HFBoards

HFBoards (http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/index.php)
-   Mixed Martial Arts (http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/forumdisplay.php?f=234)
-   -   Dream matches that never happened: who do you wish fought? When? Who would've won? (http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1261915)

kurt 09-19-2012 12:32 AM

Dream matches that never happened: who do you wish fought? When? Who would've won?
 
The "greatest fights" thread got me thinking... who would you have liked to have seen fight the most, and when? Who do you think would have won?

A few fights that come to mind for me:

Fedor Emelianenko vs. Randy Couture (2008)

How absolutely huge would that have been for the sport, if it happened. I can't help but think Couture would have been finished though.

Matt Hughes vs. Kazushi Sakuraba (2002)

It would have been on the heels of Sakuraba's losses to Vovchanchyn and Wanderlei, but within his weight class he was still on top. Would have been great to see Hughes face who was arguably the best fighter in the world at the time.

BJ Penn vs. Shinya Aoki (2008)

Another best vs. best dream fight. I would have given Penn the edge, given his standup and perfect takedown defense.

Junior dos Santos vs. Alistair Overeem (2012)

OHHH MAN WOULD THIS HAVE EVER RULED. I think JDS would have won by knockout.

Jon Jones vs. Dan Henderson (2012)

Too bad, so sad. Who else is there for Jones? This Henderson fight is the most compelling matchup there is right now. I don't think Henderson has the tools to beat Jones though... I think Jones is too smart a fighter to get caught. I'd see this being a TKO win for Jones.

BJ Penn vs. Gilbert Melendez (2012)

Melendez has cleared out Strikeforce, and this matchup would have been a great indicator of where he stands. I hope they make something like this happen. I think Penn would have won a decision.

Fedor Emelianenko vs. Brock Lesnar (2013)

Yes please. I have no idea what I would expect. Brock wilts from strikes, but he's bigger and a better wrestler than Bigfoot. Fedor by TKO, strictly because I'm biased.

End of Line 09-19-2012 12:35 AM

Brock Lesnar vs Fedor Emelianenko (2009): It would have been the biggest MMA in history.

Gene Parmesan 09-19-2012 01:48 AM

Fedor vs Brock (2009)-Lesnar would immediately try and take him down but would not be succesful...Fedor would begin to overwhelm him a barrage and knock him down to win via tko or limb ripping armbar...im sure my bias is shining through. I get the feeling this fight is going to happen...something just tells me it is.

Jose Aldo vs BJ Penn-this always intrigued me..could happen at 155 lbs. Penn's boxing against Aldo's muay thai..both bjjj black belts..both can be ruthless finishers...BJ at 155 is an absolute monster.

PierreMcGuire* 09-19-2012 02:21 AM

Brock Lesnar vs. Fedor Emelianenko would have been the biggest fight of all time, so disappointed that it never happened.

Jon Jones vs. Anderson Silva, it could happen in the future, but I doubt it. I imagine when Silva is retired, this will be a fight a lot of people wished happened.

Avs_19 09-19-2012 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kurt (Post 54440129)
Junior dos Santos vs. Alistair Overeem (2012)

OHHH MAN WOULD THIS HAVE EVER RULED. I think JDS would have won by knockout.

I think this fight will happen next year. It's unfortunate that it will be after the testosterone/PED stuff involving Overeem but it's still one of the fights I'm looking forward to the most.

End of Line 09-19-2012 10:17 AM

Yeah, JDS/Ubereem will likely happen next year.

Jasper 09-19-2012 10:55 AM

Fedor vs. Anderson a few years ago would've been interesting.

ck26 09-19-2012 12:31 PM

Andrei Arlovski vs Mirko Cro Cop (2005)

Arlovski was the first UFC heavyweight champ who really carried an invincible aura (2nd after Coleman maybe?) until he dropped the belt to Tim Sylvia; seeing his boxing against Pride's most ferocious heavyweight striker would have been spectacular.

AndyPipkin 09-19-2012 02:50 PM

Is JDS any more of an accomplished striker then anyone Ubereem has fought before?

Would have loved Fedor vs Randy.

ck26 09-19-2012 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyPipkin (Post 54451137)
Is JDS any more of an accomplished striker then anyone Ubereem has fought before?

Would have loved Fedor vs Randy.

MMA boxing is so much different than K-1 boxing that it's hard to say; dos Santos is clearly the best MMA boxer I've ever seen. Guys like Mark Hunt and Paul Buentello are obviously super-tough, but they're not on the same planet as dos Santos ... the Overeem who fought Shogun / Belfort no longer exists, and their style is nothing like dos Santos anyway.

If we can cross eras, I'd like to see young, UFC 4 Royce Gracie fight against 2010 Demian Maia or 2009 Thales Leites. Might be super-boring, might be the best MMA jiu jitsu matches ever.

kurt 09-19-2012 07:00 PM

Bruce Lee vs Rorion Gracie (1972)

Gracie by triangle choke, 37 minutes into round 1.

DaaaaB's 09-20-2012 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ck26 (Post 54452469)
MMA boxing is so much different than K-1 boxing that it's hard to say; dos Santos is clearly the best MMA boxer I've ever seen. Guys like Mark Hunt and Paul Buentello are obviously super-tough, but they're not on the same planet as dos Santos ... the Overeem who fought Shogun / Belfort no longer exists, and their style is nothing like dos Santos anyway.

The Overeem that exists today is a much better fighter than the one that fought Belfort and Shogun (not sure if that's what you're saying or not). Picking a winner between JDS/Overeem is very tough. They're both sick strikers. It's a toss-up to me.
Quote:

Originally Posted by kurt (Post 54456867)
Bruce Lee vs Rorion Gracie (1972)

Gracie by triangle choke, 37 minutes into round 1.

Why Rorion?

Weren't Rolls and Carly more highly regarded at the time if I recall correctly. I'd have to do a Gracie family refresher to know for sure as I might have them mixed.

Either way, Bruce Lee knocks out any Gracie in the first 10 minutes of the fight.;) And if it's a no holds barred street fight, Lee wins in under a minute. Bruce Lee was the man.

kurt 09-20-2012 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaaaaB's (Post 54470515)
Why Rorion?

Weren't Rolls and Carly more highly regarded at the time if I recall correctly. I'd have to do a Gracie family refresher to know for sure as I might have them mixed.

Either way, Bruce Lee knocks out any Gracie in the first 10 minutes of the fight.;) And if it's a no holds barred street fight, Lee wins in under a minute. Bruce Lee was the man.

I thought he was the oldest of Helio's kids. I didn't consider his nephews. And you're right, Carley would have probably been a better choice. Rolls may have been a little young.

Not sure about the KO. I think Carley would butt-scoot towards Lee and eventually either bait him into guard or grab a leg. I guess it depends on how familiar Bruce Lee became with BJJ before the fight.

DeathFromAbove 09-20-2012 08:23 PM

Mike Tyson vs. Royce Gracie (UFC 1) - Tyson was in jail at this time, but I think it would have been incredible if the UFC somehow got him in one of the tournaments. All it would take is one punch.

Brock Lesnar vs. Fedor Emelianenko (2009) - This would have been the biggest MMA fight of all time. At the time both looked unstoppable. I think Fedor would have taken it.

Anderson Silva vs. Lyoto Machida (2009) - Two strikers that looked absolutely invincible. I had passionate debates about this one with friends.

Chuck Liddell vs. Wanderlei Silva (2004) - By the time they actually got around to fighting each other both had lost their auras of invincibility.

PierreMcGuire* 09-21-2012 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaaaaB's (Post 54470515)
The Overeem that exists today is a much better fighter than the one that fought Belfort and Shogun (not sure if that's what you're saying or not). Picking a winner between JDS/Overeem is very tough. They're both sick strikers. It's a toss-up to me.

I think that's what he's trying to say, because Overeem is a much better fighter now, than he was when he fought Belfort and Shogun.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaaaaB's (Post 54470515)
Either way, Bruce Lee knocks out any Gracie in the first 10 minutes of the fight.;) And if it's a no holds barred street fight, Lee wins in under a minute. Bruce Lee was the man.

I would expect Bruce Lee to defeat any Gracie, as well. I would never bet against Bruce Lee in a fight. Bruce Lee was the man, no doubt.

Also as much as I like Fedor I don't think he would or could have beat Lesnar if that fight ever happened, but I would have still loved to have seen it happen.

DaaaaB's 09-21-2012 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kurt (Post 54472067)
I thought he was the oldest of Helio's kids. I didn't consider his nephews. And you're right, Carley would have probably been a better choice. Rolls may have been a little young.

Not sure about the KO. I think Carley would butt-scoot towards Lee and eventually either bait him into guard or grab a leg. I guess it depends on how familiar Bruce Lee became with BJJ before the fight.

Yeah, it's impossible to know how Lee would've fared against one of the Gracies. Lee was an amazing fighter and way ahead of his time but I remember reading a quote from him where he talked about training with a world class wrestler (Karl Gotch, I think) and how if the wrestler got ahold of him and took him down there was very little he could do. That was when he just started training wrestling though so he may have improved afterwards. Lee was just an unreal physical speciman though so I'd have trouble betting on anyone in his weight class to beat him.

AndyPipkin 09-21-2012 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kurt (Post 54472067)
I thought he was the oldest of Helio's kids. I didn't consider his nephews. And you're right, Carley would have probably been a better choice. Rolls may have been a little young.

Not sure about the KO. I think Carley would butt-scoot towards Lee and eventually either bait him into guard or grab a leg. I guess it depends on how familiar Bruce Lee became with BJJ before the fight.

No love for Rickson?

DaaaaB's 09-22-2012 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyPipkin (Post 54502911)
No love for Rickson?

Rickson would've been 14 years old in 1972.

I am the Liquor 09-22-2012 03:51 PM

Steven Segal vs Pat Morita.

Frank Dux vs Jean-Claude Van Damme.

Chuck Norris vs the Fonz.

Kimo vs Harold Howard.

Bronn 09-23-2012 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaaaaB's (Post 54470515)
The Overeem that exists today is a much better fighter than the one that fought Belfort and Shogun (not sure if that's what you're saying or not). Picking a winner between JDS/Overeem is very tough. They're both sick strikers. It's a toss-up to me.

If Reem gets tagged vs JDS as much as he did vs Werdum then he's going to sleep quickly. He tend to use the same defense in MMA as he does in K1 and with 4oz gloves that's a big no no against a guy like JDS. His offensive arsenal is top notch but his defense his questionnable. Hell even Brock tagged him a few times with slow ass jabs before getting kneed in the stomach. He also has a tendency to fold when pressured and his gas tank may be a problem past the first round.

I think JDS would capitulate on one of those flaws and win but i sure as hell don't count Reem out. One clinch and a couple of Uberknees and it may be the end of JDS. I still favor Junior though.

That said this fight needs to happen sometimes in 2013. Its the best possible matchup at HW at the moment imho.

LEAFANFORLIFE23 10-02-2012 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gene Parmesan (Post 54440579)
Fedor vs Brock (2009)-Lesnar would immediately try and take him down but would not be succesful...Fedor would begin to overwhelm him a barrage and knock him down to win via tko or limb ripping armbar...im sure my bias is shining through. I get the feeling this fight is going to happen...something just tells me it is.

Jose Aldo vs BJ Penn-this always intrigued me..could happen at 155 lbs. Penn's boxing against Aldo's muay thai..both bjjj black belts..both can be ruthless finishers...BJ at 155 is an absolute monster.

aldo would dominate penn is well past his prime

LEAFANFORLIFE23 10-02-2012 09:01 AM

GSP VS Silva and i think we will finally get it

Gene Parmesan 10-03-2012 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LEAFANFORLIFE23 (Post 54714423)
aldo would dominate penn is well past his prime

Now maybe. Prime BJ vs. Aldo would be a different story. Of course Aldo would get hurt before it happened :laugh:

Bird Law 10-07-2012 11:52 PM

These lists are all missing Faber v. Torres.

That was the dream fight of many for years when they were both at the tops of their games.

I'd of picked Faber by decision, though Torres may very well would win by sub.

kurt 10-08-2012 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan. (Post 54839277)
These lists are all missing Faber v. Torres.

That was the dream fight of many for years when they were both at the tops of their games.

I'd of picked Faber by decision, though Torres may very well would win by sub.

I remember the days when people would argue Torres was the P4P best in the world. I never agreed as many smaller guys were up at 155 to fight in the UFC, but he was definitely one of the best little guys in the world.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:34 AM.

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com, A property of CraveOnline, a division of AtomicOnline LLC ©2009 CraveOnline Media, LLC. All Rights Reserved.