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joe89 09-20-2012 02:06 AM

Swedes in the AHL
 
http://www.hockeysverige.se/article/...-har-ar-listan

41 guys already down to the minors, and Senators remains.. We'll have close to 50 Swedes in the AHL. Out of those, only about a dozen can be sure to play in the NHL when it resumes play. Thoughts about this? Not all of them are top prospects, but all in all they're players that would make Elitserien a whole lot better. Is this healthy and good for Swedish hockey that our youngsters now develop almost exclusively in the AHL instead of Elitserien?

I gotta say I'm getting a bit sceptical. Not entirely sure what you can do about it though..

romelson 09-20-2012 04:16 AM

The AHL will be stacked with NHL players during the lockout. The AHL will be a much better league to play and develop in, than it ever has been before. I see no reason to worry for playing there. Many of them need to adopt/adjust to the north american hockey anyways.
They will be even better prepared to make the step to the NHL in the future. Some of them wont take that step, but it's their choice to head over and give it a shot. You cant blame them for that.

joe89 09-20-2012 04:52 AM

I was more getting at the big picture, Swedish hockey. Individually I know the difference isn't significant and case to case.

The status of Elitserien is decreasing by the day when not only the best but also the slightly above average players move away from it. In some cases, even the average ones. I see it as a problem. They need to reach a new better transfer agreement and hopefully extend the length of the NHL rights to a player again, so players aren't rushed to sign because of a deadline. When you lose a good prospect, you should at least get the money to acquire another equally good player. In a perfect world, teams should make some profit out of developing a player. NHL if any league can afford to pay for its players. To please the NHL, take a long look at the rink size instead. Maybe they would feel better leaving them in Sweden to develop further knowing they play on the small ice already.

Theokritos 09-20-2012 05:12 AM

The NHL is in a position of power, I don't think there is anything you can do about it. Except joining forces with the KHL, which is probably not what you want to hear.

Huffman 09-20-2012 05:13 AM

Many of these AHL-players will soon be back in Sweden. A drafted SEL-player with low icetime often benefits from playing in a development league such as the AHL where he often gets the chance to play an offensive role on the team. Many of these 41 guys will never make their NHL-team but come home as better players, the KHL is then the biggest threat to our league.

Hockeyfrilla 09-20-2012 08:42 AM

A new tranfser agreement wich allows NHL clubs to hold rights of a player 4 years intead of 2 would be nice.

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Originally Posted by Theokritos (Post 54465389)
. Except joining forces with the KHL, which is probably not what you want to hear.

Swedish hockey needs to stay away from KHL.

joe89 09-21-2012 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Theokritos (Post 54465389)
The NHL is in a position of power, I don't think there is anything you can do about it. Except joining forces with the KHL, which is probably not what you want to hear.

Which makes the transfer agreement that much more important from a Swedish POV. The Swedes want to go overseas, the NHL is the dream, and there's no doubt about that. Likewise the NHL wants the Swedes, there's no doubt about that either. There's around 100 Swedes under NHL contract. So it's important that the federation steps up. The clubs aren't losing one, two players once in a while anymore - more like a few per season.

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Originally Posted by perry2perry (Post 54465395)
Many of these AHL-players will soon be back in Sweden. A drafted SEL-player with low icetime often benefits from playing in a development league such as the AHL where he often gets the chance to play an offensive role on the team. Many of these 41 guys will never make their NHL-team but come home as better players, the KHL is then the biggest threat to our league.

Maybe, but many of the younger returnees eventually coming back to play in Sweden(and not KHL) have not really been top players either. I'm thinking of guys like Ryno, Ritola, Harju. Brunnström doesn't look like he'll be dominant anytime soon either. You also have to pay up to be able to sign a guy returning after a few years in North America. The Finns have been replaced by pretty good North Americans instead, that is more of a wash. Bottomline, the players we're getting back aren't covering the losses, so the league is gradually getting worse. Or maybe some of you doesn't share that view? Better to be pro-active than watch where things land in 5-10 years, imo.

cheerupmurray 09-21-2012 11:46 AM

I agree with Joe that there is a problem and SEL is getting worse every season The real problem would be if swedes got a great reputation in KHL, imagine 100 swedes in AHL/NHL and 40-50 in KHL. Impossible to keep the same quality.

However swedes often are in their prime from ages 25-30. Right now the players in this agespan was born 1982-1986, theese are some really weak agegroups in swedish hockey. In a few years the good really deep agegroups, like for example 1990, 1991 will enter what suppose to be their prime, which I think will add much needed quality to SEL.

joe89 09-21-2012 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cheerupmurray (Post 54492387)
I agree with Joe that there is a problem and SEL is getting worse every season The real problem would be if swedes got a great reputation in KHL, imagine 100 swedes in AHL/NHL and 40-50 in KHL. Impossible to keep the same quality.

However swedes often are in their prime from ages 25-30. Right now the players in this agespan was born 1982-1986, theese are some really weak agegroups in swedish hockey. In a few years the good really deep agegroups, like for example 1990, 1991 will enter what suppose to be their prime, which I think will add much needed quality to SEL.

The poor prime-aged age groups surely plays a part, and I hope that's the case. I'm just not a fan of "wait and see what happens".

I think the KHL part is inevitable aswell. 100NA+50KHL soon are not outlandish numbers, we're already at ~85+20 and only in the middle of the golden age groups that are coming. Just 10 years ago, we were at 50+change, the rest were playing in Sweden.

Hockeyfrilla 10-04-2012 04:46 AM

Silfverberg 1G 1A, Zibanejad 1G 1A in Binghamtons first preaseason game.

joe89 10-11-2012 02:51 AM

I guess we can make this the official Swedes in the AHL thread.

This is what we're looking at http://www.eliteprospects.com/player...AHL&NationID=1. Many of them will undoubtedly play big roles. Personally I'm looking forward to see what little brother Stålberg can do in his first pro season and if Tedenby can finally get things together. Also a big season the goalies, trying to make their push for an NHL spot.

Hockeyfrilla 10-11-2012 03:55 AM

Anton Blomqvist & Mattias Lindström has been sent down to ECHL. (Expected)

Hockeyfrilla 10-13-2012 04:34 AM

Opening night yesterday, most noteable was Patric Cehlin who had 2 goals

joe89 10-14-2012 06:44 AM

Good start for the goalies. Markstrom was benched though, but I think that's because they play a strong Houston team today and they wanted both to play in the opening weekend.

jfc64 10-14-2012 11:07 AM

Four U20 players in Zibanejad, Rask, Brodin and Hampus Lindholm (94!).

joe89 10-15-2012 03:12 AM

Swedes I watched and that impressed me the first weekend: Läck, Lehner, Claesson, Brodin, Krüger, Cehlin.

mikjo344 10-15-2012 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by joe89 (Post 55004141)
Swedes I watched and that impressed me the first weekend: Läck, Lehner, Claesson, Brodin, Krüger, Cehlin.

do you stream the games or watch them elsewhere? I'got ESPN america and they seem to broadcast a couple of games per week.

joe89 10-15-2012 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mikjo344 (Post 55004251)
do you stream the games or watch them elsewhere? I'got ESPN america and they seem to broadcast a couple of games per week.

I use hockeystreams.com

Rutkowski 10-15-2012 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joe89 (Post 55004141)
Swedes I watched and that impressed me the first weekend: Läck, Lehner, Claesson, Brodin, Krüger, Cehlin.

OEL was pretty good except for that one bad power play.

Hockeyfrilla 10-17-2012 09:07 AM

From the new proposal:

"NHL Clubs who draft European Players obtain four (4) years of exclusive negotiating rights following selection in the Draft. If the four-year period expires, Player will be eligible to enter the League as a Free Agent and will not be subject to re-entering the Draft."

joe89 10-17-2012 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hockeyfrilla (Post 55057165)
From the new proposal:

"NHL Clubs who draft European Players obtain four (4) years of exclusive negotiating rights following selection in the Draft. If the four-year period expires, Player will be eligible to enter the League as a Free Agent and will not be subject to re-entering the Draft."

I like it. Two years is obviously not good for either the club or the player most of the time. We would no doubt get more players to stay an extra year or two in Sweden.

Hockeyfrilla 10-21-2012 04:01 AM



(Bsens gave up a 5-0 lead after this fight and lost 5-6)

XX 10-21-2012 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Rutkowski (Post 55005121)
OEL was pretty good except for that one bad power play.

OEL is a #1 D in the NHL yet playing in the AHL for fun. Probably why he has 3 goals, 5 points in 3 games.

joe89 10-21-2012 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Hockeyfrilla (Post 55157085)
(Bsens gave up a 5-0 lead after this fight and lost 5-6)

You can tell they've got a rookie coach. Not saying Lehner did right or wrong, but no veteran coach would blame his goalie sticking up for himself after a 5-0 blown lead. There has to be some self-critique.

romelson 10-25-2012 04:21 AM

AHL Swedes scoreboard.

Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Portland, 5-3-4-7
Mattias Ekholm, Milwaukee, 5-2-3-5
Jacob Josefsson, Albany, 4-3-1-4
David Rundblad, Portland, 5-0-4-4
Sebastian Stålberg, Worcester 4-3-0-3
Patrick Cehlin, Milwaukee, 5-3-0-3
Gustav Nyquist, Grand Rapids, 4-2-1-3
Jonas Brodin, Houston, 5-2-1-3
Magnus Pääjärvi, Oklahoma, 5-1-2-3
Andre Petersson, Binghamton, 5-0-3-3
John Persson, Bridgeport, 3-2-0-2
Johan Sundström, Bridgeport, 3-1-1-2
Mattias Tedenby, Albany, 4-1-1-2
Jacob Silfwerberg, Binghamton, 5-1-1-2
David Ullström, Bridgeport, 3-0-2-2
Adam Larsson, Albany, 4-0-2-2
Tim Erixon, Springfield, 4-0-2-2
Erik Gustafsson, Adirondack, 5-0-2-2
Mika Zibanejad, Binghamton, 5-0-2-2
Johan Larsson, Houston, 5-0-2-2
Carl Klingberg, St Johns, 2-1-0-1
Joakim Andersson, Grand Rapids, 3-1-0-1
Mattias Sjögren, Hershey, 4-1-0-1
Fredrik Claesson, Binghamton, 3-0-1-1
Alexander Urbom, Albany, 4-0-1-1
Hampus Lindholm, Norfolk, 4-0-1-1
Adam Almquist, Grand Rapids, 2-0-0-0
Klas Dahlbeck, Rockford, 2-0-0-0
Philip Samuelsson, Wilkes-Barre, 3-0-0-0
Anton Lander, Oklahoma, 4-0-0-0
Peter Andersson, Chicago, 4-0-0-0
Sebastian Wännström, Peoria, 4-0-0-0
Anton Rödin, Chicago, 5-0-0-0
Patrik Nemeth, Texas, 6-0-0-0


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