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crump 09-07-2012 06:58 PM

"New Era of MLSE Unfolding" hunt for new CEO
 
http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/...igue-unfolding

Interesting bit of of an inside look at the new owners.

Also an interview with current Tom Anselmi
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/...is-a-priority/

thebluemachine* 09-07-2012 07:02 PM

Another great hit piece on Burke by the one and only Cox.

Longshot 09-07-2012 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by thebluemachine (Post 54163281)
Another great hit piece on Burke by the one and only Cox.

Huh? Where was the "hit?"

Cox called him "brash", "hard nosed" and "aggressive." I don't see anything there that most people wouldn't say about Burke.

He also speculated that Burke might not be safe in his position if the Leafs don't make the playoffs this season. Nothing new there, nor would that qualify as unfair or a "hit."

I thought the column was mostly old news. A CEO retired and new ownership took over. Of course there is going to be corporate intrigue.

What I did find interesting was his comment that there were some within Rogers and Bell that wanted a complete house cleaning of the basketball and hockey executives. That's the first time I've read or heard anything beyond: "Even with new owners, it's business as usual at MLSE..."

thebluemachine* 09-07-2012 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Longshot (Post 54164907)
Huh? Where was the "hit?"

Cox called him "brash", "hard nosed" and "aggressive." I don't see anything there that most people wouldn't say about Burke.

He also speculated that Burke might not be safe in his position if the Leafs don't make the playoffs this season. Nothing new there, nor would that qualify as unfair or a "hit."

I thought the column was mostly old news. A CEO retired and new ownership took over. Of course there is going to be corporate intrigue.

What I did find interesting was his comment that there were some within Rogers and Bell that wanted a complete house cleaning of the basketball and hockey executives. That's the first time I've read or heard anything beyond: "Even with new owners, it's business as usual at MLSE..."

Cox doesn't have a clue about what some unknown future CEO will think yet he decides to write that Burke will lose his job because he can see the future. So basically more filler that did'nt need to be included in the article but it was because Cox just like the other 99% of Toronto "sports" media is mostly trash.

Interactif 09-07-2012 08:51 PM

Why do people always perpetuate the myth Cox is anti Leaf or anti Burke?

Simmons on the other hand I can see.

Longshot 09-07-2012 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Interactif (Post 54165305)
Why do people always perpetuate the myth Cox is anti Leaf or anti Burke?

That's what's funny. Cox has probably been more pro-Burke than anybody. Over and over Cox has written that sometimes rebuilds take a long time and that the Leafs are in a much stronger position under Burke than they have been in years.

Disgruntled Observer* 09-07-2012 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by thebluemachine (Post 54165101)
Cox doesn't have a clue about what some unknown future CEO will think yet he decides to write that Burke will lose his job because he can see the future. So basically more filler that did'nt need to be included in the article but it was because Cox just like the other 99% of Toronto "sports" media is mostly trash.

The typical fan of a sports team is clouded by bias, and seem to always think that things are going well for their team. Even when thing aren't going well. Even when things are going flat out terribly. Even when things are almost rock bottom for a 100 year old franchise.

Sports media are often much more impartial. But being that the typical fan is for some reason utterly unable to see things objectively, they usually hate the local sports media for the "sin" of analyzing the team realistically.

Interactif 09-07-2012 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Longshot (Post 54165347)
That's what's funny. Cox has probably been more pro-Burke than anybody. Over and over Cox has written that sometimes rebuilds take a long time and that the Leafs are in a much stronger position under Burke than they have been in years.

Agreed he was one reporter that never blasted Burke for the Kessel trade either, he also wrote some of his best work in years following the Leafs Farm club "the Marlies" on their Calder Cup run.

He's not a cheerleader, and that is fine by me.

When a reporter is a yes man, I'd rather not read them at all.

Longshot 09-07-2012 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Interactif (Post 54165305)

Simmons on the other hand I can see.

I enjoy reading both, but Cox is a far better analytical writer than Simmons.

Steve Simmons is often all over the place with his views. He wants to rebuild, but he wants to win now. He thinks the Blue Jays have taken a huge step back this year, but ignores the bizarre string of injuries that have taken their toll.

In many ways he is just like an impatient fan that is up or down depending on the current game situation.

thebluemachine* 09-07-2012 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Interactif (Post 54165305)
Why do people always perpetuate the myth Cox is anti Leaf or anti Burke?

Simmons on the other hand I can see.

:laugh:

They're cut from the same cloth, one just has a bald head and the other one is almost there.

Interactif 09-07-2012 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Longshot (Post 54165431)
I enjoy reading both, but Cox is a far better analytical writer than Simmons.

Steve Simmons is often all over the place with his views. He wants to rebuild, but he wants to win now. He thinks the Blue Jays have taken a huge step back this year, but ignores the bizarre string of injuries that have taken their toll.

In many ways he is just like an impatient fan that is up or down depending on the current game situation.

Simmons is awful, I laugh more at what he writes than even get a rise out of his attempts at trolling.

Cox shouldn't even be even mentioned with a slug like Steve.

Longshot 09-07-2012 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Interactif (Post 54165481)
Simmons is awful, I laugh more at what he writes than even get a rise out of his attempts at trolling.

Cox shouldn't even be even mentioned with a slug like Steve.

I think Simmons is an excellent writer - even if I don't agree with all of the content that he produces. Sometimes I think he takes an overly simplistic view of things in a black and white kind of manner.

thebluemachine* 09-07-2012 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Interactif (Post 54165417)
Agreed he was one reporter that never blasted Burke for the Kessel trade either, he also wrote some of his best work in years following the Leafs Farm club "the Marlies" on their Calder Cup run.

He's not a cheerleader, and that is fine by me.

When a reporter is a yes man, I'd rather not read them at all.

Yet here he is just a few months ago saying the Leafs should turn the page and trade our only legit young star when he's exactly the last problem on our team.

Cox: Toronto Maple Leafs need to turn page on Phil Kessel


Pretty obvious why a newspaper reporter should never run a sports franchise.

The Messenger 09-07-2012 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by crump (Post 54163205)
http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/...igue-unfolding

Interesting bit of of an inside look at the new owners.

Also an interview with current Tom Anselmi
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/...is-a-priority/

Nothing against Cox but anyone one of us here could have written a similar article. There is absolutely no meat in that story and nothing new.

eyeball11 09-07-2012 10:03 PM

"Would Rogers prefer a different style of hockey man, or does it embrace Burke’s championship pedigree and take-no-prisoners style?"

The only thing worth noting in any of this is Bell. Rogers has pretty clearly shown over the past decade they aren't interested in winning and competing with the big boys.

ULF_55 09-07-2012 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Dancer (Post 54165671)
Nothing against Cox but anyone one of us here could have written a similar article. There is absolutely no meat in that story and nothing new.

I'd guess we discuss things much more than the typical fan though.

achtungbaby 09-08-2012 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Northern Dancer (Post 54165671)
Nothing against Cox but anyone one of us here could have written a similar article. There is absolutely no meat in that story and nothing new.

Go get a job in the sports section and write a article about the leafs in the offseason on the verge of a lockout and prove it.:). I agree with you, but it's something to talk about apparently. Why complain about it?

The Apologist 09-08-2012 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by achtungbaby (Post 54168961)
Go get a job in the sports section and write a article about the leafs in the offseason on the verge of a lockout and prove it.:). I agree with you, but it's something to talk about apparently. Why complain about it?

Isn't that what these boards are for?

Joey Hoser 09-08-2012 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by achtungbaby (Post 54168961)
Go get a job in the sports section and write a article about the leafs in the offseason on the verge of a lockout and prove it.:). I agree with you, but it's something to talk about apparently. Why complain about it?

You think this is some brilliant piece of writing that couldn't be matched?

The Messenger 09-08-2012 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by achtungbaby (Post 54168961)
Go get a job in the sports section and write a article about the leafs in the offseason on the verge of a lockout and prove it.:). I agree with you, but it's something to talk about apparently. Why complain about it?

Wasn't complaining.;)

birddog* 09-08-2012 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by crump (Post 54163205)
http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/...igue-unfolding

Interesting bit of of an inside look at the new owners.

Also an interview with current Tom Anselmi
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/...is-a-priority/

Leafs -- 35 W -- 47 L -- 5th last
Raptors -- 23 W -- 43 L -- 8th last
FC -- 5 W -- 16 L -- Dead last


Apparently there is lots of money in losing. Let's face it a group of well trained baboons could do as well. Probably better since they'd finish dead last and get some decent prospects. MLSE is a ****ing joke.

The Apologist 09-08-2012 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by birddog (Post 54171305)
Leafs -- 35 W -- 47 L -- 5th last
Raptors -- 23 W -- 43 L -- 8th last
FC -- 5 W -- 16 L -- Dead last


Apparently there is lots of money in losing. Let's face it a group of well trained baboons could do as well. Probably better since they'd finish dead last and get some decent prospects. MLSE is a ****ing joke.

Don't forget to add in the prized possession of our new owners. Those Blue Jays are something else eh?

Interactif 09-08-2012 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by thebluemachine (Post 54165641)
Yet here he is just a few months ago saying the Leafs should turn the page and trade our only legit young star when he's exactly the last problem on our team.

Cox: Toronto Maple Leafs need to turn page on Phil Kessel


Pretty obvious why a newspaper reporter should never run a sports franchise.

I recall this article, how is this a hatchet job on the Leafs? He never had a problem with Kessel the player, infact he has been nothing but complimentary about him. All he was saying is Burke may be put in position of trading Kessel before his next contract comes up, I have posted similar, to get quality you have to give up quality, and I doubt there are many bigger Leafs fans than myself. So if I can think this, Cox can certaintly, he's not paid to be a Cheerleader.

thebluemachine* 09-08-2012 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Disgruntled Observer (Post 54165395)
The typical fan of a sports team is clouded by bias, and seem to always think that things are going well for their team. Even when thing aren't going well. Even when things are going flat out terribly. Even when things are almost rock bottom for a 100 year old franchise.

Sports media are often much more impartial. But being that the typical fan is for some reason utterly unable to see things objectively, they usually hate the local sports media for the "sin" of analyzing the team realistically.

Your view of "typical" sports fans is much to generic in my opinion, there's really nothing typical about hundreds of millions of different fans/individuals which in all likelihood you don't know personally. Most fans (the ones who really follow their team) know a heck of a lot more then these writers like Cox and Simmons do, and well in advance in most cases. We don't live in an era (we haven't for the better part of two decades) where newspapers are the primary source for anything anymore.

Sports media is impartial because it has to be (even when things are going well) to suck in readers. These days media has less to do with useful information and more to do with writing a soap opera script so that people can tune in next week for more drama that doesn't really exist.

Mess 09-08-2012 09:42 AM

In fact some of us have been saying this is a "Playoffs of Burke" season ahead for some time now.

When there is a ownership change in many businesses not just in this case here, they often tend to want to employ their own middle management people once they take over control. So reading some of the incoming Bell/Rogers majority owners might be considering the same is not surprising.

When a business is unsuccessful there is often change in management, to improve on past performances. When MLSE officially hires a new CEO then that person will be the main one that determines the direction of the organizations sports managers as they will report to him in the chain of command.


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