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Hank Chinaski 09-03-2012 11:01 AM

2012-13 point total prediction: Alexander Burmistrov
 
GP: 79
G: 17
Pts: 40

sully1410 09-03-2012 11:21 AM

25g
30a

55pts.

I'm expecting great things.

MrWigglez 09-03-2012 11:42 AM

I still fear he will get bounced around the lines and never get comfortable.

29pts

vBurmi 09-03-2012 11:45 AM

Hopefully he'll find his confidence and make cleaner entries to the offensive zone/commit less turnovers. I'm not entirely sure these will directly lead to more offense yet but I expect a decent year developmentally. Considering I expect he'll mostly be on the third-line playing shutdown & PK minutes, I'd consider a good year as:

16G - 20A - 36P

Again, I'll be looking more at how he plays than his point totals. If he starts doing more of the little things right, the offense will come eventually. I still think he'll be a late bloomer.

surixon 09-03-2012 01:10 PM

15 g 21a 36p. I think he starts to put it together offensively but still has bouts of inconsistiency. Im looking at the year after next for him to emerge as a very effective 2way top 6 forward!

King Woodballs 09-03-2012 02:11 PM

80 games
15 goals
30 points

Hope he can stick with some consistant line mates this year

PostmanPat1919 09-03-2012 03:45 PM

Burmistrov was better last season than the point totals suggest. Question is whether he gets the PP time he'd need to put up significant offensive numbers. If he does than:

19 Gs
28 As
47 Ps.

Sweech 09-03-2012 04:10 PM

Big question is where he gets his icetime and with whom? Not to mention how much icetime will he be getting? I don't see him getting a ton on the PP and it really depends on how much he gets put on the 3rd and 2nd line. The 3rd will mainly be looking to get harder defensive assignments, while the 2nd will probably get quite a lot of offensive zone starts. If he can steal the 2nd RW spot from Wellwood his points should improve.

I'm saying around 40 points for Burmi this season.

Daddy Longlegs 09-03-2012 09:01 PM

82 games
18 goals
31 assists
49 points

garret9 09-06-2012 07:06 PM

Sorry about this one being so late, school is back in session. I'm being forced to crunch more numbers elsewhere than here now...

I really can't say for certain how Burmistrov will do because it depends how fast (if he even does) he grab that remaining top 6 spot that seems to be up for grabs that could go to any of Wellwood, Antropov and Burmistrov. I have faith he will take it but I can see that spot being rotated not just when the individuals are doing bad/well but also when the team is doing bad/well.


Looking at last year Burmi looks like he made a pretty good step forward:
NamePOS GP TOI/60 CORSION CORSIQoC OZS G/60 A1/60 A2/60 P/60
ABURMISTROV C 76 13.20 07.24 -1.245 58.7 0.60 0.42 0.30 1.32

Most common line-mates (in order):
Kane (556:17), Wellwood (330:11), Antropov (226:43), Wheeler (167:22)

Most common D on ice with (in order):
Stuart (318:11), Bogosian (284:10), Byfuglien (266:16), Oduya (251:05)


As I stated above Burmistrov made some good improvements from the previous season:
Year G/60 A1/60 P/60 (sansA2)
2011-12 0.60 0.42 1.02
2010-11 0.42 0.35 0.77
%change 42.9 20.0 32.5
Looking at Burmistrov if he was to develop at the same percentages or half there of he would end up:
Year G/60 A1/60 P/60 (sans A2)
Same 0.86 0.50 1.35
Half 0.73 0.46 1.19
At same jump in progression he equals out to similar numbers as Little. At half the same jump in progression he similar to Wellwood/Antropov with less assists or a Cody Hodson.


Question remains... Who will get the last top 6 spot? I don`t see Wellwood or Antropov improving on last year numbers by any leeps or bounds, but Burmistrov most likely will.
Name GP TOI Shots SH% G/60 A1/60 P/60 (sansA2) CorsiOn CorsiRel
Antropov 69 12.42 95 15.8 0.77 0.70 1.47 01.96 01.5
Wellwood 77 12.69 93 19.4 0.74 0.68 1.42 12.65 15.8
Burmistrov 76 13.20 123 10.6 0.60 0.42 1.02 07.24 07.9

BigTuna49 09-06-2012 10:45 PM

^^^ In other words, it depends on ice time and who he plays with. I think he'll make a noticeable improvement even if it's the same ice time.

Gump Hasek 09-06-2012 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garret9 (Post 54140597)
Question remains... Who will get the last top 6 spot? I don`t see Wellwood or Antropov improving on last year numbers by any leeps or bounds, but Burmistrov most likely will.

The key difference in my view is that both Wellwood and Antropov protect the puck much better than does Burmistrov. Wellwood has a bit better wheels versus Antro, so the 2nd line spot is probably Wellwood's, at least to start the season.

RaskY 09-06-2012 11:24 PM

Where do you guys see Burmistrov at his peak?

garret9 09-06-2012 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gump Hasek (Post 54146275)
The key difference in my view is that both Wellwood and Antropov protect the puck much better than does Burmistrov. Wellwood has a bit better wheels versus Antro, so the 2nd line spot is probably Wellwood's, at least to start the season.

I agree pretty much 100%.

Thing is with how Noel shelters the second line would it be better to have puck protection on the third shutdown line?

I think Wellwood is both stronger candidate (for the begining) and better fit since his line-mates will most likely be Joki and Kane (for the begining). I do however think Burmi will be a competent top6 player by the end of this coming season (whether that's through Jets or AHL/KHL via lockout)

garret9 09-06-2012 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaskY (Post 54146531)
Where do you guys see Burmistrov at his peak?

I can see possibly being a avg-to-sub-avg 1st liner ceiling to top tier 2nd linethat can do PP and PK well floor. Very similar to how I currently view Little and potentially Scheifele as well... But Burmi has more time to improve that outcome than LIttle... And Scheif even more than Burmi

vBurmi 09-07-2012 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaskY (Post 54146531)
Where do you guys see Burmistrov at his peak?

Similar to Plekanec - i.e. second-line two-way center maybe with a career year or two close to 70 pts, otherwise mid-50's - but more physical/agitating. He seems to care too much about the defensive side of the game and seems to lack some of the offensive awareness/vision (aside from his noted struggles with gaining the zone) to ever be more than a two-way center, although it is possible given his skill with the puck. He does however seem to like to get under the oppositions skin and I expect we'll see more of that as he feels more comfortable in the league. However, he seems averse to getting involved physically in offensive-generating ways, i.e. battling in front of the net.

Basically, it's too tough to call at this point. Offensively he looks like he has no confidence out there and he's totally lost. Other aspects of his game he looks very comfortable. He's an enigma. I think he'll be a slow developer though.

PierreMcGuire* 09-07-2012 06:28 PM

40-44 points for Buristrov.

surixon 09-08-2012 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vBurmi (Post 54147039)
Similar to Plekanec - i.e. second-line two-way center maybe with a career year or two close to 70 pts, otherwise mid-50's - but more physical/agitating. He seems to care too much about the defensive side of the game and seems to lack some of the offensive awareness/vision (aside from his noted struggles with gaining the zone) to ever be more than a two-way center, although it is possible given his skill with the puck. He does however seem to like to get under the oppositions skin and I expect we'll see more of that as he feels more comfortable in the league. However, he seems averse to getting involved physically in offensive-generating ways, i.e. battling in front of the net.

Basically, it's too tough to call at this point. Offensively he looks like he has no confidence out there and he's totally lost. Other aspects of his game he looks very comfortable. He's an enigma. I think he'll be a slow developer though.

Well said, pretty much sums up my views on him.

Jetsfareast 09-08-2012 10:37 AM

30 goals
44 assist
74 points

AWSAA 09-08-2012 05:22 PM

Re-signing Wellwood was a mistake imo. The guy has no future here and he's going to be taking valuable minutes away from Burmistrov plus Scheifele has almost no shot of making the team now.

The playoffs are still a long shot this season so why not let them get their feet wet now? Come year three the pressure will be on to make the next step .... and we're going to throw Scheifele out there as a rookie?

EpicGingy 09-08-2012 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A_wildstabatanything (Post 54180079)
Re-signing Wellwood was a mistake imo. The guy has no future here and he's going to be taking valuable minutes away from Burmistrov plus Scheifele has almost no shot of making the team now.

The playoffs are still a long shot this season so why not let them get their feet wet now? Come year three the pressure will be on to make the next step .... and we're going to throw Scheifele out there as a rookie?

I could not disagree more.

For one thing, having Wellwood improves our team. If they want to put Burmistrov on the 2nd line, they'll put him on the 2nd line. Point being, Burmistrov needs to earn his way through the team now. Plus, this way if he wants to move up on the team, he'll have more incentive to work hard for it.

I also don't agree that the playoffs are a long shot. We have a legitimate chance at sneaking into the post-season.

Scheifele benefits more from dominating in the OHL than getting 30-40 points in the NHL. With or without Wellwood, he's gonna be treated the same.

TroubaFan1 09-08-2012 05:47 PM

IMO he is one of tougher players to predict. I see him getting aroud 40 points, but it would't shock me if he pushed 60 either.

AWSAA 09-08-2012 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EpicGingy (Post 54180405)
. If they want to put Burmistrov on the 2nd line, they'll put him on the 2nd line. Point being, Burmistrov needs to earn his way through the team now. Plus, this way if he wants to move up on the team, he'll have more incentive to work hard for it.

I guess you have more faith in Noel to make those assessments than I do. Stapleton will never play in the NHL again and he was regularly awarded PP time last year over Burmi, even Kane in some games. Burmi was one of our best forwards to start last season, his play quickly trailed off after being demoted unexplicably. This team is lacking high end skill and will never be a major player in FA. We can't expect any future success if the young core talent doesn't maximize their potential/asset value and Burmistrov is one of those key pieces.

King Woodballs 09-08-2012 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A_wildstabatanything (Post 54182313)
I guess you have more faith in Noel than I do. Look at all the PP time Stapleton was rewarded with last year over guys like Burmi, even Kane some games.... and he'll never play in the NHL again.

in all fairness

neither one of them played like they deserved the pp for good portions of the season

Stapleton played the point because he could shoot the puck 95mph

EpicGingy 09-08-2012 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A_wildstabatanything (Post 54182313)
I guess you have more faith in Noel to make those assessments than I do. Stapleton will never play in the NHL again and he was regularly awarded PP time last year over Burmi, even Kane in some games. Burmi was one of our best forwards to start last season, his play quickly trailed off after being demoted unexplicably. This team is lacking high end skill and will never be a major player in FA. We can't expect any future success if the young core talent doesn't maximize their potential/asset value and Burmistrov is one of those key pieces.

Yes, Burmistrov is the very key to future success! Without him, Scheifele, Bogosian, Kane, Wheeler, and Trouba will surely fail!

It's great if he succeeds, but he's gonna succeed or fail with or without Wellwood.

You earn your place in the NHL, you don't get it handed to you on a silver platter. We're not gonna let Wellwood, who just had a career year, walk. It makes our team worse.


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