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Ziggy Stardust 09-08-2012 04:50 PM

Fights That Changed Momentum
 
Wanted to see how many fights fans can point to as ones that shifted the momentum of a playoff series from one team to another. My favorite example of this would have to be when Marty McSorley took on Wendel Clark after leveling Doug Gilmour with an open ice hit.



The Leafs dominated the Kings every which way possible and Gilmour was having his way against them. That is until McSorley stepped in and delivered what appeared to be an elbow at Gilmour's head. Clark responded by going after McSorley, but the fight sent a message that the Kings were going to put up a fight and that they did when they won the series in seven games.

There is another incident that took place a few years ago involving Georges Laraque. I can't recall the exact details aside from the fact that he appeared to mock his opponent after the fight or did some celebration, which inspired the opposing team to mount a comeback. Anyone else remember this?

This mainly concerns post season fights, but if you could point to examples from regular season games as well, then by all means, do so.

MichiganWolverines 09-08-2012 05:00 PM


duxfan8 09-08-2012 05:25 PM



Iginla vs Beauchemin in 2006

PS: I have no idea how to embed youtube videos

TieClark 09-08-2012 05:36 PM

How did McSorley getting his faced punched in change the momentum to LA's side?

Ziggy Stardust 09-08-2012 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TieClark (Post 54180387)
How did McSorley getting his faced punched in change the momentum to LA's side?

Oh let's see, the Leafs smoked the Kings 4-1 in that game and Gilmour was dominant with 2 goals and 2 assists. The Kings would then go on to win the next two games then lost two close ones before winning Game 6 and 7 while facing elimination.

I'm sure as a Leafs fan you'd hate to admit it, but McSorley checking Gilmour and taking on Clark (and no, he didn't get his face punched in) turned the tide of the series. The Kings weren't going to let the Leafs walk all over them, which is the message that was sent when McSorley did what he did.

Gretzky and Barry Melrose have both said that the McSorley hit/fight was really the turning point of the series.

TieClark 09-08-2012 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust (Post 54180531)
Oh let's see, the Leafs smoked the Kings 4-1 in that game and Gilmour was dominant with 2 goals and 2 assists. The Kings would then go on to win the next two games then lost two close ones before winning Game 6 and 7 while facing elimination.

I'm sure as a Leafs fan you'd hate to admit it, but McSorley checking Gilmour and taking on Clark (and no, he didn't get his face punched in) turned the tide of the series. The Kings weren't going to let the Leafs walk all over them, which is the message that was sent when McSorley did what he did.

Gretzky and Barry Melrose have both said that the McSorley hit/fight was really the turning point of the series.

Have you seen McSorley's face the day after that fight? Yes he did indeed get his faced punched in by Clark. The hit may have changed momentum, but still not really. The Leafs would have won game 6 after all...

Edit: Found it for you... http://communities.sportsnet.ca/serv...eyblackeye.jpg

Ziggy Stardust 09-09-2012 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TieClark (Post 54181629)
Have you seen McSorley's face the day after that fight? Yes he did indeed get his faced punched in by Clark. The hit may have changed momentum, but still not really. The Leafs would have won game 6 after all...

Edit: Found it for you... http://communities.sportsnet.ca/serv...eyblackeye.jpg

I clearly do remember that front page cover (as well as the shot of McSorley walking off the ice to the locker room after the fight and putting his hand over a camera), but that fight was a battle and a draw in my eyes. Clark connected with some bombs, but McSorley never blinked and kept on going and was gaining the edge in the scrap in the late stages (which is a McSorley trait).

TieClark 09-09-2012 10:03 AM

Well I'm a believer of damage done wins the fight so I don't see how Clark didn't win that.. Especially at the end of a shift

1994sec311 09-27-2012 02:28 PM

Prust vs. Neil game 6 of ECQF 2012. Prust lost the fight, but I think this stemmed the tide of Neil bulldozing NYR--showing that NYR was going to stick up for their teammates, after his hit on Boyle, post whistle shove to Richards, and general domination of the NYR. NYR comes from behind to win the game and the series. Thought momentum in that game shifted right after.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inZ3nm305Ro

BlackNgold 84 09-27-2012 02:38 PM



I know the b's were suppose to win this series and they had won game 1 and we're winning easily in this game but this fight was so unexpected and no one really thought a bergeron fight would A) happen B) would end like that. I think it just totally shut the door on the habs and gave them little to no hope. Or this could be the musings of a bitter bruins fan who didn't wanna see the bruins get another early round defeat to the habs.

BruinsNeedaRussian 09-27-2012 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MichiganWolverines (Post 54179577)

What the hell was Talbot doing? He got demolished.

cashman rules* 09-27-2012 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust (Post 54179387)
Wanted to see how many fights fans can point to as ones that shifted the momentum of a playoff series from one team to another. My favorite example of this would have to be when Marty McSorley took on Wendel Clark after leveling Doug Gilmour with an open ice hit.



The Leafs dominated the Kings every which way possible and Gilmour was having his way against them. That is until McSorley stepped in and delivered what appeared to be an elbow at Gilmour's head. Clark responded by going after McSorley, but the fight sent a message that the Kings were going to put up a fight and that they did when they won the series in seven games.

There is another incident that took place a few years ago involving Georges Laraque. I can't recall the exact details aside from the fact that he appeared to mock his opponent after the fight or did some celebration, which inspired the opposing team to mount a comeback. Anyone else remember this?

This mainly concerns post season fights, but if you could point to examples from regular season games as well, then by all means, do so.

The leafs lost the series:shakehead

Ziggy Stardust 09-27-2012 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cashman rules (Post 54622997)
The leafs lost the series:shakehead

No **** Sherlock.

Bring_Bak_Damphousse 09-30-2012 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackNgold 84 (Post 54621203)


I know the b's were suppose to win this series and they had won game 1 and we're winning easily in this game but this fight was so unexpected and no one really thought a bergeron fight would A) happen B) would end like that. I think it just totally shut the door on the habs and gave them little to no hope. Or this could be the musings of a bitter bruins fan who didn't wanna see the bruins get another early round defeat to the habs.


Total momentum changer there...Bergeron dosn't throw that punch and the Habs go on to comeback from a 5-1 defecit and win the next 4 games. Never change B's fans. :laugh:

BlackNgold 84 10-01-2012 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Bring_Bak_Damphousse (Post 54683227)
Total momentum changer there...Bergeron dosn't throw that punch and the Habs go on to comeback from a 5-1 defecit and win the next 4 games. Never change B's fans. :laugh:

As i said during the post.. its not the best example of a fight that changed momentum.. but it sure as **** buried the habs. Or should i have put up the lucic drubbing komisarek in that series :sarcasm:

Beef Invictus 10-01-2012 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BruinsNeedaRussian (Post 54622147)
What the hell was Talbot doing? He got demolished.

He was firing up his teammates. It worked brilliantly.

Carcillo screwed up for obliging him and taking that fight. Quite a few Flyers fans thought that was the wrong time and place, and that turned out to be correct.

Beville 10-01-2012 03:37 PM



This.

Yes, we still lost the series... But the 8th Seeded team took #1 to 7 games.

MonsterSurge 10-02-2012 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BruinsNeedaRussian (Post 54622147)
What the hell was Talbot doing? He got demolished.

Are you new to hockey? :shakehead

Analyzer 10-02-2012 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BruinsNeedaRussian (Post 54622147)
What the hell was Talbot doing? He got demolished.

It still changed momentum and the Penguins won.

Halibut 10-02-2012 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Analyzer (Post 54723413)
It still changed momentum and the Penguins won.

Did it? How can you tell? It seems like something totally unmeasurable except by anecdotal evidence.

There's no way to know that any swing in momentum was caused by a fight or that the outcome came about as a result of the fight.

Jefe88 10-02-2012 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Beville (Post 54700469)


This.

Yes, we still lost the series... But the 8th Seeded team took #1 to 7 games.

So this might be a dumb question but when the ref calls the penalty and is just standing there while Boyle is getting jumped, why does he not try to stop Carkner?

Beef Invictus 10-02-2012 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Halibut (Post 54723913)
Did it? How can you tell? It seems like something totally unmeasurable except by anecdotal evidence.

There's no way to know that any swing in momentum was caused by a fight or that the outcome came about as a result of the fight.

The game and series was completely different after the fight.

Banana Sandwiches 10-02-2012 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefe88 (Post 54724623)
So this might be a dumb question but when the ref calls the penalty and is just standing there while Boyle is getting jumped, why does he not try to stop Carkner?

It's not their job to break up fights. That is the linesmen's job.

Big Phil 10-04-2012 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Halibut (Post 54723913)
Did it? How can you tell? It seems like something totally unmeasurable except by anecdotal evidence.

There's no way to know that any swing in momentum was caused by a fight or that the outcome came about as a result of the fight.

I think you had to be there. The Pens were down 3-0 in the game. Fleury had let in a couple of soft goals. I don't think the Pens wanted to have to go back home for a Game 7. So Talbot dropped the mitts and Carcillo being the type who reacts first and then thinks later worked right into Talbot's plan. Almost immediately after the fight the game changed in the Pens' favour. They seemed more upbeat and forced the play better. They started to look like the 2009 champs after all. The game went totally the other way to the point where Crosby netted an empty netter to seal it. The momentum shifted right after that fight. This was the first fight I was going to post when seeing this thread.

Another one. It didn't result in a win for the Islanders (almost) but in 1975 when the young Gillies kicked the tar out of Schultz it sort of laid the groundwork that the Flyers could be beaten at their own game. In 1976 Robinson tamed the Broad Street Bullies as well. The Gillies victory was the first crack in the armour for the Flyers.

I also think the bloodbath in March of 1997 between the Red Wings and Avs set a precedent. The Wings were not a rough and tumble team per se, they weren't wimps but they didn't intimidate much. But that night they all rocked the Avs. Every Wing on the ice won their fight. McCarty bloodied Claude. Larionov of all people bloodied Forsberg and Vernon beat Roy. Not to mention Shanahan tackling Roy at center ice. Shanny wasn't there in 1996 when Lemieux hit Draper from behind but he became part of that rivalry very quickly. After that, I had a new found respect for Detroit. The Avs won the Cup in 1996 and looked like they might do it again in 1997 but Detroit just looked like a different and more cohesive team in the playoffs.

Analyzer 10-05-2012 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Halibut (Post 54723913)
Did it? How can you tell? It seems like something totally unmeasurable except by anecdotal evidence.

There's no way to know that any swing in momentum was caused by a fight or that the outcome came about as a result of the fight.

From what I watched, Pittsburgh went from non-existent to just running over the flyers.

There's a reason players and coaches say there's a time to fight and there's a time when you just have to say no


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