-2012 11:26 PM

I thought the league was doing well. How could there such a big disparity between the two groups?

Felonious Python 08-29-2012 08:55 AM

The reason why Donald Fehr is in there and not Paul Kelly is because a significant, active faction of the PA felt Kelly got along too well with Bettman, and that would hurt them during negotiations.

They feel that a combative negotiation will benefit them more than two guys getting along and making compromises.


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