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The Zetterberg Era 09-14-2012 03:48 PM

Detroit Red Wings Prospect #24
 
1.) Brendan Smith - D, 6'1" 198 lbs: Mimico, ON, CAN 72.73%
2.) Gustav Nyquist - RW/LW, 5'11" 185 lbs: Halmstad, SWE 68.75%
3.) Calle Järnkrok - C, 6'0" 183 lbs: Gävle, SWE 72.73%
4.) TomᚠTatar - LW/RW, 5'10" 186 lbs: Ilava, SVK 44.44%
5.) Tomas Jurco - RW, 6'2" 187 lbs: Kosice, SVK 65.85%
6.) Riley Sheahan - C, 6'2" 223 lbs: St. Catharines, ON, CAN 27.78%
7.) Teemu Pulkkinen - RW, 5'10" 198 lbs: Vantaa, FIN 35.92%
8.) Xavier Ouellet - D, 6'1" 190 lbs: Bayonne, FRA 45.24%
9.) Ryan Sproul - D, 6'3" 186 lbs: Mississauga, ON, CAN 45.98%
10.) Petr Mrázek - G, 6'2" 185 lbs: Ostrava, CZE 62.69%
11.) Martin Frk - RW, 6'0" 203 lbs: Bochov, CZE 34.41%
12.) Marek Tvrdoň - LW, 6'2" 218 lbs: Nitra, SVK 54.55%
13.) Nick Jensen - D, 6'0" 194 lbs: Rogers, MN, USA 35.53%
14.) Alexei Marchenko - D, 6'02'' 183 lbs: Moscow, RUS 39.02%
15.) Joakim Andersson - C, 6'2" 206 lbs: Munkedal, SWE 52.94%
16.) Mattias Bäckman - D, 6'2" 170 lbs: Linköping, SWE 40.00%
17.) Louis-Marc Aubry - C, 6'4" 205 lbs: Trois-Rivières, QC, CAN 33.87%
18.) Landon Ferraro - C, 6'0 174: Trail, BC, CAN 38.98%
19.) Adam Almqvist - D, 5'11, 174: Jönköping, SWE 37.50%
20.) Andreas Athanasiou - LW, 6'1" 181lbs: Mississauga, ON, CAN 34.43%
21.) Alan Quine - C/LW, 5'11" 188 lbs: Belleville, ON, CAN 41.18%
22.) Brian Lashoff - D, 6'3" 212 lbs: Albany, NY, USA 31.48%
23.) Mitchell Callahan - RW, 6'0" 190 lbs: Whittier, CA, USA 43.18%

Super pest in the making Callahan advances by a vote. Hoping he can become a better fighter this year, maybe Tootoo will teach him a thing or two. James De Haas is the add this round.

The Zetterberg Era 09-14-2012 03:56 PM

Voted Nedomlel, think we are done adding names but if you would like to see someone go up, I can keep going.

On that note always planned on stopping at 25 given the vote drop off that makes sense still for me. Was thinking about doing one HM maybe, but we seem pretty much close to done, 30 seems to be stretching it even though I know I personally have opinions through that number.

ChadS 09-14-2012 04:00 PM

Nedomlel.

Guys not added yet (might be more): Raedeke, Fournier, Coetzee, Hudon, Pearce(, Pare). If we're still going to add, I'd say Raedeke.

RedWingsNow* 09-14-2012 04:05 PM

Paterson.
Most important prospect still on the list -- and it's not even close.

Big Poppa Puck 09-14-2012 04:11 PM

My God, how far McCollum has fallen.

mindfly 09-14-2012 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bob (Post 54324793)
Paterson.
Most important prospect still on the list -- and it's not even close.

Goalies are overrated

SoupNazi 09-14-2012 04:49 PM

Nedomlel.

Frk It 09-14-2012 04:53 PM

Nedomlel again. I think the guy is pretty underrated.

ProPAIN 09-14-2012 05:10 PM

Nedomlel, some pretty good prospects left. What rank are we going up to?

Add Coetzee, Raedeke or Hudon.

sarcastro 09-14-2012 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bob (Post 54324793)
Paterson.
Most important prospect still on the list -- and it's not even close.

I could buy "most important", mainly because there's a >95% chance that none of the guys left on this poll will amount to anything at the NHL level and if he does, as a goalie, it would be a big deal.

Doesn't mean he should be ranked though. I'm not voting for him this year, going to wait and see if he does anything this year before I consider him to be a prospect. If McCollum can light up the OHL and then bomb in the AHL, I'm certainly not getting excited about a guy that had a shaky start in the OHL. OHL goalies do not pan out.

Dustin16182 09-14-2012 08:34 PM

McCollum, lets be honest. If injuries hit monster an howard, this guy will lilely be given one more shot. Lets say he has a few good games and makes a good impression. I think thats more likely to happen then anyone else here making it to the nhl.

sarcastro 09-14-2012 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dustin16182 (Post 54330695)
McCollum, lets be honest. If injuries hit monster an howard, this guy will lilely be given one more shot. Lets say he has a few good games and makes a good impression. I think thats more likely to happen then anyone else here making it to the nhl.

I think there's more of a chance that a unicorn wins the next Kentucky Derby than for McCollum to suddenly jump up and become an NHL starter when he has spent the last 3 seasons being unable to stop a beach ball in the AHL and showing only an occasional ability to stop a beach ball in the ECHL.

I could be wrong though, I suppose.

RedWingsNow* 09-14-2012 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarcastro (Post 54328097)
I could buy "most important", mainly because there's a >95% chance that none of the guys left on this poll will amount to anything at the NHL level and if he does, as a goalie, it would be a big deal.

Doesn't mean he should be ranked though. I'm not voting for him this year, going to wait and see if he does anything this year before I consider him to be a prospect. If McCollum can light up the OHL and then bomb in the AHL, I'm certainly not getting excited about a guy that had a shaky start in the OHL. OHL goalies do not pan out.

Well, most important likely means most likely to win a contract, too.

Kronwalled55 09-14-2012 11:13 PM

Is Nedomlel a tough guy and/or an offensive defenseman? 6'4'', takes quite a lot of penalty minutes. Put up 46 points last season, but was a -35... Just seems interesting :laugh:

sarcastro 09-14-2012 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bob (Post 54332027)
Well, most important likely means most likely to win a contract, too.

By that standard, sure. To my knowledge they've never given up on a drafted goalie without signing him. But by that standard, McCollum is important. And I don't think he is.

The Zetterberg Era 09-14-2012 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kronwalled55 (Post 54333421)
Is Nedomlel a tough guy and/or an offensive defenseman? 6'4'', takes quite a lot of penalty minutes. Put up 46 points last season, but was a -35... Just seems interesting :laugh:

His team really is awful. I would still like to see the +/- get better this year. He was thought to be a physical stay at home type that would drop the mitts when they drafted him. Since then his skating has really improved as has his shot and offensive feel. I still think he is a tough stay at home type by the time he makes the league. But it is nice to see the development in the offensive end, he has a good first pass and doesn't look scared of the puck, all important things if he is ever going to crack the NHL.

RedWingsNow* 09-15-2012 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarcastro (Post 54333477)
By that standard, sure. To my knowledge they've never given up on a drafted goalie without signing him. But by that standard, McCollum is important. And I don't think he is.

Well, he was a highly ranked prospect until bombing in the pros, though, no?

The Zetterberg Era 09-15-2012 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bob (Post 54334557)
Well, he was a highly ranked prospect until bombing in the pros, though, no?

I don't know that he ever was to the level of a Mrazek, now the prospect pool was much weaker back then. So probably helped with where people thought he was. But I never at any point had firm belief in the guy. With Mrazek I am pretty sold, with McCollum I never moved beyond the 50/50 idea in part because of his awful save percentage at the WJC and in the playoffs during his last season in the OHL. He obviously has lost even more faith in the AHL, but I was pretty close to writing off Howard this far into his AHL career despite his stellar play at Maine. So he could turn it around, looked good for a stretch last year with the Griffins.

sarcastro 09-15-2012 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bob (Post 54334557)
Well, he was a highly ranked prospect until bombing in the pros, though, no?

He was also a 1st round pick and put up great numbers in the OHL before turning pro. Paterson doesn't have that pedigree and he hasn't put up the numbers yet.

Also, pointing out that McCollum was a highly ranked prospect before bombing in the pros seems to undercut the notion that Paterson should be highly ranked now, doesn't it? By all accounts, McCollum was much better as an 18 year old than Paterson is now, and he turned out to be a total disaster. Any comparison between the two is going to hurt Paterson's stock IMO.

I want to see what Paterson does this season before I rank him at all. I wish they had taken a skater there...

Frk It 09-15-2012 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedWings19405 (Post 54334911)
I don't know that he ever was to the level of a Mrazek

If we are talking about their careers in Junior prior to becoming a pro, Mccollum was definitely as well thought of as Mrazek, if not higher. He was a 1st round pick, with good size, and put up great numbers. I think people are forgetting how hyped Mccollum was prior to the 2009-2010 season.

RedWingsNow* 09-15-2012 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarcastro (Post 54340461)
He was also a 1st round pick and put up great numbers in the OHL before turning pro. Paterson doesn't have that pedigree and he hasn't put up the numbers yet.

Also, pointing out that McCollum was a highly ranked prospect before bombing in the pros seems to undercut the notion that Paterson should be highly ranked now, doesn't it? By all accounts, McCollum was much better as an 18 year old than Paterson is now, and he turned out to be a total disaster. Any comparison between the two is going to hurt Paterson's stock IMO.

I want to see what Paterson does this season before I rank him at all. I wish they had taken a skater there...

All that is true. But we're taking about our 24th best prospect. At this point, I'm ready to give Paterson some love.

jaster 09-15-2012 02:17 PM

Paterson.

As for McCollum vs Mrazek, from a post-draft perspective, McCollum stagnated and then dropped off, while Mrazek blew up pretty quickly. But McCollum was on a higher level before their respective drafts and going into the following seasons. He had put up better numbers, was more physically impressive, and was thought of more highly.

claudetheturtle 09-15-2012 02:32 PM

By the way, RedWings19405, I wouldn't mind going until we hit 30. Sure, the rankings may not be as meaningful at that point, but I think they would still be interesting to see.

The Zetterberg Era 09-15-2012 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frk It (Post 54341845)
If we are talking about their careers in Junior prior to becoming a pro, Mccollum was definitely as well thought of as Mrazek, if not higher. He was a 1st round pick, with good size, and put up great numbers. I think people are forgetting how hyped Mccollum was prior to the 2009-2010 season.

Yes but you are ignoring the fact McCollum save percentage was terrible at the WJC and in the OHL playoffs. A lot of people did point that out, he had some nice regular seasons but on big stages he wasn't all that great. I know he was a first round pick, but, there were quite a few questions. I hoped he was that regular season goalie, but he struggled against the more heavyweight teams.

I am not really ready to give up on him yet either. This is a big year for him. He still has that big size and some decent athletic ability. Like I said I logged off at the WJC as far as the hype train and I think because of that so/so event he didn't reach the level Mrazek is at. Sure when he was first drafted a lot of people probably thought he was good, I just wait on goalies longer to evaluate. I don't think much of Subban right now, probably won't make a decision until he is in his final OHL season. That is just how I evaluate goalies. But in my opinion so do a lot of people in hockey circles and really guys like McCollum are a good reason for that.

P U L L H A R D 09-15-2012 04:43 PM

Nedomiel, add Hudon


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