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Garnet 09-19-2003 12:16 PM

Interesting thread on Trade rumours
 
I think it started about a idea of a trade between Washington and Montreal. Markov for Lang. Of course thats crazy but further in the thread their talking about a Brisebois for Lang deal. What do you think?? The problems I see are 1) Brisebois no trade clause and 2) Brisebois contract for about 4M is through to the 2005 and Lang is about 5M till 2007. The way I see it Montreal add about 12million (1M extra each year and the 5M per year after Brisebois contract is done) But Montreal gets a big number 2 center who is stong and can put on 60-80 points a year. I think Washington would have to eat a little salary (2-3M maybe) or through in a decsent pick or prospect.

Montreal could afford him because Brisebois, Juneau, Dackell, Perreault and possibly Quintal gone after this year. Thats about 8M add 2-3 M from Washington and its about covered.

What would Koivu think of this if it happened??

Mike8 09-19-2003 12:26 PM

I'd do it.

All-Star 09-19-2003 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Garnet
I think it started about a idea of a trade between Washington and Montreal. Markov for Lang. Of course thats crazy but further in the thread their talking about a Brisebois for Lang deal. What do you think?? The problems I see are 1) Brisebois no trade clause and 2) Brisebois contract for about 4M is through to the 2005 and Lang is about 5M till 2007. The way I see it Montreal add about 12million (1M extra each year and the 5M per year after Brisebois contract is done) But Montreal gets a big number 2 center who is stong and can put on 60-80 points a year. I think Washington would have to eat a little salary (2-3M maybe) or through in a decsent pick or prospect.

Montreal could afford him because Brisebois, Juneau, Dackell, Perreault and possibly Quintal gone after this year. Thats about 8M add 2-3 M from Washington and its about covered.

What would Koivu think of this if it happened??

I don't know much about Lang... :dunno:

How old is Lang?

Are his skills going to decline over the next few years?

If Lang doesn't work out, does he have any trade value except for the salary dumping kind?

Would Washington even be interested in Brisebois for two years?

If Lang is any good, wouldn't the Caps be able to trade him for a better and cheaper player than Brisebois?

If we do get Lang, can we find takers for one of Perrault or Ribeiro to free-up space?

Thanks in advance,
All-Star

Marksman 09-19-2003 01:25 PM

I think hooking up longterm with 5 mil player just before new CBA which could very well include salary cap is a boneheaded move. You know there is a reason rich american team like Caps want to get rid of him, gee I wonder why... :rolleyes:

KOMO_ROCKS 09-19-2003 01:29 PM

I dont think the habs will be upgrading that much

Basically: Perreault, Breezer vs Lang

sure, salaries aside, Lang is better than Breezer.....but 5 mil for Lang is worse than 4 mil for Breezer in my mind. 1 more mil is huge

All-Star 09-19-2003 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Plekanec
Lang is crap, I wish you catch other than Habs' games sometime!

No need to be rude...

All I get on TV on a regular basis is the Habs, the Leafs, and the Sens...
If all three are playing, I watch the Habs and check the scores for the other games during commercials...
Not everyone can afford NHL Center Ice (it's bad enough I had to get Digital Cable just for RDS)...

So I thought I'd ask for details on Lang, because I don't have much faith in stats alone...

All-Star

Owen Wilson 09-19-2003 04:38 PM

Like I said in that thread, I'd do it. I think Washington would be all over that deal as well, since they D-man badly. The only concern I would have is Koivu. Would he be happy that Lang is making more than him?

GilleZ 09-20-2003 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BigBadBert
Like I said in that thread, I'd do it. I think Washington would be all over that deal as well, since they D-man badly. The only concern I would have is Koivu. Would he be happy that Lang is making more than him?

I'm pretty sure Lang would be a great addition if we forget about te money and we make a good deal where washington take a couple of million a year. And for the fack that Saku would not take it... Saku got Linden in front of him and that had not bother him I think.

Finaly i think that Lang would easily replace Perreault, he is more of a 2 way player, and the only guy in our team that can do that is Bulis, and I dont see him centering a line soon.

Go Habs Go!!!

Marmax 09-20-2003 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by All-Star
No need to be rude...

All I get on TV on a regular basis is the Habs, the Leafs, and the Sens...
If all three are playing, I watch the Habs and check the scores for the other games during commercials...
Not everyone can afford NHL Center Ice (it's bad enough I had to get Digital Cable just for RDS)...

So I thought I'd ask for details on Lang, because I don't have much faith in stats alone...

All-Star

You will have to get use to Plekanec comment, he act like he was a specialisist trying to say that everyone are fools who dont watch hockey like him but in fact he is dumb as my socks.

Owen Wilson 09-20-2003 07:29 AM

Washington would not pay some of Lang's salary in a deal like this. Why would they? They're trying to shed salary and we'd be giving them something that we've been trying to get rid of for a year.

Mike8 09-20-2003 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by All-Star
I don't know much about Lang... :dunno:

How old is Lang?

Are his skills going to decline over the next few years?

If Lang doesn't work out, does he have any trade value except for the salary dumping kind?

Would Washington even be interested in Brisebois for two years?

If Lang is any good, wouldn't the Caps be able to trade him for a better and cheaper player than Brisebois?

If we do get Lang, can we find takers for one of Perrault or Ribeiro to free-up space?

Thanks in advance,
All-Star

Lang is 32. His skills will likely decline eventually, but he's in his prime right now. I wouldn't expect them to decline for a few more years. He's making $5M, so that alone means he doesn't have much trade value given the fact that teams have tight wallets these days.

I think Washington might be interested in Brisebois for Lang since they would save $7M in total over the next 3 years and because they need the defensive help. Washington also has Zubrus, Nylander, Halpern, Kip Miller, and Sutherby who all play center, so Lang is not needed down there.

Lang is good. He consistently puts up good numbers. He's a slightly better version than Stumpel. He's big (6'2, 225lbs), but is fairly soft. Very good playmaker, don't look at his point totals (22 goals and 69 points last year) and think he got them because of Jagr. He didn't play with Jagr in Washington or in Pittsburgh other than the PP for a large chunk of the season. Nylander and Zubrus were the players that centered Jagr's line for the majority of last season that I saw.

Lang gives Montreal the much needed size the team has needed down the middle, he is not poor defensively, while he is a bit soft -- he'd be a huge upgrade over Perreault.

It's a gamble and depends on Montreal's financial situation. The team would be dramatically improved, and a weakness fulfilled, but do they want to pick up $7M over the next 3 years? I would assume they wouldn't, and that's why it's unlikely to happen.

tinyzombies 09-20-2003 08:45 AM

It doesn't makes sense if you look at it from the angle of trading contracts. Gainey wouldn't do it. Remember, he dumped Audette's long-term contract on us for short term contracts in return when he was in Dallas.

TazzMetal 09-20-2003 09:00 AM

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Ribeiro will be a better center than Lang this year!!!
Take a Deep Breath and think about what you've just said. I think you're over-hyping Ribeiro before the season has even started. Lang has been a consistent top six forward ever since he went back to the Pen back in 1998, albeit being a soft playmaker.

As for Ribeiro, we're not even sure if he's going to be playing in the Habs top 6 this season and you're already going ahead as mentionning that he will be having a better season than Robert Lang? That's being a little too ahead of yourself there.

As for a Lang for Brisebois deal, as mentionned before, I doubt the Habs would be interested in being on the hook for the 15 Millions $ remaining on Lang's contract. Washington won't pay any money on Lang's contract if the only thing coming back is Brisebois. As much as everyone would like to see Brisebois gone, i'm ready to bet that he will play all 82 games this season in a Habs uniform.

Munchausen 09-20-2003 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TazzMetal
Take a Deep Breath and think about what you've just said. I think you're over-hyping Ribeiro before the season has even started.

"over-hyping" is Plekanec's middle name. ;)

All-Star 09-20-2003 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike8
Lang is 32. His skills will likely decline eventually, but he's in his prime right now. I wouldn't expect them to decline for a few more years. He's making $5M, so that alone means he doesn't have much trade value given the fact that teams have tight wallets these days.

I think Washington might be interested in Brisebois for Lang since they would save $7M in total over the next 3 years and because they need the defensive help. Washington also has Zubrus, Nylander, Halpern, Kip Miller, and Sutherby who all play center, so Lang is not needed down there.

Lang is good. He consistently puts up good numbers. He's a slightly better version than Stumpel. He's big (6'2, 225lbs), but is fairly soft. Very good playmaker, don't look at his point totals (22 goals and 69 points last year) and think he got them because of Jagr. He didn't play with Jagr in Washington or in Pittsburgh other than the PP for a large chunk of the season. Nylander and Zubrus were the players that centered Jagr's line for the majority of last season that I saw.

Lang gives Montreal the much needed size the team has needed down the middle, he is not poor defensively, while he is a bit soft -- he'd be a huge upgrade over Perreault.

It's a gamble and depends on Montreal's financial situation. The team would be dramatically improved, and a weakness fulfilled, but do they want to pick up $7M over the next 3 years? I would assume they wouldn't, and that's why it's unlikely to happen.

Thanks!!! :bow:

Mike8 09-20-2003 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raketheleaves
It doesn't makes sense if you look at it from the angle of trading contracts. Gainey wouldn't do it. Remember, he dumped Audette's long-term contract on us for short term contracts in return when he was in Dallas.

Gainey also signed Audette for that long-term contract and only dealt him when Hitchcock started benching him.

If Gainey felt Lang would dramatically improve this club, and felt the additional $6M (if Brisebois is earning $4.5M per year) over 3 years would be worthwhile, I could see him making this type of deal. But I'd imagine Perreault would need to be moved first. Perreault ($2.8M) + Brisebois ($4.5M) = $7.3M shed, bringing Lang ($5M)... the team would save $1.3M and have a major upgrade down the middle.

But I don't think anyone would take Perreault off Montreal's hands for free like this. And you can be certain that Washington would not be interested in Perreault.

danboulie 09-20-2003 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Munchausen
"over-hyping" is Plekanec's middle name. ;)

Wow, i've never seen many people who had hyphenated middle names.

Even If Lang would be an upgrade in Montreal, I don't think that:
A)Gainey would want to spend the extra money
B) We would be able to trade away another center to make room for him, and get full value for him.


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