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leftwinghockey 08-18-2012 02:23 PM

Tyson Barrie
 
What are your thoughts on him? Can he be top 4? Will he be in the NHL next year?

Ivan13 08-18-2012 02:30 PM

Really good puck mover, great skater, he's good at both ends of the ice, he plays bigger than he is, has a great shot from the point. He can end up as a really good #3 d-man capable of running the PP. He might end up in the NHL depending on his showing in the training camp.

Foppa2118 08-18-2012 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ivan13 (Post 53681161)
Really good puck mover, great skater, he's good at both ends of the ice, he plays bigger than he is, has a great shot from the point. He can end up as a really good #3 d-man capable of running the PP. He might end up in the NHL depending on his showing in the training camp.

Are you talking about how he is right now as an NHL player? Because that description doesn't really fit him. He makes a fair amount of mistakes in his own zone, even in the lesser role he was placed in, and as we saw at the end of the season, gets muscled off the puck pretty easily.

That description probably fit him in junior, but he has some work to do before it can be attributed to him as an NHLer.

Ivan13 08-18-2012 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Foppa2118 (Post 53681743)
Are you talking about how he is right now as an NHL player? Because that description doesn't really fit him. He makes a fair amount of mistakes in his own zone, even in the lesser role he was placed in, and as we saw at the end of the season, gets muscled off the puck pretty easily.

That description probably fit him in junior, but he has some work to do before it can be attributed to him as an NHLer.

I'm talking about his junior career, I'll give him more than a handful of NHL games before I start to criticise him for his performance. He looked decent for a rookie d-man in the games he played.

Drizzt1 08-18-2012 05:46 PM

I really like Barrie. He had a lot of Shattenkirk's qualities about him, and I think he was pretty unlucky at certain times not to pick up points, due to average finishing from other players and things.

BUT, I think Elliott has more of a chance of playing if:-
1. He bulks up in the off season;
2. He works with a defensive coach, to better understand the defensive side of his game.

Ideally, in the long run, I see BOTH making an impact for our team. Not this season, maybe not the next, but I'd like to see the following core (once respective players have developed properly) going forward:-

Johnson, Siemens, Elliott, Barrie, Wilson & Other, where other is a marquee defensemen acquired through free agency (which is hard, I know) to play with Johnson.

NHL33* 08-18-2012 07:59 PM

He may be small but he's an intelligent player. It'll be interesting to see how Elliott develops his game mentally, and how that compares to Barrie's. Barrie is so-so right now as an NHL player, I don't think he's ready yet due to his defensive game but he's not too far off either. He didn't produce much statistically for the Avs this past season, but I thought offensively he was better than his numbers. Needs a little more strength and I have a very small sampling of him (don't follow juniors) but I do think he'll be a top-4 defenseman when all is said and done.

GamingGiant 08-18-2012 08:30 PM

I think Barrie has the potential to become a top-4 defensemen.

I don't think that Barrie will make the team out of camp, but would be one of the first call ups this season.

Foppa2118 08-18-2012 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ivan13 (Post 53682013)
I'm talking about his junior career, I'll give him more than a handful of NHL games before I start to criticise him for his performance. He looked decent for a rookie d-man in the games he played.

I wasn't criticizing him. I just think using an evaluation based on junior play for a player that has been pro for a year can be deceiving. Unless you make that distinction. That's why I mentioned it.

If I hadn't seen Barrie last year, I might assume your sentence about him being good in his own end, and playing bigger than he is described how he played last year. Which I think we can probably agree are areas he needs to work on.

AvsFanRCN 08-18-2012 09:20 PM

Lots of talent, nice kid too, met him in about a week ago in victoria, had a bit of a chat and he signed my jersey

Belgican 08-19-2012 05:28 AM

I think he will impress so much at training camp, Sacco will have no choice to keep him, he will make the team and Elliott will be sent back to LEM

cgf 08-20-2012 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Belgican (Post 53693775)
I think he will impress so much at training camp, Sacco will have no choice to keep him, he will make the team and Elliott will be sent back to LEM

While this is possible, I still think they're going to send all 3 of Guance, Elliott and Barrie to LEM to let them play together for a year, grow further and develop their chemistry. Although I do think Barrie will get called up in the second half of the season, and Gaunce would've been ready for the NHL if they didn't want to start letting him gel with the shifty righties.

IWantSakicAsMyGM 08-20-2012 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Drizzt1 (Post 53684949)
I really like Barrie. He had a lot of Shattenkirk's qualities about him, and I think he was pretty unlucky at certain times not to pick up points, due to average finishing from other players and things.

BUT, I think Elliott has more of a chance of playing if:-
1. He bulks up in the off season;
2. He works with a defensive coach, to better understand the defensive side of his game.

Ideally, in the long run, I see BOTH making an impact for our team. Not this season, maybe not the next, but I'd like to see the following core (once respective players have developed properly) going forward:-

Johnson, Siemens, Elliott, Barrie, Wilson & Other, where other is a marquee defensemen acquired through free agency (which is hard, I know) to play with Johnson.

You forgot Gaunce. Gaunce could be that 1st pairing guy, if Siemens doesn't develop into that role.

Tralfamadore 08-20-2012 02:31 PM

I think it would be a pipe dream to have Gaunce, Elliott, Barrie and Siemens all becoming NHL regulars on this team. However, of those 4 I'd say Barrie has the second best chance of becoming a regular with Siemens having the best chance.

What's the deal with Duncan anyway? For such a highly touted and highly drafted defensemen I feel like I never hear anything about him.

S E P H 02-19-2013 01:00 PM

Wanna bump this thread because of how well he has played.

The jump he has on Elliott, is Barrie is much smarter in the defensive zone.
  • He does these little spins to get off the forechecker.
  • Waits for the forechecker until the last second to pass the puck giving skating room for the forward or his partner.
  • Great puck poise
  • Fantastic pokecheck (underrated)
  • Uses his skating ability as an advantage

It seems that I listed very little, but these go long ways that separates him between Elliott/D'core currently.

Some of cons I have notice is he tries to force the pass at times, tries to do too much with the puck, and he needs to work on his shot accuracy.

El_Loco_Avs 02-19-2013 01:21 PM

The poise is back!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :nod:



(i totally agree with you)

Av-merican 02-19-2013 01:22 PM

He's been a breath of fresh air, that's for sure. Hope I'm not overrating him (see: Eddie Murphy Raw and the cracker analogy) because of how obscenely bad the defense was prior to his arrival.

Could it be this is the guy we were hoping/praying Cumiskey would turn into?

PAZ 02-24-2013 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Av-merican (Post 60025017)
He's been a breath of fresh air, that's for sure. Hope I'm not overrating him (see: Eddie Murphy Raw and the cracker analogy) because of how obscenely bad the defense was prior to his arrival.

Could it be this is the guy we were hoping/praying Cumiskey would turn into?

Barrie has been good, I've been watching a lot other teams Barrie does a lot of things a lot of other players can't. He reminds me a bit of 2010 Doughty where he would be creative with the puck to make sure the play was completed.

He's exploding with confidence right now, I honestly see Barrie having an upside of top pairing (I think he'll top out as a #3 capable of being a #2). He needs to work on his shot, get a bit stronger, and work on his defensive play a bit more, but he's excelled at every level.

CB Joe 02-24-2013 03:06 PM

I think he can become a decent second pairing guy. I think he lacks the size and strength to play top minutes.

Av-merican 02-24-2013 03:34 PM

BTW, this is a bad time to try and evaluate Elliott right now. Just recovered from an injury, forced into a major role on a desperate team because our incompetent GM and coach thought they could rely on the puckmoving skills of Greg Zanon. Hate this phrase, but it's a recipe for disaster. What's worse, the supposed grit Sherman and Sacco plopped into the lineup is playing soft in the defensive zone, so that's just magnifying Elliott's shortcomings.

Pirate Deadpool 02-24-2013 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CB Joe (Post 60383695)
I think he can become a decent second pairing guy. I think he lacks the size and strength to play top minutes.

Totally agree with you. He's been playing a lot better this season. Hopefully he'll be a legit 2nd pairing guy for his career. Now the avs just need 3 more solid dmen and they will be set.

RobinDIF 02-24-2013 09:59 PM

Hopefully he is finally, maybe, almost, starting to replace Shattenkirk now...

CalderKing21 02-24-2013 10:03 PM

i think he's a surefire top tier 2nd pairing guy who can play like a top pairing guy. but it's too early to really know for sure.
he doesn't flash the dominant traits of a #1 but i think he can play there in the future if needed.

avsfan09 02-24-2013 10:27 PM

I never expected him to play this good, atleast this early in his career.

-He's been good defensively and has show great stick work. He does get beat 1v1 a little too often when he buys fakes.

-Poise. He shows a ton of it when the puck is on his stick. That's the most impressive thing to me. Even when he's being pressured he consistently makes the right plays, sometimes great plays.

-Tonight, after a long shift in the offensive zone he starts to break out and realizes that the lines are tired and going for a change. Instead of pulling an O'byrne and firing it down for icing, or giving the puck away, he calmly retreated into his own zone. This bought our team time to change lines and we maintained possession instead of needlessly chasing the other team around and wasting energy to regain it.

-His shot gets though and he's great at walking the line.

The Kingslayer 02-25-2013 01:56 AM

Easily our best dman since EJ went down. Hes starting to finally put up points aswell. Hes ahead of Elliott thus far. Elliott needs to learn to relax a bit. I dont know what Barrie did but his play before and after the scratch is crazy different

Av-merican 02-25-2013 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by The Kingslayer (Post 60429369)
Easily our best dman since EJ went down. Hes starting to finally put up points aswell. Hes ahead of Elliott thus far. Elliott needs to learn to relax a bit. I dont know what Barrie did but his play before and after the scratch is crazy different

I think part of that is coaching. Sacco was using him sparingly and whenever Barrie made a big mistake, exiled him to the press box.

Part of a coach's responsibility is to put his players in a place to succeed. Sacco hadn't done that with Barrie until he was forced to, and now the kid is playing with confidence.

Elliott's got a ton of rust to shake off yet. I still question the logic of calling him up when he should've gotten some games in Lake Erie to get his legs back. I just don't get why Sacco doesn't at least TRY putting O'Brien in there--the guy has moderate puck skill, certainly better than Zanax and O'Byrne.


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