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bluemandan 09-05-2012 03:21 PM

Is there a limit to how far in the future a pick can be traded?
 
Quite simply, can a team trade their, say, 2020 1st rounder?

InfinityIggy 09-05-2012 03:22 PM

I believe its 4 years, don't quote me on it though.

CBJenga 09-05-2012 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InfinityIggy (Post 54111281)
I believe its 4 years, don't quote me on it though.

Too late. You've been quoted.


However, I second that 4 year thing but I can't for the life of me remember where I've heard it.

neutral zone trap13 09-05-2012 03:53 PM

The most I've ever seen is two years

DohBruins 09-05-2012 04:45 PM

I don't think there is, but i could be wrong. If i were a GM i wouldnt trade/trade for any thing longer than 3 years.

Also the Gretzky trade included a pick five years in the future.

Rpro 09-05-2012 04:47 PM

Furthest future draft pick i can recall ever being traded was the kings '93 first round pick to the Oilers from a trade made between the two teams in '88. I can't quite recall the players involved in the deal however.... . . . .

VanW27 09-05-2012 05:00 PM

There definitely is a limit, couldn't tell you what t is though

Rivet52 09-05-2012 05:05 PM

There has to be some sort of limit. Could you imagine how much of a shot in the dark the pick would be if it was in say, 2020? So much can change between now and then and a team could go through a rebuild, a Cup win, and another rebuild in that time frame.

DohBruins 09-05-2012 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rpro (Post 54113437)
Furthest future draft pick i can recall ever being traded was the kings '93 first round pick to the Oilers from a trade made between the two teams in '88. I can't quite recall the players involved in the deal however.... . . . .

It was the Gretzky trade

BoltSTH 09-05-2012 05:16 PM

Offer sheet compensation goes up to 4 1st (your own), so it must be at least 4 years

Rpro 09-05-2012 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryan02190 (Post 54113991)
It was the Gretzky trade

Well I guess the smiley was necessary.

InfinityIggy 09-05-2012 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoltSTH (Post 54114053)
Offer sheet compensation goes up to 4 1st (your own), so it must be at least 4 years

I think that's why I figured it was 4 actually.

Koto 09-05-2012 05:29 PM

i thought it was 2 with an exception for OS comp.

Mad Habber 09-05-2012 05:42 PM

I've never heard of a limit. I'd actually be surprised if there was one. But you never know.

You'd be hard pressed to find a GM willing to trade for a draft pick that far in the future. It doesn't help the team's immediate future. And most GM's don't look that far ahead into the future.

You also have to remember that a 1st rounder 10 years from now isn't worth a 1st rounder right now. They kind of lose value with time. Sort of like money. $1 million in 10 years is worth less than a $1 million today. A 1st rounder in 10 years might be worth a 3rd rounder today or something like that.

LatvianTwist 09-05-2012 05:47 PM

Pretty sure they don't even need one, but I remember it being 5 for some reason.

rgb63 09-05-2012 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Habber (Post 54114553)
IYou also have to remember that a 1st rounder 10 years from now isn't worth a 1st rounder right now. They kind of lose value with time. Sort of like money. $1 million in 10 years is worth less than a $1 million today. A 1st rounder in 10 years might be worth a 3rd rounder today or something like that.

Sort of like money, but not at all.

Draft picks do not lose value over time. A pick in 2013 is worth the same in 2013 as a pick in 2020 would be worth in 2020. A first rounder is a first rounder.

$1M however, would be worth different in 2020 because of inflation or deflation.

*I am not saying that a 2020 pick in 2013 is worth the same as a 2013 pick in 2013.

Seachd 09-05-2012 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Habber (Post 54114553)
I've never heard of a limit. I'd actually be surprised if there was one. But you never

I agree. I've never heard of a limit. I doubt there needs to be one.

danishh 09-05-2012 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgb63 (Post 54114891)
Sort of like money, but not at all.

Draft picks do not lose value over time. A pick in 2013 is worth the same in 2013 as a pick in 2020 would be worth in 2020. A first rounder is a first rounder.

$1M however, would be worth different in 2020 because of inflation or deflation.

*I am not saying that a 2020 pick in 2013 is worth the same as a 2013 pick in 2013.

and time, development, and games played on your team are not comparable to inflation? Not to mention the fact that predicting the value of an individual team's pick beyond 4-5 years (or arguably even less) is practically impossible.

Grant 09-05-2012 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgb63 (Post 54114891)
Sort of like money, but not at all.

Draft picks do not lose value over time. A pick in 2013 is worth the same in 2013 as a pick in 2020 would be worth in 2020. A first rounder is a first rounder.

$1M however, would be worth different in 2020 because of inflation or deflation.

*I am not saying that a 2020 pick in 2013 is worth the same as a 2013 pick in 2013.

I disagree, a pick in 2013 is not worth the same in 2020. By the time 2020 rolls around, that first round pick in 2013 will have already had time to develop and will almost certainly be contributing by 2020. If they are not contributing by then, I think it would safe to call them a bust by that point.

That's what the point the other poster I believe was trying to make. Assuming all draft classes have equal players at every pick, a 1st round in 2013, say 10th overall, will be more valuable than the 10th overall pick in 2014 and much more valuable than the 10th overall in 2020 due to development and time invested in the player already.

rgb63 09-05-2012 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Grant (Post 54115173)
I disagree, a pick in 2013 is not worth the same in 2020. By the time 2020 rolls around, that first round pick in 2013 will have already had time to develop and will almost certainly be contributing by 2020. If they are not contributing by then, I think it would safe to call them a bust by that point.

That's what the point the other poster I believe was trying to make. Assuming all draft classes have equal players at every pick, a 1st round in 2013, say 10th overall, will be more valuable than the 10th overall pick in 2014 and much more valuable than the 10th overall in 2020 due to development and time invested in the player already.

Quote:

Originally Posted by danishh (Post 54115025)
and time, development, and games played on your team are not comparable to inflation? Not to mention the fact that predicting the value of an individual team's pick beyond 4-5 years (or arguably even less) is practically impossible.

I wasn't disagreeing with his general thought, just his money analogy.

5 Hole 09-05-2012 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Habber (Post 54114553)
You also have to remember that a 1st rounder 10 years from now isn't worth a 1st rounder right now. They kind of lose value with time. Sort of like money. $1 million in 10 years is worth less than a $1 million today.

A pound of feathers weighs less than a pound of lead.

5 Hole 09-05-2012 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgb63 (Post 54114891)
$1M however, would be worth different in 2020 because of inflation or deflation..

It's worth $1 million.. no matter what.

jumptheshark 09-05-2012 07:28 PM

6 years was the longest one I saw back in the 80s--a second rounder I think

KingJet* 09-05-2012 07:46 PM

1st round picks are like cars, they loose value, or their like a lottery ticket, you win some, you loose some, so, its basically a lottery ticket, or they loose value, cause the team could either suck or win the stanley cup.

Rorschach 09-05-2012 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryan02190 (Post 54113991)
It was the Gretzky trade

You need to fix your sarcasm detector, it might be broken.


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