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Dekesyuk 09-06-2012 10:06 AM

Damien Brunner #96 Get excited!
 
I mean this guy is good i think, by the way hes right handed and loves to shoot. But what do you think? I think hes a great prospect and great edition

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fuYp...eature=related

wingnutjeff 09-06-2012 10:30 AM

A lot on that video looked like bad goaltending but I think he has potential.

Tomas W 09-06-2012 10:38 AM

It looks like he has good puckcontrol and strong wrists, however the D looked passive a lot of times in that vid. In the NHL he wont get that much time very often.

Of course though, many goals, even in the NHL, is an effect of not so great defense.

SoupNazi 09-06-2012 10:38 AM

I'm eager to see what he can do.

ProPAIN 09-06-2012 10:53 AM

According to Ansar (too lazy to find the article, but it's quite recent) he'll be taking #24 (Rusty Salei's old number) if he plays for the Wings.

I like the fact that he has an for the net. Seems to have a really good shot and skates well too. If he can adapt to the NA game and become a Semin-type sniper, I think that would be awesome. I don't expect him to put up huge numbers though, but he could be a good option to have since RHS skaters are rare for us.

Howard35 09-06-2012 11:26 AM

I would be ok with a player with blazing speed and some actual hands. Take notes, Helm. I would be shocked if he ever exceeded 20-25 goals, though.

RedWingsNow* 09-06-2012 11:29 AM

Don't give up on Brunner during the first half of the video -- He looks pretty bad in the first half. But he looks a lot better in the second half

fimoknete 09-06-2012 11:57 AM

looks like a beer league to me.
i mean there are often all defense man out of postion or standing still. the goalies are looking awful.
you cant really see wether he is capable or the others are uncapable.
i wanna see this tricky moves vs the doughtys, charas or letangs of the nhl. but i highly doubt he can do this in the nhl.

Konnan511 09-06-2012 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fimoknete (Post 54130857)
looks like a beer league to me.
i mean there are often all defense man out of postion or standing still. the goalies are looking awful.
you cant really see wether he is capable or the others are uncapable.
i wanna see this tricky moves vs the doughtys, charas or letangs of the nhl. but i highly doubt he can do this in the nhl.

Luckily he won't have to face the top pair DMen. He will likely be against second and third pairs. He doesn't have to dangle defenders he just has to find open spots with that speed.

Huddy* 09-06-2012 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wingnutjeff (Post 54129195)
A lot on that video looked like bad goaltending but I think he has potential.

As always, someone from this forum points out the bad:handclap::handclap:

TatarTangle 09-06-2012 12:46 PM

Brunner - Helm - Tatar would arguably be one of the fastest lines in the NHL, and one I would try if there were going to be a training camp.

RedWingsNow* 09-06-2012 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDrake28 (Post 54131917)
Brunner - Helm - Tatar would arguably be one of the fastest lines in the NHL, and one I would try if there were going to be a training camp.

Tatar Helm Mursak

I watched the video and I'm not sold that Brunner's speed is quite what people are saying

torero 09-06-2012 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fimoknete (Post 54130857)
looks like a beer league to me.
i mean there are often all defense man out of postion or standing still. the goalies are looking awful.
you cant really see wether he is capable or the others are uncapable.
i wanna see this tricky moves vs the doughtys, charas or letangs of the nhl. but i highly doubt he can do this in the nhl.

I remember Brunner and other swiss forwards making some legitimate 1 line NHLers D look like pylons in WM's or in Olympic games in some moments.

last year, when the NHL teams came to Europe ... Zug (where Brunner was playing) won 8-4 vs the Rangers. And it could have been 10 or more ... ! luck was on the NYR side.

I am not saying that he will destroy all defense in the NHL ... ! he will have to adjust and hopefully he will make it.

But i simply don't like people criticising easly another league and caling it a beer league and saying the goalies are bad ... on 5 seconds vids of poor quality ! Watch, if not an entire game, at least a decent sample and make your opinion.

Frk It 09-06-2012 01:44 PM

The video footage is good because it shows that he has the ability. He has the ability to skate, he has the ability to make nifty moves with the puck, he has the ability to place his shot very well. That is promising. But we just have to see how that ability and those tools translate to the North American game, and the best players in the world. On one hand it is very good, because he has the ability and play style to offer things that lack on this team, ie: good skater, right-handed, shooter mentality, accurate wrist shot. But really it's just all about how he makes the adjustment, and if he can process the game at a much higher speed. And be more selective on when he chooses to throw in a toe-drag or try to curl back a wrist shot against NHL d-men. I like the raw ability though.

Z40 09-06-2012 02:35 PM

I think Brunner's biggest enemy in the NHL will be less space. I'm still excited to see how he fits in with us. He has a great wrist-shot. And he's right-handed--something we desperately need.

Dekesyuk 09-06-2012 02:46 PM

Hes supposed to be a top 6 skater though so hes going to be playing with either Z or Pav, you dont have to do much besides get open with those two on your line. Even Hudler looked nice when he played with Z and hes a clown. Let pav pass to someone who will shoot :) . oh god i can see the points now

fimoknete 09-06-2012 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by torero (Post 54132773)
I remember Brunner and other swiss forwards making some legitimate 1 line NHLers D look like pylons in WM's or in Olympic games in some moments.

But i simply don't like people criticising easly another league and calling it a beer league and saying the goalies are bad

now you can see thats it is very difficult to adjust to new dimension ice rinks. the nhl defender u mentioned had only a few days to adjust. brunner will have much more time. so i am positiv that he will adjust. lets see then how he is doing vs d-man on their home ice.

just watch the video and pay only attention to the defender. they are acting silly, skating slow or not at all and are out of position. getting backhanders and shots from the center line into the net doesnt let the goalies look like patrick roy either.

unless i have nothing to compare brunner to nhl d-man on a nhl ice i am sceptic that he will be a legit top6 forward. but the time will discover it.

Frk It 09-06-2012 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fimoknete (Post 54135135)
just watch the video and pay only attention to the defender. they are acting silly, skating slow or not at all and are out of position. getting backhanders and shots from the center line into the net doesnt let the goalies look like patrick roy either.

It is much more constructive to watch the video and focus on Brunner. Regardless of the defender or goalie, he shows that he has the ability and skill set to do some good things offensively. Regardless of the positioning or reflexes of the goalies in the swiss league, he is still picking corners with his shots in the video, and his wrist shot still looks like a good asset. Regardless of the size of the rink or skill of defenseman in the Swiss league, he still shows some creative stickhandling and good coordination. Obviously we will have to see how all of that translates to the NHL, but you should be paying more attention to what Brunner does than the competition at this point. We know the competition is inferior. The ability and skill is there, he just has to do it against better players with less space and time. It's really that simple. If he can he could be pretty good, if he can't, I'm sure Nyquist can ;). Time will tell.

jroc86 09-06-2012 03:14 PM

Brunner will be a fixture in Detroit for years to come - calling it now.

ProPAIN 09-06-2012 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fimoknete (Post 54130857)
looks like a beer league to me.
i mean there are often all defense man out of postion or standing still. the goalies are looking awful.
you cant really see wether he is capable or the others are uncapable.
i wanna see this tricky moves vs the doughtys, charas or letangs of the nhl. but i highly doubt he can do this in the nhl.

Oh look another pessimistic post about the future of the Wings or a Wings player. You and mindfickle really make us Euros look bad...

Quote:

Originally Posted by fimoknete (Post 54135135)
just watch the video and pay only attention to the defender. they are acting silly, skating slow or not at all and are out of position. getting backhanders and shots from the center line into the net doesnt let the goalies look like patrick roy either.

Doesn't that usually happen when someone scores a goal, he beats the opposing defenseman or makes the goalie look silly.



Mother of god those Nashville defenseman suck, right?

ProPAIN 09-06-2012 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bob (Post 54130297)
Don't give up on Brunner during the first half of the video -- He looks pretty bad in the first half. But he looks a lot better in the second half

I don't know what you're talking about. I think the whole video shows some really good things.

1. He's always looking to crash the net. He looks to go to the middle of the ice and not skate around the net or along the boards. That's a nice change of pace

2. He plays his angles well. If a defenseman is in front of him he'll drag the puck to open up a shooting lane. He seems like an intelligent player in terms of making the most of every situation. He even uses the defenseman to disguise his shot. At around 2:50 he snaps it top corner using the defenseman as cover.

3. When he's looking to get himself into a shooting position, he has the good practice of protecting the puck behind him before quickly getting a shot off. He uses his edges well. Which is why I said his skating looks really good. Not speed wise, but technique.

4. He pulls the Crosby, Granlund move which shows us that he isn't some "beer league" amateur from Europe but he has legitimate skill and likes to try something different (like Datsyuk). Again, making something, out of nothing.

5. He's confident going one on one against goalies.

6. He pulls a Datsyuk/Giroux move near the end. Toe drag. He's good in my book. :nod:

Rzombo4 prez 09-06-2012 04:45 PM

The labor situation could be helpful for Brunner. I could see him practicing and playing on small ice in GR before the NHL season even gets going. I think that could certainly be good for his transition.

The Zetterberg Era 09-06-2012 05:36 PM



went ahead and put the video in here so people don't have to follow the link. Could do without the music selection...

Guy has good hands and a very good release. I think what I like most is that he goes upstairs and it gets there in a hurry.

With that said I will agree with Captain Bob on the start of the video. If he thinks he is going to be able to walk into the middle like that in NA he is going to be staring at the rafters while the puck heads the other direction.

I really like the way he skates and he finishes in a variety of ways. Has an absolute handle on the puck and important he does it with his head up one of my gripes about both Brunnstrom and Leino was how much their head was down. Something you will see out of the talent in Europe a lot more than in NA in my opinion.

If they do lockout I don't envy the AHL defenses tasked with chasing Nyquist, Brunner, Jurco, Pare and Tatar around the rink. They might be smaller (except Jurco) but all of those guys are very slippery and a headache to check all night.

TradeBait 09-06-2012 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProPAIN (Post 54136219)
I don't know what you're talking about. I think the whole video shows some really good things.

1. He's always looking to crash the net. He looks to go to the middle of the ice and not skate around the net or along the boards. That's a nice change of pace

2. He plays his angles well. If a defenseman is in front of him he'll drag the puck to open up a shooting lane. He seems like an intelligent player in terms of making the most of every situation. He even uses the defenseman to disguise his shot. At around 2:50 he snaps it top corner using the defenseman as cover.

3. When he's looking to get himself into a shooting position, he has the good practice of protecting the puck behind him before quickly getting a shot off. He uses his edges well. Which is why I said his skating looks really good. Not speed wise, but technique.

4. He pulls the Crosby, Granlund move which shows us that he isn't some "beer league" amateur from Europe but he has legitimate skill and likes to try something different (like Datsyuk). Again, making something, out of nothing.

5. He's confident going one on one against goalies.

6. He pulls a Datsyuk/Giroux move near the end. Toe drag. He's good in my book. :nod:

...it was a highlight montage :huh:

JmanWingsFan 09-06-2012 08:20 PM

Really wanna know what this guy could do on Datsyuk's wing.


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