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Cyborg Yzerman 09-15-2012 10:09 PM

Jan Mursak
 
Something I don't see discussed anymore is about Mursak's place on the team, for instance, last season he was practically a lock on the team before his injury. Is all the hype and are all of the expectations for him a year ago completely gone now?

THW 09-15-2012 10:18 PM

Talked to his future Mother-In-Law and she said that if he doesnt get more ice time, which he believes is a reason for a lackluster season, he hopes to get traded or released. He went back home for a while this off season to try to find some of his mojo he lost when he got hurt.

WesNichols14 09-15-2012 10:28 PM

i like his speed and he still has potential to be a really good 3rd liner. but idk on this team. maybe if he has a great lockout, he gets an instant roster spot.

The Zetterberg Era 09-15-2012 10:41 PM

The ankle injury took a step or two away last season. Really hoping the guy from Grand Rapids shows up next year, he is a useful player. Stinks for him he looks like an extra forward here, but I would probably expose Emmerton before him assuming his stride looks back to normal if/when camp happens this year.

Kronwalled55 09-15-2012 10:44 PM

There's not much else to his game besides being a fast skater. While that can be a very important component to a bottom 6 player, you have to bring something else to the table to compliment that. Helm is fast, but can do so many other things. I guess if you want to use Eaves as an example too, he's fast, but also has a great shot and happens to be right handed. Although who knows when he'll play again...

With the jam at forward, would you really rather take Mursak over someone like Tatar?

The Zetterberg Era 09-15-2012 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kronwalled55 (Post 54356995)
I guess if you want to use Eaves as an example too, he's fast, but also has a great shot and happens to be right handed.

Mursak has those as well. A deceptive hard shot, good release not the accuracy of Eaves who has been a 20 goal scorer in this league shows that. I think Eaves is better when healthy a little more grit. Then again we haven't got to see a whole lot of Mursak in the NHL. He was a good PK guy in GR, I still like a lot of his traits if his big speed returns. In fact the shot trait is the very thing constantly pointed out by Babcock when he talks about him.

RedWingsNow* 09-15-2012 11:20 PM

Mursak has been wasted by the Wings. He should have been on the team two years ago.

The Nose 09-15-2012 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Bob (Post 54358119)
Mursak has been wasted by the Wings. He should have been on the team two years ago.

Agreed. I'm really starting to second guess the Wings prospect philosophy.

Flowah 09-15-2012 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 13 HockeyTown 40 (Post 54358511)
Agreed. I'm really starting to second guess the Wings prospect philosophy.

Their philosophy can be fine as long as they give the young kids an actual chance to earn a spot. It seems like so often they say "they have to earn it" by which they really mean "we're going to sign a bunch of old players and you'll never really have a shot."

Marky9er 09-16-2012 10:26 AM

I know some people like him and 1 person loves him, but I think he's knocked off the puck easily and doesn't fill any needs on this team. Undeniably, this team has small skilled forwards in spades....Mursak is the anti-thesis to the stated goal of getting bigger and tougher so I find him moving on to be inevitable. I'm sure their could be a fit for him elsewhere, maybe in the NHL but more likely Europe or minor league career player. Could be a stop gap player but not much else. IMO there's too many prospects leapfrogging him now and the next few years.

RedWingsNow* 09-16-2012 11:08 AM

I think Mursak being speedy and a right hand shot means he'll have a chance to play in this league ..
He has good hands.

claudetheturtle 09-16-2012 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Bob (Post 54365593)
I think Mursak being speedy and a right hand shot means he'll have a chance to play in this league ..
He has good hands.

Yeah. I'd agree. He'll play somewhere, I think. The question is where. We have 25 players on our roster right now: 16 F, 7 D, and 2 G. So that means 2 of the following 4 players need to be cut: Miller, Mursak, Emmerton, and Eaves.

I suppose cutting Brunner would also be an option, but only if the lockout should last a whole year.

And does anyone here know whether we're even allowed to cut Eaves (because he's injured)?

If not, that means we need to cut 2 of the following 3 players: Miller, Mursak, and Emmerton.

Spitfire11 09-16-2012 01:19 PM

Too many geezers taking up potential roster spots for him. Even with a great camp it'd be hard for him to get IT.

P U L L H A R D 09-16-2012 01:24 PM

I hope he sticks around for a couple more seasons until guys like Bertuzzi, Cleary and Samuelsson are gone and he gets a good chance in our middle six.

jaster 09-16-2012 08:48 PM

Largely because of his injury, it is difficult to tell what Wings management thinks of him at this point, or what their plans are for him. Frankly, no one here knows what's going to happen with him, but it will be interesting to see how things unfold. I think he can potentially be a pretty useful player, he has nice tools and some good skill.

pdd 09-16-2012 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by snailderby (Post 54369041)
Yeah. I'd agree. He'll play somewhere, I think. The question is where. We have 25 players on our roster right now: 16 F, 7 D, and 2 G. So that means 2 of the following 4 players need to be cut: Miller, Mursak, Emmerton, and Eaves.

I suppose cutting Brunner would also be an option, but only if the lockout should last a whole year.

And does anyone here know whether we're even allowed to cut Eaves (because he's injured)?

If not, that means we need to cut 2 of the following 3 players: Miller, Mursak, and Emmerton.

Actually, it would mean only one cut, as with Eaves on LTIR there are now only 24 roster players, 15 of which are forwards.

r0bert8841 09-26-2012 07:44 AM

Its a shame, I hope he gets a chance somewhere soon. The guy has potential.

The Nose 09-26-2012 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by r0bert8841 (Post 54594173)
Its a shame, I hope he gets a chance somewhere soon. The guy has potential.

Yeah and I doubt that opportunity is coming in Detroit.

TS Quint 10-02-2012 01:45 AM

Mursak is in no way, shape or form a NHL player. Maybe for the Islanders. He's too small and weak. Just another 5'10 prospect for the Wings and he is only the 5th best one. There are only so many spots any team can have for players this size.

Winger98 10-02-2012 09:45 AM

Mursak might be 5'11'', but he's listed at 190 lbs. A guy like Miller is three inches taller, but weighs just 178. Plus, Mursak has speed to burn. I'd take my chances with the short and stout speedster over the string bean.

RedWingsNow* 10-02-2012 09:49 AM

The other thing I like about Mursak is that he's smart (scholastically) and he works hard.
When other members of the Saginaw Spirit were getting in trouble, Mursak was getting straight As and being and upstanding citizen

Sure, if he was dumb as a rock and 6'3, that would be great. But Mursak seems like the kind of kid who will do what needs to be done to get his best shot.

sully61 10-02-2012 10:40 AM

He has the red wing attitude which is nice, but he us missing the strength. He's weak and that's a problem, especially at his age.

RedWingsNow* 10-02-2012 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by sully61 (Post 54716005)
He has the red wing attitude which is nice, but he us missing the strength. He's weak and that's a problem, especially at his age.

I don't think he's weak.

Harnessed in Slums 10-02-2012 11:29 AM

He was guaranteed a roster spot coming into last season while Emmerton was on the outside looking in. What Emmerton has in his favor is he's a center and that allowed the Wings to put Abby at wing where he's at his best. Mursak could be a good speedy PK'er and forechecker and would probably be best suited on a line with Abdelkader and Helm. I hope he gets a shot but getting injured last year might have crushed any shot he had at earning a spot with the club. I think he'll be a legit NHL'er, not another Mattias Ritola.

The Wings over-ripe philosophy has a lot going for it but there are guys playing in GR who could make the team better but will not be given a shot because they can be sent down without being subjected to waivers. That's just how it goes and Mursak quite possibly saw his one shot last year go up in flames due to no fault of his own. We'll have to wait and see how everything shakes out.

pdd 10-02-2012 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by fabricoh (Post 54716933)
He was guaranteed a roster spot coming into last season while Emmerton was on the outside looking in. What Emmerton has in his favor is he's a center and that allowed the Wings to put Abby at wing where he's at his best. Mursak could be a good speedy PK'er and forechecker and would probably be best suited on a line with Abdelkader and Helm. I hope he gets a shot but getting injured last year might have crushed any shot he had at earning a spot with the club. I think he'll be a legit NHL'er, not another Mattias Ritola.

The Wings over-ripe philosophy has a lot going for it but there are guys playing in GR who could make the team better but will not be given a shot because they can be sent down without being subjected to waivers. That's just how it goes and Mursak quite possibly saw his one shot last year go up in flames due to no fault of his own. We'll have to wait and see how everything shakes out.

Emmerton also played his way into the season opener's lineup. The Wings will probably burn off Eaves and one (or more) of Miller/Mursak/Emmerton. And it may depend on how they see Abby, Andersson and Sheahan going forward; if they have Abby slotted as #4 for the forseeable future, Emmerton is probably outs with Eaves. If they want to get him back on the wing, Emmy stays unless they want to put Andersson or Sheahan on the team this year. Miller slotted himself clearly ahead of Eaves in terms of "please don't waive me or trade me to a cellar dweller" with his performance last year. He'd also be ahead of Abby and possibly even Helm in that respect if he were a similar age. Mursak is basically waiting to see where the chips fall; he doesn't have nearly as much control over the situation as the others did - and Mursak's chances diminished because of Miller and Emmerton taking advantage of their chances while Eaves also suffered injury.

As for an Abdelkader/Helm line... the proper third forward for that line is Tootoo. Aside from that, you build three scoring lines around Dats, Z, Flip, Franzen, Cleary, Sammy, Bert, and two of Nyquist/Brunner/Tatar

I'm a fan of:

Bert/Dats/Brunner
Nyquist/Z/Sammy
Franzen/Flip/Cleary

Alternatively:

Flip/Dats/Brunner
Nyquist/Z/Sammy
Bert/Franzen/Cleary


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