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Burgs 09-05-2012 08:43 AM

Penguins #25 prospect
 
And here it is, our last poll before a thousand years of darkness a likely lockout. Added Sneep. Not that it matters anymore.


2012 poll results

#1 Joe Morrow (45.37% in #1 poll, 52.00% in runoff)
#2 Simon Després (43.98% in #1 poll, 48.00% in runoff)
#3 Brian Dumoulin (38.15%)
#4 Beau Bennett (35.50%)
#5 Derrick Pouliot (43.21%)
#6 Scott Harrington (58.33%)
#7 Olli Määttä (87.40%)
#8 Eric Tangradi (61.65%)
#9 Robert Bortuzzo (33.33%)
#10 Brian Strait (42.06%)

#11 Tom Kühnhackl (44.80%)
#12 Teddy Blueger (38.02%)
#13 Ben Hanowski (47.57%)
#14 Dominik Uher (31.58%)
#15 Matia Marcantuoni (41.67%)
#16 Kenny Agostino (30.38% in #16 poll, 56.72% in runoff)
#17 Nick D'Agostino (31.65% in #16 poll, 43.28% in runoff)
#18 Scott Wilson (28.40%)
#19 Anton Zlobin (20.22%)
#20 Oscar Sundqvist (26.83%)

#21 Keven Veilleux (31.43%)
#22 Matt Murray (27.59%)
#23 Josh Archibald (30.65%)
#24 Harrison Ruopp (58.46%)

Konstantin Koltsov 09-05-2012 10:24 AM

Has to be Zatkoff because he has a Z name and it's the last spot on the list. Also, he's 25 and it's the 25th spot. It's a no-brainer people.

KareemTrustfund 09-05-2012 11:34 AM

It's kinda funny how THN's list of the Penguins top 10 prospects has Samuelsson at 10, but he might not make our top 25.

Crafton 09-05-2012 11:54 AM

novelty vote for Sneep

Tasty Biscuits 09-05-2012 12:13 PM

4 more novelty votes to go. Come on, people!

Sidney the Kidney 09-05-2012 12:48 PM

Samuelsson. I think bloodlines alone guarantees he gets at least a cup of tea in the NHL. Whether he'll ever stick is another topic.

regard 09-05-2012 12:56 PM

Still picking Zatkoff, we could use a future backup goalie.

Tasty Biscuits 09-05-2012 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sidney the Kidney (Post 54107435)
Samuelsson. I think bloodlines alone guarantees he gets at least a cup of tea in the NHL. Whether he'll ever stick is another topic.

Is there a difference between a cup of coffee and a cup of tea? :sarcasm:

Sidney the Kidney 09-06-2012 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tasty Biscuits (Post 54107741)
Is there a difference between a cup of coffee and a cup of tea? :sarcasm:

He's European. They prefer their tea. ;)

JTG 09-06-2012 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KareemTrustfund (Post 54105735)
It's kinda funny how THN's list of the Penguins top 10 prospects has Samuelsson at 10, but he might not make our top 25.

That's why it's funny to look back at old rankings. When you look back to Chicago's in 2004...

1. Anton Babchuk
2. Cam Barker
3. Brent Seabrook
4. Craig Anderson
5. Igor Radulov
6. Michael Yakubov
7. Pavel Vorobiev
8. Corey Crawford
9. James Wisniewski
10. Michal Barinka

...that was their top 10.

Who would of thunk that a Norris winner would have been ranked 19th?

Le Magnifique 66 09-06-2012 07:48 AM

Samuelsson

IHWR 09-06-2012 08:46 AM


alexfr 09-06-2012 07:19 PM

I would think the best option would be Samuelsson, I don't know if Zatkoff really cuts it as our best option here as a 25 year old backup

vecens24 09-06-2012 07:40 PM

I went with Carl Sneeo simply because he didn't look terrible I didn't think when he was up with us last year, and at the 25th spot in rankings, you're pretty much very unlikely to be talking about an NHLer.

JTG 09-06-2012 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vecens24 (Post 54141375)
I went with Carl Sneeo simply because he didn't look terrible I didn't think when he was up with us last year, and at the 25th spot in rankings, you're pretty much very unlikely to be talking about an NHLer.

Duncan Keith was ranked 19th

vecens24 09-06-2012 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JTG (Post 54141499)
Duncan Keith was ranked 19th

Awesome straw man at least. Of COURSE there will be exceptions to the rule. It's easy to find them. But most of the time, the 25th best prospect in a system is NOT going to be an NHLer. You're smart enough to know that, JTG.

JTG 09-06-2012 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vecens24 (Post 54141857)
Awesome straw man at least. Of COURSE there will be exceptions to the rule. It's easy to find them. But most of the time, the 25th best prospect in a system is NOT going to be an NHLer. You're smart enough to know that, JTG.

And you're smart enough to know, just by looking back over the years, that these rankings are a bunch of *********. Guys who people thought would be awesome are horrible, and guys who aren't even on the radar turn into really good NHL players.

These rankings are nothing more than a popularity contest. I have as much confidence in Samuelsson or Rust making it to the NHL as Hanowski or Zioban or guys ranked much higher.

And honestly, if Samuelsson comes in this year and does really well in WBS, he'll be a lock for top 10 next year. Round and round it goes.

vecens24 09-06-2012 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JTG (Post 54142137)
And you're smart enough to know, just by looking back over the years, that these rankings are a bunch of *********. Guys who people thought would be awesome are horrible, and guys who aren't even on the radar turn into really good NHL players.

These rankings are nothing more than a popularity contest.

Oh absolutely. I totally agree there. But we're doing them and participating in them. So why not pick the person you think has the best chance of being an NHLer? Basically by saying that, you're pretty much marginalizing the process here. Which of course it's not a perfect process.

My way of saying who I'd think is the 25th best prospect in the Penguins system is by saying who I think has the best chance of being an NHLer at all. In that regard, I think Sneep has shown the most since he was up and didn't look totally out of place. I'm sure you think of things differently, and that's totally okay.

td_ice 09-06-2012 08:35 PM

Went McNeill.

Burgs 09-07-2012 09:39 AM

Aaaaannnd we're done! Zatkoff takes the 25th spot, no doubt due to Konstantin Koltsov's flawless argument here. So this is the final list, and some statistical trivia:

2012 poll results

#1 Joe Morrow (45.37% in #1 poll, 52.00% in runoff)
#2 Simon Després (43.98% in #1 poll, 48.00% in runoff)
#3 Brian Dumoulin (38.15%)
#4 Beau Bennett (35.50%)
#5 Derrick Pouliot (43.21%)
#6 Scott Harrington (58.33%)
#7 Olli Määttä (87.40%)
#8 Eric Tangradi (61.65%)
#9 Robert Bortuzzo (33.33%)
#10 Brian Strait (42.06%)

#11 Tom Kühnhackl (44.80%)
#12 Teddy Blueger (38.02%)
#13 Ben Hanowski (47.57%)
#14 Dominik Uher (31.58%)
#15 Matia Marcantuoni (41.67%)
#16 Kenny Agostino (30.38% in #16 poll, 56.72% in runoff)
#17 Nick D'Agostino (31.65% in #16 poll, 43.28% in runoff)
#18 Scott Wilson (28.40%)
#19 Anton Zlobin (20.22%)
#20 Oscar Sundqvist (26.83%)

#21 Keven Veilleux (31.43%)
#22 Matt Murray (27.59%)
#23 Josh Archibald (30.65%)
#24 Harrison Ruopp (58.46%)
#25 Jeff Zatkoff (34.38%)


Compared to last year:
Biggest risers: Uher (ca. +11), Wilson (ca. +7), Hanowski (+7), Morrow (+4 and new top dog)
Biggest fallers: Samuelsson (-12), Thompson (-11), Veilleux (-10), Tangradi (-6), Kühnhackl (-5)
Highest new entry: Dumoulin (#3)
Graduated: Jeffrey (#4), Vitale (#15)
Traded/Waived: Johnson (#12)
Busted: Thiessen (#10) ?


All-prospect team weighed by rank and position:

Tangradi - Blueger - Bennett
Kühnhackl - Hanowski - Marcantuoni
Wilson - Uher - Agostino
Veilleux - Sundqvist - Zlobin
Archibald

Morrow - Despres
Dumoulin - Pouliot
Harrington - Määttä
Strait - Bortuzzo

Murray
Zatkoff

Pretty crazy how the entire defense is in our top 10. Center and goalie depth are weak, wingers look better than previously.

rmartin65 09-07-2012 10:48 AM

Thanks for running this thing Burgs.

Our prospect list looks a ton better than it did last year. Hopefully some of these guys pan out the way we anticipate!

UnrealMachine 09-07-2012 11:51 AM

I hope Murray can be a strong influence and good mentor for Zatkoff.

Tasty Biscuits 09-07-2012 12:18 PM

It's a prospect poll, not an NHL-readiness poll.

Crafton 09-07-2012 12:33 PM

i'm still intrigued by the likes of Samuelsson and McNeill and post-top 25 i take that as a good sign.

D U M B A 09-10-2012 05:35 PM

Sorry this is sort of off topic but I can't believe Maata fell that far at the draft. He has to be one of the best steals in the first round.

I remember the HFBoards faithful criticized our team's first pick in the draft (Matthew Dumba (#7 overall) and Derrick Pouliot (#8 overall), respectively) so it'd be nice if those two could become stars.

If the NHL locks out, what is the likelihood that any of the top 25 make the AHL team? I'm getting the AHL internet package to mostly watch the Wild's AHL team because 7 of our top prospects are going to Houston. I follow the Penguins almost as equally as the Wild. But I didn't know who was going to Wilkes-Barre.


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