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LatvianTwist 08-19-2012 02:22 AM

Boston - Dallas
 
So I know it got beaten to death last year, Morrow for Spooner. But thinking about it, I figured with our new found center depth in our prospect pool, Spooner wouldn't really be necessary to get Morrow.

So, let's say it's the trade deadline. Boston is looking for an extra push, and Dallas is looking to stay competitive this year while building for the future.

:bruins Receive:

Brenden Morrow


:stars Receive:

Jordan Caron
Tim Thomas (if he still isn't playing and Boston is up against the ceiling)

Boston gets the best player but as a rental. Morrow would have to prove he's still a top 6 winger, but can't beat out Ryder (if he does, maybe Ryder could go back to Boston). They set themselves up for another solid cup run without giving up too much of their future.

Caron is a better fit for the 3rd line and can grow with Eakin - Vincour in the future. We don't really have a place for Morrow, as his skill set isn't that of a bottom sixer and there's no room in the top 6 for him. We can afford Thomas if needed, as well.

This won't happen in the offseason, too many ?s and GMJN has stated he's done for the time being. But just wanted to see if the value was fair, assuming Morrow does regain some form of his old self.

Gentle Jake Virtanen 08-19-2012 02:34 AM

I really don't understand why the Stars would want Thomas. Lehtonen is as good as you can ask a starter to be, and Bachman is a very capable backup. Caron and a 2nd sounds better.

nhlfan9191 08-19-2012 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tangerine (Post 53693019)
I really don't understand why the Stars would want Thomas. Lehtonen is as good as you can ask a starter to be, and Bachman is a very capable backup. Caron and a 2nd sounds better.

His proposal is based around Tim Thomas not playing.

Modo 08-19-2012 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tangerine (Post 53693019)
I really don't understand why the Stars would want Thomas. Lehtonen is as good as you can ask a starter to be, and Bachman is a very capable backup. Caron and a 2nd sounds better.

Obviously we're more interested in his cap hit than whatever he'd provide in net (not much, apparently).

Lehtonen is our starting goalie, and Bachman's the backup. Thomas would just be there in the accountant's ledger, that's all.

IrishPaulie 08-19-2012 04:43 AM

I'd easily do it.

I'm interested to see what Stars fans think about it.

PierreMcGuire* 08-19-2012 04:51 AM

I always wonder why Morrow is always offered up in trades. I can't see Dallas making this trade as Morrow is the teams captain, and in a year where I'm sure their looking for a playoff birth trading the captain for just Jordan Caron seems like something they should hold off on.

But if the Bruins were serious about adding Morrow they should add to the trade to make it more favourable for the Stars. Morrow would be a great fit for the Bruins and I do like the idea of acquiring Morrow if I'm the Bruins.

nycbruins* 08-19-2012 07:56 AM

Morrow of 2010-2011? Underpayment. Morrow of last season? Overpayment. Caron is better than last year's morrow. But if he is anything resembling healthy, morrow would be a great addition to the bruins

TrillMike 08-19-2012 09:32 AM

Not interested in this only because I think Morrow can get us a better main piece. I also think that if Thomas is involved, it will take more from Bos's side (I'm fully aware of the cap stuff, please don't try to fill me in), $5 million is a lot to pay a guy (theoretically). If the cap is around $70 M, the Stars will be sitting somewhere between $10-$11 M under the cap after they extend Benn.

Spitsfan67* 08-19-2012 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LatvianTwist (Post 53692947)
So I know it got beaten to death last year, Morrow for Spooner. But thinking about it, I figured with our new found center depth in our prospect pool, Spooner wouldn't really be necessary to get Morrow.

So, let's say it's the trade deadline. Boston is looking for an extra push, and Dallas is looking to stay competitive this year while building for the future.

:bruins Receive:

Brenden Morrow


:stars Receive:

Jordan Caron
Tim Thomas (if he still isn't playing and Boston is up against the ceiling)

Boston gets the best player but as a rental. Morrow would have to prove he's still a top 6 winger, but can't beat out Ryder (if he does, maybe Ryder could go back to Boston). They set themselves up for another solid cup run without giving up too much of their future.

Caron is a better fit for the 3rd line and can grow with Eakin - Vincour in the future. We don't really have a place for Morrow, as his skill set isn't that of a bottom sixer and there's no room in the top 6 for him. We can afford Thomas if needed, as well.

This won't happen in the offseason, too many ?s and GMJN has stated he's done for the time being. But just wanted to see if the value was fair, assuming Morrow does regain some form of his old self.

Give your head a shake...Morrow is better then this offer and you no that and Dallas DEFINETLY Does not need Thomas.This Trade is More Realistic from Dallas's view:


To Boston:
Morrow


To Dallas:
Adam MaQuaid
Seth Griffith
1st Rd. 2013


If Morrow Was traded, Teams would have to overpay a bit, there not just gunna throw him away for nothing.

Spitsfan67* 08-19-2012 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 23 17 23 (Post 53693659)
I always wonder why Morrow is always offered up in trades. I can't see Dallas making this trade as Morrow is the teams captain, and in a year where I'm sure their looking for a playoff birth trading the captain for just Jordan Caron seems like something they should hold off on.

But if the Bruins were serious about adding Morrow they should add to the trade to make it more favourable for the Stars. Morrow would be a great fit for the Bruins and I do like the idea of acquiring Morrow if I'm the Bruins.

Bet you never thought Modano would either, but you have to make changes and Morrow's getting older....i think it's time for the stars to regroup and get younger.

Dellstrom 08-19-2012 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spitsfan67 (Post 53696039)
Give your head a shake...Morrow is better then this offer and you no that and Dallas DEFINETLY Does not need Thomas.This Trade is More Realistic from Dallas's view:


To Boston:
Morrow


To Dallas:
Adam MaQuaid
Seth Griffith
1st Rd. 2013


If Morrow Was traded, Teams would have to overpay a bit, there not just gunna throw him away for nothing.

:stars
Loui Eriksson

:bruins
5th round pick 2013

That is how I feel about this offer.

OP deal is done from Boston. Caron is a great player, and he fits in very well here and has a future, but he's not exactly a player that comes once a generation.

4ORRBRUIN 08-19-2012 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spitsfan67 (Post 53696039)
Give your head a shake...Morrow is better then this offer and you no that and Dallas DEFINETLY Does not need Thomas.This Trade is More Realistic from Dallas's view:


To Boston:
Morrow


To Dallas:
Adam MaQuaid
Seth Griffith
1st Rd. 2013


If Morrow Was traded, Teams would have to overpay a bit, there not just gunna throw him away for nothing.

And then you woke up ... :help:

BergyWho37 08-19-2012 02:11 PM

Probably a close offer OP but Thomas could get trade elsewhere if this doesn't work for Dallas and add a pick at most with Caron to get a rent a player like Morrow

LatvianTwist 08-19-2012 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spitsfan67 (Post 53696039)
Give your head a shake...Morrow is better then this offer and you no that and Dallas DEFINETLY Does not need Thomas.This Trade is More Realistic from Dallas's view:


To Boston:
Morrow


To Dallas:
Adam MaQuaid
Seth Griffith
1st Rd. 2013


If Morrow Was traded, Teams would have to overpay a bit, there not just gunna throw him away for nothing.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Maybe a re-signed, 30-40-70 Morrow. But even then, probably not.

Some D help would've been nice going into the playoffs, but Ference is the only rental player and he seems too valuable to you guys to trade at the deadline.

Maybe add a 5th or something if we do take on Thomas as well, iono.

Dellstrom 08-19-2012 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LatvianTwist (Post 53700619)
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Maybe a re-signed, 30-40-70 Morrow. But even then, probably not.

Some D help would've been nice going into the playoffs, but Ference is the only rental player and he seems too valuable to you guys to trade at the deadline.

Maybe add a 5th or something if we do take on Thomas as well, iono.

Caron and a 5th for Morrow(with Thomas going) is a deal I'd probably do. Not sure every Boston fan would jump on it but I'd probably be willing to take the risk.

Ogi1Kenobi 08-19-2012 02:59 PM

Dallas passes.

I think we can get a bit more for Morrow, and if Dallas is adding Thomas' 5 mil. cap hit, we better get something back. After Jamie Benn is resigned, we'll be well above the cap floor. Unlike some teams, we don't necessarily need help reaching the cap floor.

dredeye 08-19-2012 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ogi1Kenobi (Post 53701537)
Dallas passes.

I think we can get a bit more for Morrow, and if Dallas is adding Thomas' 5 mil. cap hit, we better get something back. After Jamie Benn is resigned, we'll be well above the cap floor. Unlike some teams, we don't necessarily need help reaching the cap floor.

His cap hit means nothing. Dallas wouldn't be paying one red cent of his contract. It's a necessity to fit the cap hit of Morrow.

Ampersand 08-19-2012 03:43 PM

Scouting report on Caron?

Dellstrom 08-19-2012 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ampersand (Post 53702577)
Scouting report on Caron?

He's very young and is finally starting to reach his potential. He has nothing left to learn in the AHL, and he's perfect for a 3rd line checker role. I believe that he has top-6 potential. Give him 82 games and some competent linemates and he can easily get at least 30 points on a third line. He got 15 in 48 games with extremely limited ice time in Boston.

He's a big guy, but he's not too physical. You won't see him throwing body checks or dropping the gloves, but he's not afraid to use his body to attack and protect the puck. When the Bruins were barely a .500 team during the home stretch of the season, he was one of their best players. He can also kill penalties very well. His defensive awareness is fantastic for his age.

He also has a pretty heavy shot.. He can surprise a goalie and even the fans.


nmbr_24 08-19-2012 04:59 PM

I can see the value of acquiring Morrow but I can't help but feel that by the time the trade deadline rolled around it might be obvious to everyone that at this time in Morrow's career, Caron is a better player.

It might not turn out that way and Morrow may still be a 20-25+ goal scorer and we all know his leadership isn't going anywhere, so let's just say I am glad that we are waiting for the trade deadline to consider this. If Morrow is the same player as he was 2 years ago then of course I would do this deal.

My guess is that Caron scores around 20 goals himself this year. I think I like him more than most Bruins fans, but I see something in Caron and I think he will be better defensively and a slightly less offensively talented version of Nathan Horton in another year or 2 at the very most.

Dellstrom 08-19-2012 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nmbr_24 (Post 53704303)
I can see the value of acquiring Morrow but I can't help but feel that by the time the trade deadline rolled around it might be obvious to everyone that at this time in Morrow's career, Caron is a better player.

It might not turn out that way and Morrow may still be a 20-25+ goal scorer and we all know his leadership isn't going anywhere, so let's just say I am glad that we are waiting for the trade deadline to consider this. If Morrow is the same player as he was 2 years ago then of course I would do this deal.

My guess is that Caron scores around 20 goals himself this year. I think I like him more than most Bruins fans, but I see something in Caron and I think he will be better defensively and a slightly less offensively talented version of Nathan Horton in another year or 2 at the very most.

I'd cry if Caron scores 20.

Mr Misty 08-19-2012 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spitsfan67 (Post 53696039)
Give your head a shake...Morrow is better then this offer and you no that and Dallas DEFINETLY Does not need Thomas.This Trade is More Realistic from Dallas's view:


To Boston:
Morrow


To Dallas:
Adam MaQuaid
Seth Griffith
1st Rd. 2013


If Morrow Was traded, Teams would have to overpay a bit, there not just gunna throw him away for nothing.

Latvian is a Dallas fan, not a Bruins fan that wants to underpay for Morrow. Asking for this package is bananas, nobody values Morrow that highly.

To break it down, many believe that Morrow's value is very low and Dallas taking Thomas' negative value allows them to ask for a player with potentially more value. The cap hit doesn't matter because of Dallas' cap room.

DaStars99 08-19-2012 10:17 PM

I do LTs trade.

Anything to get rid of morrow and get a piece of value in return in the form of caron is fine by me.

PatriceBergeronFan 08-19-2012 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spitsfan67 (Post 53696039)
Give your head a shake...Morrow is better then this offer and you no that and Dallas DEFINETLY Does not need Thomas.This Trade is More Realistic from Dallas's view:


To Boston:
Morrow


To Dallas:
Adam MaQuaid
Seth Griffith
1st Rd. 2013


If Morrow Was traded, Teams would have to overpay a bit, there not just gunna throw him away for nothing.

What the hell? No....


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