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Aceonfire 09-20-2012 01:30 AM

Tor-edm
 
EDM: Kadri

TOR: Paajarvi

I am certain both sides have issues with either player, but this could be beneficial for both teams.

Paajarvi has size, speed, and a good two-way game.

Kadri has been criticized for his lack of defensive abilities, but has way more upside offensively.

Kadri would benefit from EDMs run and gun style, and would almost certainly have ice time considering the amount of injuries that pile up on the Oil.

Paajarvi is a Carlyle type of player. Big, fast and contributes offensively.

WeridAl 09-20-2012 01:37 AM

Paajarvi has shown more offensive abilities in the NHL then Kadri, MPS also has great defensive skills. Pass on Kadri.

JSC 09-20-2012 02:22 AM

Already have a player like Kadri in Gagner. Also, if Paajarvi's offensive game doesn't translate, he'll still be an excellent third liner because of his defence. Same can't be said about Kadri.

IrishPaulie 09-20-2012 03:26 AM

I'd say the value is very similar but where is the motivation for either team to do this?

Four1 Lead 09-20-2012 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeridAl (Post 54464523)
Paajarvi has shown more offensive abilities in the NHL then Kadri, MPS also has great defensive skills. Pass on Kadri.

Kadri is 6.3 months older than Paajarvi.

Last season...

Paajarvi: 8 points in 41 games (NHL)
Kadri: 7 points in 21 games (NHL)

Paajarvi: 25 points in 34 games (AHL)
Kadri: 40 points in 48 games (AHL)

Paajarvi: 11 points in 14 games (AHL playoffs)
Kadri: 10 points in 11 games (AHL playoffs)

NHL career totals...

Paajarvi: 42 points in 121 games (0.347 PPG)
Kadri: 19 points in 51 games (0.372 PPG)

AHL career totals...

Paajarvi: 25 points in 34 games (0.735 PPG)
Kadri: 81 points in 92 games (0.880 PPG)

Four1 Lead 09-20-2012 03:27 AM

And a big no to the trade offer for Toronto.

PierreMcGuire* 09-20-2012 03:39 AM

Similar value. But not a trade either team would be inclined to make at this time.

oilwings 09-20-2012 04:05 AM

HELL NO from the Oilers.

IBLEAF 09-20-2012 08:51 AM

**** no from the leafs

CreeksideStrangler 09-20-2012 09:12 AM

Haha. No way. Kadri is better

Kass Effect 09-20-2012 09:17 AM

Hall/RNH/Eberle
Yakupov/Gagner/Kadri

softest top 6 in the league. Terrible idea.

smoke meat pete* 09-20-2012 10:05 AM

Leafs need centers not wingers. Kadri stays as at best it is a sideways move for both teams.

Why are so many convince Kadri will be a winger his whole life?

5RingsAndABeer 09-20-2012 10:12 AM

Kadri has better offensive creativity, but MPS is better in basically every other aspect. Even if MPS can't end up as a top6 winger, he's still got the ability to be a fantastic 3rd line shutdown winger. If Kadri can't crack it in the top6, he's not an NHL calibre guy.

birddog* 09-20-2012 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeridAl (Post 54464523)
Paajarvi has shown more offensive abilities in the NHL then Kadri, MPS also has great defensive skills. Pass on Kadri.

His 41 games and 2 goals last year? 8 points? Compared to Kadri's 5 goals in 21 games? Learn to read numbers.

birddog* 09-20-2012 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProspectProphet (Post 54467539)
Hall/RNH/Eberle
Yakupov/Gagner/Kadri

softest top 6 in the league. Terrible idea.

MPS does not make it any tougher. In fact he probably doesn't make top 6.

Blaylock38 09-20-2012 10:26 AM

vlaue is there, preference isn't, leafs keep kadri. they could have drafted mps.

Fourier 09-20-2012 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by birddog (Post 54468625)
His 41 games and 2 goals last year? 8 points? Compared to Kadri's 5 goals in 21 games? Learn to read numbers.

Is it possible that the reference was to a 15 goal 34 point season as a rookie?

At this point no one knows which of these two turns out to be the better player. I'd keep Paajarvi myself because he has the potential to fit better with the Oilers. Leaf fans probably feel the same about Kadri. So be it.

Aceonfire 09-20-2012 10:34 AM

I swear the Leaf and Oil fan bases are the most biased by far. To other teams both of these players would be considered AHL talent based on how they have been playing. And neither has been able to break into the top 6 consistently. Its tough to say which has more upside, but the comments here are hilarious.

Kaen 09-20-2012 10:53 AM

The Oilers have enough one dimensional offensive players. The value is fair, but Kadri doesn't fill a need for Edmonton at all.

sparxx87 09-20-2012 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceonfire (Post 54469017)
I swear the Leaf and Oil fan bases are the most biased by far. To other teams both of these players would be considered AHL talent based on how they have been playing. And neither has been able to break into the top 6 consistently. Its tough to say which has more upside, but the comments here are hilarious.

AHL talent? AHL talent doesn't go top 10 in a draft. Both players have NHL skillsets, they just need to put it all together. Time will tell if they can.


I don't think either team does this. From my understanding, neither team has given up on their player as both have shown flashes of what they could be... Both teams just wait it out with their guy IMO.


Some players just take longer to refine their game. If they were part of the Red Wings organization they'd still be considered top prospects with high upside... But since they play for two of the most impatient fanbases in the league, they're considered busts or 'AHL talent' to quote the genius above me.

vespa99 09-20-2012 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaen (Post 54469397)
The Oilers have enough one dimensional offensive players. The value is fair, but Kadri doesn't fill a need for Edmonton at all.

This

ronnyweed 09-20-2012 11:51 AM

You don't trade kadri before seeing how a summer with Gary Roberts will impact his game this year

BattleGuy 09-20-2012 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mika Zibanejad (Post 54465093)
Kadri is 6.3 months older than Paajarvi.

Last season...

Paajarvi: 8 points in 41 games (NHL)
Kadri: 7 points in 21 games (NHL)

Paajarvi: 25 points in 34 games (AHL)
Kadri: 40 points in 48 games (AHL)

Paajarvi: 11 points in 14 games (AHL playoffs)
Kadri: 10 points in 11 games (AHL playoffs)

NHL career totals...

Paajarvi: 42 points in 121 games (0.347 PPG)
Kadri: 19 points in 51 games (0.372 PPG)

AHL career totals...

Paajarvi: 25 points in 34 games (0.735 PPG)
Kadri: 81 points in 92 games (0.880 PPG)


This doesn't factor in the fact that MPS is bigger, stonger,faster, younger and actually has a defensive aspect to his game.

Sloth Slothersons* 09-20-2012 12:45 PM

No we don't need Kadri's skill set. If Paajarvi puts it together, he will be more valuable to us.

LEAFS FAN 4 EVER 09-20-2012 12:52 PM

In my opinion the Leafs say no to this trade and I honestly can't see how this helps either team.


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