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Bruins4Ever 01-21-2005 04:44 PM

Realistic Havlat Trades
 
Here they are:

Havlat for one of the following:

Samsonov, Doan, Gagne, Tanguay, Zetterberg, Smyth, Satan. Any takers?

Bandwagoner 01-21-2005 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruins4Ever
Here they are:

Havlat for one of the following:

Samsonov, Doan, Gagne, Tanguay, Zetterberg, Satan. Any takers?

I think it's safe to say that you can cross Doan off the list. Just signed a new contract and is Captain Coyote... so I doubt the Coyotes will do it.

Epsilon 01-21-2005 04:51 PM

Here's the trade I proposed in the Wings-Senators thread, which didn't get a lot of views so I figure reposting it here is fine:

to Wings: Havlat

to Senators: Shanahan, Holmstrom, 1st round pick

Now being a Wings fan I wouldn't mind getting some sort of sweetener (maybe a guy like Mirnov), but I think as the basis for a trade this is reasonable.

Freaky Habs Fan 01-21-2005 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Epsilon
Here's the trade I proposed in the Wings-Senators thread, which didn't get a lot of views so I figure reposting it here is fine:

to Wings: Havlat

to Senators: Shanahan, Holmstrom, 1st round pick

Now being a Wings fan I wouldn't mind getting some sort of sweetener (maybe a guy like Mirnov), but I think as the basis for a trade this is reasonable.

The wings are overpaying...Ottawa need to add something!

SensGod 01-21-2005 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruins4Ever
Here they are:

Havlat for one of the following:

Samsonov, Doan, Gagne, Tanguay, Zetterberg, Smyth, Satan. Any takers?

Remove Doan and Satan...they are RW no?

SensGod 01-21-2005 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freaky Habs Fan
The wings are overpaying...Ottawa need to add something!

I would agree....I have no idea what to add. Mirnov is too much though.

If Havlat get's moved...we'd be looking for a younger version of Shanny...if not...we need a dman.

MmmBacon 01-21-2005 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freaky Habs Fan
The wings are overpaying...Ottawa need to add something!

In a world where salaries don't matter, maybe. In the current hockey world, where they matter a bunch, Ottawa is probably the team overpaying.

Bruins4Ever 01-21-2005 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SensGod
Remove Doan and Satan...they are RW no?

Both can play either wing I thought. :dunno:

Hobey Baker 01-21-2005 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruins4Ever
Here they are:

Havlat for one of the following:

Samsonov, Doan, Gagne, Tanguay, Zetterberg, Smyth, Satan. Any takers?

Muckler = Satan fan. Buffalo would do a Havlat for Satan deal in a heartbeat.

Wolfpack 01-21-2005 05:31 PM

Havlat is a young and talented scorer - which makes me wonder why every second post I see on this board is an Ottawa fan trying to trade Havlat. Are the Sens THAT stacked at the centre/forward position, or is it because Havlat held-out?

It's like Oilers fans trying to trade Brewer, Leaf fans wanting to trade Antropov or Kaberle. I see the same names over and over on this board... why is that?

Bruins4Ever 01-21-2005 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfpack
Havlat is a young and talented scorer - which makes me wonder why every second post I see on this board is an Ottawa fan trying to trade Havlat. Are the Sens THAT stacked at the centre/forward position, or is it because Havlat held-out?

It's like Oilers fans trying to trade Brewer, Leaf fans wanting to trade Antropov or Kaberle. I see the same names over and over on this board... why is that?

I'm not an Ottawa fan at all, see my name? I'm just sick of seeing these Havlat trades. That's why I made this thread to stop all of the unessecary proposals which are either horribly lopsided, or one team hates one player. I've put a few names of players who are the value of Havlat, and see if people like them.

Porn* 01-21-2005 05:45 PM

Honestly....

Havlat, prospect for Doan would be golden for Ottawa...

gives ottawa that hard hitting PF 1st liner Captain they've needed for a while. I hate Ottawa but I'd love to see Doan play with Spezza and Hossa.

AG9NK35DT8* 01-21-2005 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Epsilon
Here's the trade I proposed in the Wings-Senators thread, which didn't get a lot of views so I figure reposting it here is fine:

to Wings: Havlat

to Senators: Shanahan, Holmstrom, 1st round pick

Now being a Wings fan I wouldn't mind getting some sort of sweetener (maybe a guy like Mirnov), but I think as the basis for a trade this is reasonable.

In a sense it is an over payment but right off the bat Havlat replaces the scoring that Shanahan would be doing , plus Shanny is already like 36 or 37 and is not a young guy any more. basically the deal to me is fine a bit over payment but what if the sens throw in something like a 3rd or 4th rounder

To Det: Havlat, Phillips and a 3rd rounder in 06 or 07
To Ottawa: 1st rounder in 05 0r 06,Holmstrom,Hudler and Fischer

Im not great at these things but it seems to be quit fair.

Havlat = Hudler and a 1st in 05 or 06
Holmstrom and Fischer = Phillips and a 3rd in the following years draft, so if Ottawa uses the first rounder in 05 then Det uses the 3rd in 06

anguscertified 01-21-2005 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AG9NK35DT8
In a sense it is an over payment but right off the bat Havlat replaces the scoring that Shanahan would be doing , plus Shanny is already like 36 or 37 and is not a young guy any more. basically the deal to me is fine a bit over payment but what if the sens throw in something like a 3rd or 4th rounder

To Det: Havlat, Phillips and a 3rd rounder in 06 or 07
To Ottawa: 1st rounder in 05 0r 06,Holmstrom,Hudler and Fischer

Im not great at these things but it seems to be quit fair.

Havlat = Hudler and a 1st in 05 or 06
Holmstrom and Fischer = Phillips and a 3rd in the following years draft, so if Ottawa uses the first rounder in 05 then Det uses the 3rd in 06

If Ottawa trades Havlat...they wouldn't want a first, they want proven talent...

Epsilon 01-21-2005 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AG9NK35DT8
In a sense it is an over payment but right off the bat Havlat replaces the scoring that Shanahan would be doing , plus Shanny is already like 36 or 37 and is not a young guy any more. basically the deal to me is fine a bit over payment but what if the sens throw in something like a 3rd or 4th rounder

To Det: Havlat, Phillips and a 3rd rounder in 06 or 07
To Ottawa: 1st rounder in 05 0r 06,Holmstrom,Hudler and Fischer

Im not great at these things but it seems to be quit fair.

Havlat = Hudler and a 1st in 05 or 06
Holmstrom and Fischer = Phillips and a 3rd in the following years draft, so if Ottawa uses the first rounder in 05 then Det uses the 3rd in 06

Why would Ottawa want to make a trade like that? They don't need anymore prospects and draft picks; what's the point of them trading for Hudler? I made my proposal under the assumption that the Senators were looking to win now, henc the inclusion of two playoff vets Shanahan and Holmstrom, along with the first rounder to balance it out.

Havlat is worth eons more than Detroit's (probably low) first rounder and Hudler.

LadyByngJeanRatelle 01-21-2005 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AG9NK35DT8

Havlat = Hudler and a 1st in 05 or 06

:lol: :lol: :lol:

trentmccleary 01-22-2005 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Epsilon
Here's the trade I proposed in the Wings-Senators thread, which didn't get a lot of views so I figure reposting it here is fine:

to Wings: Havlat

to Senators: Shanahan, Holmstrom, 1st round pick

Now being a Wings fan I wouldn't mind getting some sort of sweetener (maybe a guy like Mirnov), but I think as the basis for a trade this is reasonable.

I wouldn't have a problem throwing in Mirnov. But I think the deal on it's face gives each team a sort of "years of quality service" balance.
We'd probably have Shanahan for two years max. Whether he plays longer is irrelevant, he keeps hitting UFA and it's unlikely Ottawa would keep him beyond his next contract,

Holmstrom is a 4th liner with playoff benefits. Sorely needed in Ottawa.
1st = crapshoot, like every year.

Reilly311 01-22-2005 01:27 AM

I'd want Spezza more than Havlat. The Sens can have anyone they want except Zetterberg for him. [/biaswingsfan]

trentmccleary 01-22-2005 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reilly311
I'd want Spezza more than Havlat. The Sens can have anyone they want except Zetterberg for him. [/biaswingsfan]

Problem is that we have only 1 Spezza and 3 Havlats.

I can assure you that we wouldn't want to see a Spezza for Zetterberg deal either.

RoyIsALegend* 01-22-2005 01:41 AM

Avs wouldn't move Alex Tanguay for Martin Havlat.

Reilly311 01-22-2005 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trentmccleary
Problem is that we have only 1 Spezza and 3 Havlats.

I can assure you that we wouldn't want to see a Spezza for Zetterberg deal either.


Zetterberg is better/will be better than Spezza. [/nonbiasedwingsfan]


Anyway.


The Window for the Sens to win a Stanley Cup is slowly closing. They are the Wings of the early/mid 90's right now. The Wings had to trade Keith Primeau and Paul Coffey (two players who had impressive numbers the year before) to win a stanley cup. I know some people are in love with Spezza, but by the time he's mature and a key contributer, it'll be too late.

trentmccleary 01-22-2005 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reilly311
Zetterberg is better/will be better than Spezza. [/nonbiasedwingsfan]
Anyway.
The Window for the Sens to win a Stanley Cup is slowly closing. They are the Wings of the early/mid 90's right now. The Wings had to trade Keith Primeau and Paul Coffey (two players who had impressive numbers the year before) to win a stanley cup. I know some people are in love with Spezza, but by the time he's mature and a key contributer, it'll be too late.

Then keep Zetterberg. You will get no disagreement from Sens fans. That's a trade we wouldn't make either.

Window closing?

Top 5 forwards: Alfie 32, Hossa 26, Havlat 23, Spezza 21, Fisher 24,
Top 4 D: Chara 27, Redden 27, Phillips 26, deVries 32

With the exception of Hasek (who may never play a game for us anyways), even the "old" players on a our team are still relatively young. Our oldest key players are 32.

Reilly311 01-22-2005 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trentmccleary
Then keep Zetterberg. You will get no disagreement from Sens fans. That's a trade we wouldn't make either.

Window closing?

Top 5 forwards: Alfie 32, Hossa 26, Havlat 23, Spezza 21, Fisher 24,
Top 4 D: Chara 27, Redden 27, Phillips 26, deVries 32

With the exception of Hasek (who may never play a game for us anyways), even the "old" players on a our team are still relatively young. Our oldest key players are 32.


And with an upcoming cap and possible lower UFA age, how are they going to keep that team together? Also, lets just assume we're talking the old CBA, if the Sens don't win it all in the next 2 to 3 years, why would management keep that team together?

FLYLine24* 01-22-2005 10:22 AM

Why is there 4 Havlat trade threads in the top 5 posts on this board? People stop spamming the board with this and just put your idea in the previous Havlat thread.

It Kills Me 01-22-2005 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfpack
Havlat is a young and talented scorer - which makes me wonder why every second post I see on this board is an Ottawa fan trying to trade Havlat. Are the Sens THAT stacked at the centre/forward position, or is it because Havlat held-out?

It's like Oilers fans trying to trade Brewer, Leaf fans wanting to trade Antropov or Kaberle. I see the same names over and over on this board... why is that?

Half the time, the thread is started by another teams fan. Everyone knows that these guys are the most tradeable players on their teams. They're all young too. So why not include them in a trade.


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