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RangerBoy 08-19-2012 02:25 AM

Rangers thoughts
 
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The gulf between the Rangers and unsigned Group II free agent Michael Del Zotto may not be quite as wide as the one separating the NHL and the NHLPA, but we’re told the parties are not close to striking a deal.

Negotiations are expected to intensify over the next couple of weeks between management and the 22-year-old defenseman, who is coming off an entry level deal under which he earned a base of $962,500 per season with an additional $125,000 available in bonuses.

The Blueshirts are believed to be offering a multi-year deal in the neighborhood of $2.2 million to $2.5 million per season to Del Zotto, who faces some urgency given the looming Sept. 15 shutdown of business and the possibility that less will be available under the cap under the next CBA.

Looks like the Rangers and DZ's agent Mark Guy are discussing a 2 year bridge contract. $2.2M-$2.5M is to what Erik Johnson(2 years/$2.2M/$3M/$2.6M AAV in 2010)and Zach Bogosian(2 years/$2M and $3M/$2.5M AAV in 2011)got as bridge contracts.

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There is scant optimism within the Rangers’ camp that Michael Sauer, sidelined for the duration after being concussed last Dec. 5 on a hit delivered by Dion Phaneuf, will be cleared for a return to duty, even if this season’s opener is delayed by months.

If Sauer, said to be feeling better than he was before returning home to Minnesota for the summer but is not believed symptom-free, cannot play, he would be placed on the long-term injury list.

The Rangers aren't very optimistic they will have Sauer in their line-up. David Perron missed almost 13 months with his concussion. David Roberts of the Orioles missed 13 months returning from a concussion. January is 13 months for Sauer.

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Derek Stepan, Ryan McDonagh, Carl Hagelin and Del Zotto (if signed) all would require waivers in order to be assigned to the AHL Whale in the event of a lockout, if the NHL and NHLPA operate under the guidelines that were in place in 2004-05 .
Players such as Eric Staal,Patrice Bergeron and Nathan Horton played in the AHL during the lockout. They were in the 2nd year of their ELC's in 2004-05.

Chris Kreider will play in the AHL if there is a lockout. He is waiver exempt.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_...fS7XMofEFXE2NO

Zil 08-19-2012 03:33 AM

The bad news on Sauer makes signing Rozsival to a short-term deal sound very appealing.

CM Lundqvist 08-19-2012 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Zil (Post 53693351)
The bad news on Sauer makes signing Rozsival to a short-term deal sound very appealing.

I would rather have signed Hannan or Bryan Allen.

Gardner McKay 08-19-2012 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by CM Lundqvist (Post 53693793)
I would rather have signed Hannan or Bryan Allen.

I wouldn't. Although Rozsival is older he has shown he can do well in NY, still knows a few guys from the team, and may come cheaper then both the above. I think they are great alternatives but I would take Rozy over them.

eco's bones 08-19-2012 06:40 AM

Roszival would have to take a huge pay cut. Sign him in the range of $1 to $1.5 mil for 1 year--then fine--otherwise forget it. He's not as good as Sauer who is signed at $1.25 mil. Rangers might think there are better options as well.

RangerBoy 08-19-2012 07:10 AM

The Rangers don't seem to be in a rush to find another D. They probably believe there won't be hockey played before January. Judging by how the NHL has conducted themselves in the CBA talks,the Rangers are correct. There will be a lockout.

Clowes Line 08-19-2012 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RangerBoy (Post 53692963)
Looks like the Rangers and DZ's agent Mark Guy are discussing a 2 year bridge contract. $2.2M-$2.5M is to what Erik Johnson(2 years/$2.2M/$3M/$2.6M AAV in 2010)and Zach Bogosian(2 years/$2M and $3M/$2.5M AAV in 2011)got as bridge contracts.



The Rangers aren't very optimistic they will have Sauer in their line-up. David Perron missed almost 13 months with his concussion. David Roberts of the Orioles missed 13 months returning from a concussion. January is 13 months for Sauer.



Players such as Eric Staal,Patrice Bergeron and Nathan Horton played in the AHL during the lockout. They were in the 2nd year of their ELC's in 2004-05.

Chris Kreider will play in the AHL if there is a lockout. He is waiver exempt.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_...fS7XMofEFXE2NO

If Kreider plays in the AHL during a lockout, does it burn a year off of his ELC?

HatTrick Swayze 08-19-2012 09:19 AM

I'm pretty sure lockout or not all player contracts will advance one year. (Could be wrong though, not 100% sure)

Which would (shocker!) really screw the Rangers.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/24715196.jpg

Clowes Line 08-19-2012 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by HatTrick Swayze (Post 53695021)
I'm pretty sure lockout or not all player contracts will advance one year. (Could be wrong though, not 100% sure)

Which would (shocker!) really screw the Rangers.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/24715196.jpg

Nope. If there's a lockout, contracts remain as they are. For example, the Canes wouldn't have to re-sign Semin.

Now if the season starts late, say November or December, the contracts roll. Although I won't care cuz I wanna watch ****ing hockey.

HatTrick Swayze 08-19-2012 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Kreiders Underwear (Post 53695045)
Nope. If there's a lockout, contracts remain as they are. For example, the Canes wouldn't have to re-sign Semin.

Now if the season starts late, say November or December, the contracts roll. Although I won't care cuz I wanna watch ****ing hockey.

Thanks for clearing that up, wasn't sure.

tsipka 08-19-2012 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CM Lundqvist (Post 53693793)
I would rather have signed Hannan or Bryan Allen.

Hannan signed in Nashville

Clowes Line 08-19-2012 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by HatTrick Swayze (Post 53695063)
Thanks for clearing that up, wasn't sure.

No problem. Only thing I wanna know is if we want Kreider and some of the young guys to play in the AHL so they can continue to grow into the professional game, does it burn a year off of their ELC... That would be such ********.

tsipka 08-19-2012 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Kreiders Underwear (Post 53695045)
Nope. If there's a lockout, contracts remain as they are. For example, the Canes wouldn't have to re-sign Semin.

Now if the season starts late, say November or December, the contracts roll. Although I won't care cuz I wanna watch ****ing hockey.

I thought contracts do continue as if there was a season. Im not sure how ELCs work, but Semin will have to sign a new deal if there is a lockout.

Clowes Line 08-19-2012 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by tsipka (Post 53695131)
I thought contracts do continue as if there was a season. Im not sure how ELCs work, but Semin will have to sign a new deal if there is a lockout.

Just looked it up. You're right. That's ****ing horse ****.

tsipka 08-19-2012 09:39 AM

Its not like it affects the rangers any differently than other teams. I would be pissed if I was Carolina and Semin decided to play somewhere else if there is a full year lock out

Clowes Line 08-19-2012 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by tsipka (Post 53695253)
Its not like it affects the rangers any differently than other teams. I would be pissed if I was Carolina and Semin decided to play somewhere else if there is a full year lock out

It puts all of our players one year closer to FA without having played any hockey. It's ********. Basically, Kreider would have one year left on his ELC after having played no NHL regular season games in his career. What kind of league is this?

HatTrick Swayze 08-19-2012 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by tsipka (Post 53695253)
Its not like it affects the rangers any differently than other teams. I would be pissed if I was Carolina and Semin decided to play somewhere else if there is a full year lock out

It definitely impacts us more than 90% of the teams in the league. So much of our roster is on cost-controlled contracts (ELCs and 2nd contracts). Using a year would be huge.

That has way more of an impact on Carolina/Semin. It's not like they still have to pay him $7M, and he is not a part of their long term future regardless.

Riche16 08-19-2012 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Kreiders Underwear (Post 53695291)
It puts all of our players one year closer to FA without having played any hockey. It's ********. Basically, Kreider would have one year left on his ELC after having played no NHL regular season games in his career. What kind of league is this?


The kind that has three lockouts in 15 years... usually coinciding with a big year prior, where revenues, profits and popularity are at an all time high... this way the damage done can be the most severe to the league and the game.

tsipka 08-19-2012 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by HatTrick Swayze (Post 53695389)
It definitely impacts us more than 90% of the teams in the league. So much of our roster is on cost-controlled contracts (ELCs and 2nd contracts). Using a year would be huge.

That has way more of an impact on Carolina/Semin. It's not like they still have to pay him $7M, and he is not a part of their long term future regardless.

ELCs for ATL division:

NYI 4
NYR 4
NJD 3
PHI 4
PIT 0

I dont feel like going through other teams or looking for second contracts, but in terms of ELCs the rangers are not far ahead.

tsipka 08-19-2012 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Kreiders Underwear (Post 53695291)
It puts all of our players one year closer to FA without having played any hockey. It's ********. Basically, Kreider would have one year left on his ELC after having played no NHL regular season games in his career. What kind of league is this?

Dont forget the rangers chose to burn an ELC year by throwing him into the playoffs. Granted he did impress, but was it worth it?

HatTrick Swayze 08-19-2012 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tsipka (Post 53696027)
ELCs for ATL division:

NYI 4
NYR 4
NJD 3
PHI 4
PIT 0

I dont feel like going through other teams or looking for second contracts, but in terms of ELCs the rangers are not far ahead.

Look at who the Rangers have to resign in 2013 (Stepan, Hagelin, McD, Sauer) and 2014 (Gabby, Callahan, Girardi, Lundqvist, Kreider, Boyle). It is pretty clear a tough choice or two is gonna have to be made; and losing this year when they have everyone would really hurt.

tsipka 08-19-2012 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by HatTrick Swayze (Post 53696259)
Look at who the Rangers have to resign in 2013 (Stepan, Hagelin, McD, Sauer) and 2014 (Gabby, Callahan, Girardi, Lundqvist, Kreider, Boyle). It is pretty clear a tough choice or two is gonna have to be made; and losing this year when they have everyone would really hurt.

I guess we have to live with this stuff. The devils lost a year to the lockout where they were contenders and Marty was in his prime. They still would've had Neidermeyer and Stevens as well.

RangerBoy 08-19-2012 10:51 AM

Kreider's contract doesn't slide. He is 21. Slide rules are 18 and 19 year olds who don't play 10 NHL games that season.

Clowes Line 08-19-2012 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by tsipka (Post 53696253)
Dont forget the rangers chose to burn an ELC year by throwing him into the playoffs. Granted he did impress, but was it worth it?

I don't care about a year. I care about two years. He'll have one year left having played no games.

tsipka 08-19-2012 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RangerBoy (Post 53696347)
Kreider's contract doesn't slide. He is 21. Slide rules are 18 and 19 year olds who don't play 10 NHL games that season.

If this is true...

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Originally Posted by Kreiders Underwear (Post 53696359)
I don't care about a year. I care about two years. He'll have one year left having played no games.

then there you have it


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