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Red Haired Shanks 08-19-2012 08:45 PM

Conference Standings
 
EAST:

1.New Yorkk Rangers(wins Atlantic Division)
-with the addition of nash they now have the best top 6 in the league and an extremely dangerously offensive team. but they have a average bottom 6. and defense although good its still not as well rounded or as deep as other teams. they might be better than the canucks on paper but there division and conference has gotten better so i dont see them winning the presidents trophy.

2. Boston Bruins(wins North East Division)
-the bullies of the NHL there the top tier team in there division. more physical and a lot more rounded than other teams. rask is a question mark if he can handle a full season. other than that they are good too go.

3. Washington Capitals(wins South East Division)
-they started playing a lot better latter in the season and if there stars can stay healthy they have a god team. im still not sure about holtby. corey crawford had a great playoffs before he had a full season and now there looking for another goalie. but im going to have to go off the playoffs alone so i think there going to be alright.

4.Pittsburgh Penguins
- with crosby returning they now have the 2 best players in the world. they almost won the west last year without crosby but NYR upgraded there roster more and have a better top 6, defense and goaltending imo. they come 2nd points wise behind NYR but 4th due to divisional rankings

5. Buffalo Sabres
-they got off to an extremely rocky start and never seemed to overcome the hole that they have dug at the beginning of the year. they added a lot of good pieces and filled needs. if miller can get back to the top of his game like he was doing at the end of last season they are a good well rounded team.

6. Phillidelphia Flyers
-offense is great defense took a major hit regarding injuries and loosing some guys to FA. Mr.Universe(bryzgalov) is still a big mystery in net. i think he will have a better season but there team just doesnt look as good as last year and other teams have gotten better.

7. Ottawa Senators
-they have decent depth good top 6 and average defense. i think karlsson will have a big drop off of points and there overall team will drop a bit. spezza will dominate alfredsson`s age will catch up to him


8.Carolina Hurricanes
-they added a lot of pieces and have an explosive top 6 now. there defense is still sub par and depth is somewhat lacking.

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9. Florida Panthers
-they lost a few good players(mainly garrison) but there young guns are coming up nicley i see them slot in a few positions but there team is still not good enough. if they get luo i woudld put them higher but with theo and clemmensen im not sure. theo gets injured and clemmensen is decent at best.

10. Winnipeg Jets
-there still missing a few key pieces to make this a playoff team. i think another top 6 winger and top 4 d-man and they will maybe even win the division. they did improve however.

11. New Jersey Devils
-they lost there captain and best player. i dont see them having a good enough team to even make the playoffs. i think brodeurs age will catch up on him and they will be left with no number 1 in net.

12. Tampa Bay Lightning
-they addressed there defense issues and got a goalie. however i dont think lindback is good enough to be a number one and i think he will falter. there forward lines arent the deepest either, with the lack of depth this team just isnt ready yet.

13. Toronto Maple Leafs
-goaltending needs to change if they want a playoff spot. there team lacks depth and structure. they dont have a number one center or a number one goalie. there defense is the only good part of the team imo.

14.Montreal Canadiens
-with no improvements to this roster see them do slightly better than last year. they need to rebuild.

15. New York Islanders
-this team just needs to let there young guns develop. there whole team just isnt good enough for the NHL at this point. in a few years when there young talent develops they will have a good team but for now there not good. and depietro sucks


WEST:

1. Vancouver Canucks(wins NW division and presidents trophy)
-we are the deepest team in the west, if not the whole league and our goaltending and defense are great. we just need to stay healthy and we have another presidents trophy due to our weak division(tho the teams have improved) and many eastern teams getting better but western teams getting worse.

2. St. Louis Blues(wins central division)
-a great coach and defensive system along with great goaltending and a roster with a lot of depth really makes the blues a great team. i think the teams in there division have gotten worse while the blues have largely stayed the same.

3. LA Kings(wins pacific division)
-tho they did win the cup, you must not forget they barley made the playoffs. a full 82 game season can hurt this team, but they are the cup champs so they might surprise and dominate the regular season much like they did the post season.

4. Chicago Black-hawks
-there teams as a whole is great but the goaltending is still weak and a big concern. if they fix there goaltending i can see them winning there division as of now. they dont

5. San Jose Sharks
-there top 6 is great bottom 6 not so much. there depth will hurt them and goaltending is not great. i dont think they will have enough depth to do great this year but better than last year where they under performed. plus they filled some holes in the defense

6. Detroit Red-Wings
-with the loss of lindstrom they will undoubtedly falter but there team is still good enough to make the playoffs plus they are getting old so they fall a bit in the standings.

7. Minnesota Wild
-part of the reason they were so bad last year was most of there roster got injured so a heathy roster and the additions of both suter and parise will help them a lot and they will finally make the playoffs again.

8. Dallas Stars
-they added a lot to there team with veteran players and depth guys. i can see them finally squeaking into the post season.

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9. Nashville Predators
-with the loss of suter and several other players i just dont see this team being good enough to get into the playoffs. they lost top 6 forwards and didnt add much to there team. rinne will steal a few games for them but i just see other teams getting better and this team getting worse.

10. Anaheim Ducks
-they did improve there team mainly on defense but if there stars under perform again i dont see them being playoff bound. depth is still a major issue they need to address and if hiller is good enough to get them to the post season.

11. Edmonton Oilers
-great youth on this team. they will compete in a few years but there defense is still not good. they need to fix there defense if they want to make the playoffs. forwards are great tho

12. Calgary Flames
-iginla and kipper are getting older and cant carry that team forever. they added some good pieces but they also lost some good pieces. i think this will be the breaking point there going to start rebuilding and trade away some players for young guns and picks.

13. Phoenix Coyotes
-they lost some guys who contributed heavily to there team and if doan leaves there even worse off. plus i think mike smith was a one hit wonder i dont think he will do aswell next year.

14. Colorado Avalanche
-a young team inexperienced and tho they did improve i still think they need more. looking at there defense and i see a bunch of 5th-6th d-men playing in there top 4. plus varlamov is still a question mark.i think they drop and look for another top 5 draft pick

15. Cloumbus Blue Jackets
-there defense looks good, goaltending and forwards not so much. they lost there top point producer and got a few guys that will even things out a bit but there still largely the same team as last year. maybe worse

Verviticus 08-19-2012 08:50 PM

man i appreciate the thought you put into this but you need to, at the very least, learn the difference between their, there and they're

edit: on closer inspection you need to learn that the latter two even exist

Red Haired Shanks 08-19-2012 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Verviticus (Post 53710443)
man i appreciate the thought you put into this but you need to, at the very least, learn the difference between their, there and they're

edit: on closer inspection you need to learn that the latter two even exist

this is the internet. im not going to waste my time with proper grammar. anyways it doesnt take away from the actual meaning of the sentence now does it?

Royal Canuck 08-19-2012 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Verviticus (Post 53710443)
man i appreciate the thought you put into this but you need to, at the very least, learn the difference between their, there and they're

edit: on closer inspection you need to learn that the latter two even exist

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Haired Shanks (Post 53710553)
this is the internet. im not going to waste my time with proper grammar. anyways it doesnt take away from the actual meaning of the sentence now does it?

Hey now guys, chill.

Hammer79 08-19-2012 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Haired Shanks (Post 53710553)
this is the internet. im not going to waste my time with proper grammar. anyways it doesnt take away from the actual meaning of the sentence now does it?

I'm not perfect either, but that said, you should work on it. It gives the reader a negative impression of the poster. If you're not going to put effort in, why should I read your post? It makes me think, "Maybe you didn't put effort into that either?"

It does take away from the meaning of the sentence.

There - place, here or there.
Their - possessive, their car was on the road.
They're - short for they are

Also this stood out (I didn't read your full post) 'they barley made the playoffs', but that's probably a typo.

John Swartzwelder 08-19-2012 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Verviticus (Post 53710443)
man i appreciate the thought you put into this but you need to, at the very least, learn the difference between their, there and they're

edit: on closer inspection you need to learn that the latter two even exist

On closer inspection you need to learn that periods at the end of sentences exist, smart guy!

Verviticus 08-19-2012 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by John Swartzwelder (Post 53711051)
On closer inspection you need to learn that periods at the end of sentences exist, smart guy!

being minimalist is different from habitually using incorrect words! note that i appreciate his flawless use of capitals and punctuation

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Haired Shanks (Post 53710553)
this is the internet. im not going to waste my time with proper grammar. anyways it doesnt take away from the actual meaning of the sentence now does it?

literally (literally) it does

ddawg1950 08-19-2012 10:09 PM

Nice work OP.

You'll always get disagreement here and there but you are sticking pretty close to conventional wisdom with a healthy dollop of homerism picking the Canucks first overall.

I think that trading Luongo east, presuming that is where he'll be going, could impact the standings. With Lou, I tthink either Florida or Toronto make the playoffs.

On the off chance he goes to Washington, then I'd see them contend for first in the east.

And if Crosby and Malkin are healthy, I don't think anyone stops them in the regular season.

In the west, I have said before that this is the year that Edmonton passes Calgary. And unless Chicago does something about heir D and goaltending I think Nashville will beat them out.

archangel archangel 08-19-2012 10:38 PM

This year our division will be a lot tougher and free points we have received previously will not be as easy to get. And I want to see what we get for Luongo. I do not like our bottom pairing D and I still want more grit.

Tim Calhoun 08-19-2012 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ddawg1950 (Post 53712609)
Nice work OP.

You'll always get disagreement here and there but you are sticking pretty close to conventional wisdom with a healthy dollop of homerism picking the Canucks first overall.

I think that trading Luongo east, presuming that is where he'll be going, could impact the standings. With Lou, I tthink either Florida or Toronto make the playoffs.

On the off chance he goes to Washington, then I'd see them contend for first in the east.

And if Crosby and Malkin are healthy, I don't think anyone stops them in the regular season.

In the west, I have said before that this is the year that Edmonton passes Calgary. And unless Chicago does something about heir D and goaltending I think Nashville will beat them out.

Why are you talking hockey in a thread about spelling/grammar? :sarcasm:

medhatcanuck 08-19-2012 11:14 PM

NYR, LAK, BOS have more depth than us.

VinnyC 08-19-2012 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by medhatcanuck (Post 53714009)
NYR, LAK, BOS have more depth than us.

Disagree with NYR, they're more top-heavy now but if they don't get prospects chipping in the grind department like LAK did for them they'll sorely miss Dubinsky and Artem. Shipping out Erixon also leaves their blue line more exposed to injury; we've seen Tortorella play pretty much five defensemen per game with Sauer out (Bickell getting 2 minutes/game doesn't count). So if they say, are down two of their top 6 D-men they'll have the other four play 25+ minutes per game. The backfire would be even worse if one of them were McD or Girardi.

I think the Rangers will do great in the regular season, but I honestly think if Lundqvist isn't going HAM they'll bow out in a first or second round upset.

Reverend Mayhem 08-19-2012 11:26 PM

Detroit losing Lindstrom sucks for them, but I think losing Lidstrom is far worse a blow.

canucks1982 08-20-2012 12:07 AM

Quote:

1.New Yorkk Rangers(wins Atlantic Division)
-with the addition of nash they now have the best top 6 in the league and an extremely dangerously offensive team. but they have a average bottom 6. and defense although good its still not as well rounded or as deep as other teams. they might be better than the canucks on paper but there division and conference has gotten better so i dont see them winning the presidents trophy.
I Disagree with them having the best top 6. Lets compare the top 3 with the Canucks top 3, Gaborik/Richards/Nash vs Sedin/sedin/Kesler. Henrik Sedin is better than Brad Richards. He outscored him the last 6 seasons. Somebody will reply back and say Brad Richards has a con smyth, that was 8 season ago. What has he done in the playoff lately, Henrik Sedin has 51 points in his last 52 playoff games. Daniel Sedin vs Gaborik is pretty even. Nash is beter than Kesler. Kind of hard to compare. They are different type of players but Kesler could get back to his 70 point and selke trophy type of season. The gap between Kesler and Nash is pretty close.

comparing the rest? Burrows is pretty close to Ryan Callahan but Burrows has produce more the last 4 season. I Give the edge to burrows.

higgins/booth vs Stepan/Kredier. Stepan/Kredier upside is a lot of higher than Higgins/booth but they're not there yet. Kredier didn't even play a regular season game yet. I will say this one is =

so Overall

H Sedin < Richards
D Sedin = Gaboriek
Kesler < Nash
Burrows <Callahan
Booth = Kredier
Higgins = Stepan

I will say the Canucks have a slight edge but it is really damn close.

Even the canucks top 4 defense and rangers top 4 defense are pretty close. Edler/Garrison/Bieksa/Hamhuis vs Staal/Zotto/Mcd/Girardi

John Swartzwelder 08-20-2012 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Verviticus (Post 53711923)
being minimalist is different from habitually using incorrect words! note that i appreciate his flawless use of capitals and punctuation

More like obnoxious and annoying.

Verviticus 08-20-2012 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by canucks1982 (Post 53714819)
H Sedin < Richards
D Sedin = Gaboriek
Kesler < Nash
Burrows <Callahan
Booth = Kredier
Higgins = Stepan

uh, what?

you think richards is a better player than henrik and you think callahan is better than burrows?

PierreMcGuire* 08-20-2012 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canucks1982 (Post 53714819)
H Sedin < Richards
D Sedin = Gaboriek
Kesler < Nash
Burrows <Callahan
Booth = Kredier
Higgins = Stepan

My thoughts.

H. Sedin > Richards
D. Sedin > Gaborik
Kesler < Nash
Burrows < Callahan
Booth > Kreider (for this year at least)
Higgins < Stepan

I would also say are Top 4 on D are worse than the Rangers, and I'd give the Rangers the edge in goaltending as well. I don't expect us to have more points than the Rangers come seasons end.

I don't think we will finish number one in the conference either. I see us winning the division and taking the third seed, maybe move up to second pending how we do without Kesler, and how we play when he returns to the lineup.

ProstheticConscience 08-20-2012 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Reverend Mayhem (Post 53714231)
Detroit losing Lindstrom sucks for them, but I think losing Lidstrom is far worse a blow.

:laugh: Yeah, I dunno how they'll cope without Lindstrom.

And OP, I really hope your CV and job application forms don't look like the first post here. You might think this internet-thingie doesn't need the formal niceness of proper spelling and grammar, but everyone older than about 20 will have a very hard time taking anything you say seriously if your posts look like they're thrown together by illiterate 12 year-old. For example, am I really going to take your two line analysis of Columbus seriously when you call them Cloumbus?

Lucbourdon 08-20-2012 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Verviticus (Post 53710443)
man i appreciate the thought you put into this but you need to, at the very least, learn the difference between their, there and they're

edit: on closer inspection you need to learn that the latter two even exist

God I hate people like this. It's the internet

Reverend Mayhem 08-20-2012 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucbourdon (Post 53715335)
God I hate people like this. It's the internet

Me to. I h8 wen ppl r liek 'hey, its 'like this if you cry everytime not lyk dis if u cry everytim' so stoopid,

aandbreatheme 08-20-2012 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canucks1982 (Post 53714819)

so Overall

H Sedin < Richards
D Sedin = Gaboriek
Kesler < Nash
Burrows <Callahan
Booth = Kredier
Higgins = Stepan


That's a complete joke.

Red Haired Shanks 08-20-2012 02:13 PM

how is that a joke. henrik is better than richards.

aandbreatheme 08-20-2012 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Haired Shanks (Post 53726319)
how is that a joke. henrik is better than richards.

Quoted the wrong person. Fixed.

Scottrockztheworld* 08-20-2012 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Haired Shanks (Post 53710553)
this is the internet. im not going to waste my time with proper grammar. anyways it doesnt take away from the actual meaning of the sentence now does it?

This my friends is why the up coming generation scares me. The "Why do things the right way when it doesn't really matter" mentality isn't a great on to take on. Grammar is grammar & our language is already going down the drain, why not put some effort into it? :dunno:




As for your standings I think you've got a decent list. The explanations I do not agree with but the standings are pretty good.

luongo321 08-20-2012 02:23 PM

Without Luongo, I don't think we'll be first in the conference. I for sure don't think we'll win the President's trophy again. The Schneider/Luongo duo is the only reason we have been able to manage 1st overall the last 2 seasons. Without both of them, our regular season won't be as strong. However, I do think we can still win a Stanley Cup with Schneider. Let's hope the Lu return is decent or at least Doan signs. We need a healthy Kesler this season so he can go beast mode in the playoffs.

I'm very excited to see how Kassian plays this season. I hope that offseason conditioning pays off for him.


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