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PeterForsberg 09-22-2012 01:30 AM

Patrick Marleau
 
What's Marleau's value? What do the Sharks want for him? I know he has a NTC, but let's forget about that.

His traits:
-Good defensive player
-Good 2nd line winger
-Good shot

TheJuxtaposer 09-22-2012 01:34 AM

If you're only valuing him as a 2nd line winger, then this isn't going to get very far... Besides, Marleau threads never end well. :/

Vankiller Whale 09-22-2012 01:37 AM

Probably a younger, faster, slightly worse forward with upside.

BCShark 09-22-2012 01:38 AM

as a sharks fan i would love to get rid of patty

Aceonfire 09-22-2012 01:41 AM

Marleau can also play center, that always adds to his value. He is also still one of the fastest players in the game. I would love to have him as an Oiler, but I have no idea what the asking price would be.

Hemsky, 1st 2013.

I think Hemsky would mesh well with SJs style, and the trade back of salary wouldn't hurt the Oilers as much. SJ is also pretty bare on the RW.
The sharks would also get a pick in a very deep talented draft.

Hall-Nuge-Ebs
Mar-Gag-Yak

I love that top 6.

Arrch 09-22-2012 01:46 AM

He's a 1st line winger or 2nd line center.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceonfire (Post 54505859)
Hemsky, 1st 2013.

Unless this is a deadline deal and the Oilers haven't won a game and Patrick Marleau is out for the remainder of the regular season, No.

Numbers 09-22-2012 02:57 AM

If the sharks tank this season, no pun intended, could be a nice pickup at the deadline for the Canucks. Obviously start with a 1st and go from there.

TheJuxtaposer 09-22-2012 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 54505815)
Probably a younger, faster, slightly worse forward with upside.

You don't get much faster than Marleau. :laugh:

Pinkfloyd 09-22-2012 10:12 AM

If you forget about the NMC then his value would be immense. There aren't many left wingers in this game that can put up 30+ goals, play as well as him defensively, and have the versatility to play with different players either at wing or center and still succeed. He's not dependent on anyone to score.

With the NMC, I couldn't tell you what his value is because nobody really knows where he'd want to play if it wasn't San Jose. I would guess that Calgary and Winnipeg might be on there as well as maybe LA, Anaheim, Colorado, and possibly Minnesota. If all those teams were on that list then maybe you can get decent value but if it's just say three teams then his return won't be that great.

You can't really generalize it and say he'll return a younger forward and this and that. It's going to be dependent on what teams he is willing to go to and what they have because if the Sharks are open to trading Marleau, they're going to have to take whoever the best young asset is that they're being offered whether it's a forward, d-man, or a goalie as they will need all of them when that eventual rebuild hits.

Ghetto Sangria 09-22-2012 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceonfire (Post 54505859)
Marleau can also play center, that always adds to his value. He is also still one of the fastest players in the game. I would love to have him as an Oiler, but I have no idea what the asking price would be.

Hemsky, 1st 2013.

I think Hemsky would mesh well with SJs style, and the trade back of salary wouldn't hurt the Oilers as much. SJ is also pretty bare on the RW.
The sharks would also get a pick in a very deep talented draft.

Hall-Nuge-Ebs
Mar-Gag-Yak

I love that top 6.

I think this deal would interest both clubs no?

CommanderShepard15 09-22-2012 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceonfire (Post 54505859)
Hemsky, 1st 2013.

I do love the idea of adding MacKinnon to this team :naughty: :sarcasm:

ScottyDont 09-22-2012 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Danglez (Post 54509591)
I think this deal would interest both clubs no?

I don't know much about Hemsky, but on the surface he's had injuries and pretty poor numbers. Hemsky also isn't that young at 29. I think I'd want someone younger or more proven then this guy. And his salary hit seems way to high.

If he had more seasons like 200708 maybe, but as of right now, pass.

Bernier the Boats 09-22-2012 01:08 PM

Interested from Toronto. Any two prospects not including Rielly + roster player would work for me. Think he'd be perfect with Phil.

sabrescupbound 09-22-2012 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeterForsberg (Post 54505697)
What's Marleau's value? What do the Sharks want for him? I know he has a NTC, but let's forget about that.

His traits:
-Good defensive player
-Good 2nd line winger
-Good shot

Would this be going into somewhat of a rebuild mode?

I would do Hodgson, Leino, Leopold, Adam, Brennen, and a first for Thornton and Marleau

I know I'm gonna get crap for Leino but he would have to be included to make enough cap. That's also why I added Brennen. So 3 top prospects, A good Dman that they can release after next year if they wish, and Leino with a first. Great rebuild package if you ask me.

tsujimoto74 09-22-2012 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabrescupbound (Post 54511435)
Would this be going into somewhat of a rebuild mode?

I would do Hodgson, Leino, Leopold, Adam, Brennen, and a first for Thornton and Marleau

I know I'm gonna get crap for Leino but he would have to be included to make enough cap. That's also why I added Brennen. So 3 top prospects, A good Dman that they can release after next year if they wish, and Leino with a first. Great rebuild package if you ask me.

Terribad. If Buffalo wanted to try to compete now and the Sharks wanted to blow up their core and rebuild, the return for those players would have actually include some of our best prospects, not B listers like Adam and Brennan. (Think Grigorenko, Armia, Pysyk...Quality young players.)

That said, I'd rather wait it out with our kids and (hopefully, if enough pan out) be competitive for many years, rather than trade them for guys who might only have a few prime years left.

Edit: I think Buffalo and SJS could make good trade partners for a "shake up" trade if both teams decide they want to change the look of the team without blowing everything up though. Like maybe Vanek for Marleau? Maybe a small + either way if it needs to be evened out.

DuckEatinShark 09-22-2012 02:06 PM

The return for Marleau would be a top line winger that can get us 35+ goals with Thornton. Preferably one with speed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceonfire (Post 54505859)
Hemsky, 1st 2013.

Value is close, but we need more goal-scorers than playmakers like Hemsky.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabrescupbound (Post 54511435)
I would do Hodgson, Leino, Leopold, Adam, Brennen, and a first for Thornton and Marleau

That's terrible. We aren't trading Thornton and if we are trading either of those two, we can get much better prospects and value for them.

For Marleau, Grigs would need be included. Then you would need to add a first and then some.

BigDmitriy 09-22-2012 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DuckEatinShark (Post 54512189)

For Marleau, Grigs would need be included. Then you would need to add a first and then some.

Yeah, I'd do Marleau for Grigs, 1st, and Adam. Thoughts?

tsujimoto74 09-22-2012 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDmitriy (Post 54513577)
Yeah, I'd do Marleau for Grigs, 1st, and Adam. Thoughts?

I wouldn't. I'm personally very high on Grigs' potential and think Buffalo is better off hanging onto our prospects/young players.

I do like Marleau though. What would Sharks fans think about a shake-up trade, something around Vanek for Marleau?

DuckEatinShark 09-22-2012 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsujimoto74 (Post 54513679)
I wouldn't. I'm personally very high on Grigs' potential and think Buffalo is better off hanging onto our prospects/young players.

I do like Marleau though. What would Sharks fans think about a shake-up trade, something around Vanek for Marleau?

I prefer Marleau over Vanek. We need more team speed in our top 6. Only Marleau and Havlat are considered fast.

You'll need to add.

bobafettish* 09-22-2012 04:02 PM

Probably something similar to what Jeff carter got

tsujimoto74 09-22-2012 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DuckEatinShark (Post 54514007)
I prefer Marleau over Vanek. We need more team speed in our top 6. Only Marleau and Havlat are considered fast.

You'll need to add.

Add what/how much?

fedfed 09-22-2012 04:14 PM

Something around Marleau for Johansson?

Nashology 09-22-2012 05:54 PM

Marleau is a 2nd liner?

He has put up 30 + goals in 6 of the last 7 years.
He has averaged 34 goals a year over that 7 year span.
He has averaged 72pts a season over the last 7 years.
He is one of the fastest skaters in the game.

Zippy316 09-22-2012 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nashology (Post 54516213)
Marleau is a 2nd liner?

He has put up 30 + goals in 6 of the last 7 years.
He has averaged 34 goals a year over that 7 year span.
He has averaged 72pts a season over the last 7 years.
He is one of the fastest skaters in the game.

The Sharks would want forwards, not defensemen for him right? If that's the case, I'm not even going to bother putting up a Devils proposal because they are terrible partners. :laugh:

Aceonfire 09-22-2012 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottyDont (Post 54510001)
I don't know much about Hemsky, but on the surface he's had injuries and pretty poor numbers. Hemsky also isn't that young at 29. I think I'd want someone younger or more proven then this guy. And his salary hit seems way to high.

If he had more seasons like 200708 maybe, but as of right now, pass.

This trade wouldn't be a huge shocker at the deadline if Hemsky has a decent season and stays healthy. Hemsky as of now is in great shape. He had 8 points in 9 games at the Worlds. He also had his 1st NHL hat trick in one of the final games of the season. And at this point, he is younger than Havlat and probably healthier.

His salary also seems to be the going rate for top 6 forwards. Havlat is actually a good comparable.


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