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HF Article 09-10-2012 12:15 PM

Nicklas Jensen remains top prospect in Vancouver Canucks' system
 
The Vancouver Canucks' prospect pool may not be considered deep, but the organization has a number of players that project well within the team's puck-possession system. The current roster, laden with veterans drafted by the club, has been carefully chosen out of necessity. The team's regular season success in recent years has forced the organization to pick near the end of each draft round but the system has been improved with shrewd scouting and astute free-agent signings.

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Southern_Canuck 09-10-2012 12:58 PM

HF Article vs. Board Rankings

1. Jensen - 1. Kassian
2. Kassian - 2. Jensen
3. Lack - 3. Tanev
4. Schroeder - 4. Lack
5. Gaunce - 5. Schroeder
6. Tanev - 6. Gaunce
7. Rodin - 7. Connauton
8. Connauton - 8. Corrado
9. Grenier - 9. Cannata
10. McNally - 10. Rodin
11. Corrado - 11. McNally
12. Mallet - 12. Labate
13. Labate - 13. Mallet
14. Sauve - 14. Sauve
15. Cannata - 15. Friesen
16. Tommernes - 16. Polasek
17. Polasek - 17. Tommernes
18. Friesen - 18. Price
19. Honzik - 19. Sweatt
20. Sweatt - 20. Hutton

The biggest differences being the HF Article ranking Grenier at 9, while Grenier did not make the top 20 on the board list. The board ranked Cannata in the top ten at 9, and the article placed him at 15. Honzik makes the article list, but Hutton makes the board list.

Also, Dave Gagner's (Director of Player Development) top 10 prospects from an earlier NHL article (Kassian and Tanev considered "graduated"):

1. Lack
2. Jensen
3. Connauton
4. Schroeder
5. Rodin
6. Gaunce
7. Cannata
8. Corrado
9. McNally
10. Sauve

S_C

Tim Calhoun 09-10-2012 01:00 PM

This is an improvement on the previous list, but Grenier in the top-10 remains puzzling. I wouldn't even put him in the top-20 prospects.

ItsAllPartOfThePlan 09-10-2012 01:35 PM

How is Tanev 6th?

Taco Fingerhat 09-10-2012 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Calhoun (Post 54218263)
This is an improvement on the previous list, but Grenier in the top-10 remains puzzling. I wouldn't even put him in the top-20 prospects.

Agreed. Probably the best HF Canucks list I've seen to date. I think its easier to rank our prospects when we actually have prospects in the system. :laugh:

A bunch of things I'd do differently, but I'm surprisingly OK with this list. I still 100% prefer our fan voted list, so it should be fun to revisit the lists.

keslerburrows 09-10-2012 07:31 PM

Grenier 9. Un ranked by board rankings..

me2 09-10-2012 08:16 PM

I'm stumped on Grenier. How is he on the same 7.0C ranking as Gaunce? Even Kassian is only 7.0B.

I also find it odd that pool is considered that shallow, if anything I think we have a reasonable depth if a guy like Cannata at 15. It's just not elite, high probability prospects at the top. 10-14 of those prospects are a legit chance at the NHL, just not as stars. Having Grenier at 9 makes the pool look like it ends at 8.

Nuck This 09-10-2012 08:29 PM

Ya Grenier looked farrrrrrr from ready during prospect camp and training camp. He looked lost. Definitively not 9. He has the potential but I'm not sure if he'll reach. He wouldn't have made the AHL this year and he'll be 21. Boom or bust draft pick and frankly I don't see that much of an offensive upside. All things considered this just is flat out wrong. Same with Cannata. In Hobey conversations for two years considered one of, if not, the best goalie in the NCAA and than plays one game in the AHL where he posts a save percentage of 950 in that game. How is that 15. If he's 15 than I'm even more excited about the depth of our prospects.

Vankiller Whale 09-10-2012 08:52 PM

To be honest I don't put much stock in the actual ratings. The writeups are nice to read about, though.

Yossarian54 09-11-2012 01:16 AM

Not bad, although I have to echo the sentiment of Grenier being way too high, and a 7.0C.

Likewise I think Cannata and especially Corrado are underrated. 6.5C seems comparatively low for Corrado who is arguably our highest D prospect in terms of raw 'potential'. Definitely a great improvement on the last one though.

That LW prospect depth chart does look ugly though.

VinnyC 09-11-2012 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yossarian54 (Post 54236007)
That LW prospect depth chart does look ugly though.

We're loaded on LW's in the main team, though. Sedin, Higgins, Booth, Raymond; Burrows can also play there.

And Ballard too. :sarcasm:

Yossarian54 09-11-2012 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VinnyC (Post 54236433)
And Ballard too. :sarcasm:

lol!

MS 09-11-2012 03:46 AM

The rankings of Grenier and Tanev are pretty ridiculous. Grenier in particular is pretty near a bust who shouldn't be in our top 20 prospects.

vanuck 09-11-2012 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Calhoun (Post 54218263)
This is an improvement on the previous list, but Grenier in the top-10 remains puzzling. I wouldn't even put him in the top-20 prospects.

This...

wholesickcrew 09-11-2012 10:05 AM

Weaknesses: Lack of goaltending depth.

What? And then you scroll down and see Iilahti above Cannata. What??

Luck 6 09-11-2012 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ItsAllPartOfThePlan (Post 54218965)
How is Tanev 6th?

Because that's where he should be. I agree with the HF list far more than the board list, the board list seems to be ranked based on how close and likely any given player is to an NHL career. The HF list on the other hand takes overall prospect upside into account far more. Tanev projects as a 2nd pairing defenseman, Lack projects as a #1 goalie, you tell me which of the two should be ranked higher.

Nuck This 09-11-2012 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luck 6 (Post 54239761)
Because that's where he should be. I agree with the HF list far more than the board list, the board list seems to be ranked based on how close and likely any given player is to an NHL career. The HF list on the other hand takes overall prospect upside into account far more. Tanev projects as a 2nd pairing defenseman, Lack projects as a #1 goalie, you tell me which of the two should be ranked higher.

The boards list is more accurate. I also have a bone to pick where Corrado is positioned.

ItsAllPartOfThePlan 09-11-2012 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luck 6 (Post 54239761)
Because that's where he should be. I agree with the HF list far more than the board list, the board list seems to be ranked based on how close and likely any given player is to an NHL career. The HF list on the other hand takes overall prospect upside into account far more. Tanev projects as a 2nd pairing defenseman, Lack projects as a #1 goalie, you tell me which of the two should be ranked higher.

I agree with Lack over Tanev. What I don't agree with having Schroeder or even Gaunce over him. I would personally have him in the 3/4 spot.

Vankiller Whale 09-11-2012 01:19 PM

"Blue chippers at the top"

Where? Is Jensen considered "blue-chip?"

hockeyfan125 09-11-2012 01:22 PM

CanucksArmy's top 20:

#20 David Honzik
#19 Darren Archibald
#18 Jeremy Price
#17 Adam Polasek
#16 Yann Sauve
#15 Alex Grenier
#14 Patrick McNally
#13 Billy Sweatt
#12 Anton Rodin
#11 Alex Friesen
#10 Joe Cannata
#9 Alexandre Mallet
#8 Joseph LaBate
#7 Frank Corrado
#6 Kevin Connauton
#5 Jordan Schroeder
#4 Brendan Gaunce
#3 Nicklas Jensen
#2 Eddie Lack
#1 Zack Kassian

(we used 50 GP so Tanev is ineligible)

ThereGoesVirtanen 09-11-2012 02:35 PM

Bottom line is that we're miles ahead of where we used to be.

crazyforhockey 09-11-2012 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 54243839)
"Blue chippers at the top"

Where? Is Jensen considered "blue-chip?"

he has shown to alot of scouts that he has a scoring touch......add in the size,above avg speed for a power forward, and plays well both sides of the puck


is what scouts and fans tend to think he will have a solid career or impact

pahlsson 09-11-2012 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 54243839)
"Blue chippers at the top"

Where? Is Jensen considered "blue-chip?"

i think those assessments haven't been updated yet, either way it's about as accurate now as it was then

Nuck This 09-11-2012 06:15 PM

I think when people say gaunce has limited offensive potential are wrong. If you look at his shot technique and skating technique there's a lot of room for growth. Add in his play making ability, size and strength he has the potential to be a very very good player or us.

Taco Fingerhat 09-11-2012 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuck This (Post 54251263)
I think when people say gaunce has limited offensive potential are wrong. If you look at his shot technique and skating technique there's a lot of room for growth. Add in his play making ability, size and strength he has the potential to be a very very good player or us.

I've watched a whole pile of Gaunce clips, and if he's going to establish himself as a goalscorer, it will be in the mold of Ryan Smyth and Thomas Holmstrom. Gritty goals from gritty areas of the ice. He is never going to be a finesse player. That's not who he is or how he plays. (I'm not insinuating you thought that btw)


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