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keppel146 09-22-2012 08:59 PM

F Taylor Cammarata - U of Minnesota, NCAA (2013 , 76th overall, Islanders)
 
he did very well at shattuck, actually very very well. In his rookie season scored 69 points in 60 games in the USHL. NHL article preseason slated him as a "C" skater.

Stats: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=118430

Since he is a smaller player like Grimaldi, where do people see him being drafted and what do people think of him?

DraftNerd 09-23-2012 09:27 AM

In my opinion he has talent to be a top 5/10 pick. Skill is there but so small. Added 10 lbs but still small.
I could see bottom 1st top 2nd.

as15 09-23-2012 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DraftNerd (Post 54526949)
In my opinion he has talent to be a top 5/10 pick. Skill is there but so small. Added 10 lbs but still small.
I could see bottom 1st top 2nd.

So basically the same as Grimaldi.

cagney 09-23-2012 10:37 AM

Grimaldi brings an intensity and grittiness that I haven't seen from Cammarata yet so that may be what sets the two apart from an NHL perspective. Cammarata could have a Jaden Schwartz type of year in the USHL but he's still at least 3 inches shorter and 20 pounds lighter than Schwartz was during his draft year (I think his listed height and weight may be exaggerated). Right now I'd figure someone could take a chance on him in the second round but it seems more likely he'll go a bit later; maybe in the fourth like Johnny Gaudreau.

keppel146 09-23-2012 11:58 AM

its kind of unfortunate that so much of the game, especially in the NHL is based purely on the size of the person. i like to see the skill side of players and i think if this guy had an average frame he would be a top 15 or maybe top 10 pick easy. i strongly disagree that he is considered a "C" skater though.

amjay13 10-28-2012 05:28 PM

6 points today, 17 in 9 games thus far.

Victorious Secret 10-28-2012 05:42 PM

So, he is capable of a Nyquist Explosion. Must be good.

Jaykay 10-28-2012 05:48 PM

That's a double Nyquist explosion, actually.

herbst20 10-28-2012 05:50 PM

Taylor's skills are unmatched in the USHL IMO, but the size issue is too much to overlook. Great USHL player but I dont think he will have nearly the same success at UM.

Aaron Vickers 10-28-2012 05:51 PM

Had a chat with him just recently about his expectations for the draft and where he expects to go. He gave the right answer:

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Itís been my dream my whole life to get drafted but whatever happens hockey will still be there the next day. There are first round picks playing in the NHL, there are 7th round picks playing in the NHL and there are undrafted players in the NHL. Iím just going to focus on having a great year and hopefully getting back to the finals again, and just let everything else fall in place.
http://futureconsiderations.ca/small...ts-big-resume/

He played at Shattuck with Nathan MacKinnon too. The two still stay in touch.

Victorious Secret 10-28-2012 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaykay (Post 55354209)
That's a double Nyquist explosion, actually.

I stand corrected. Hes double Nyquist.

Jaykay 10-28-2012 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by herbst20 (Post 55354239)
Great USHL player but I dont think he will have nearly the same success at UM.

I think he'll be a really good college player, pro could be a different story however.

IHaveNoCreativity 10-28-2012 07:41 PM

Keep in mind he has time to grow.

IkeaMonkey* 10-29-2012 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by herbst20 (Post 55354239)
Taylor's skills are unmatched in the USHL IMO, but the size issue is too much to overlook. Great USHL player but I dont think he will have nearly the same success at UM.

I usually think you are pretty spot on with your opinions in a non-bias way in terms of the USHL(which is especially rare among posters here), but to me, Cam is gonna be great in college. Realistically, the college game is a lot slower and controlled than the USHL, which plays in his favor. The pros on the other hand, are an entirely different animal.

herbst20 10-29-2012 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DynamoAO (Post 55368981)
I usually think you are pretty spot on with your opinions in a non-bias way in terms of the USHL(which is especially rare among posters here), but to me, Cam is gonna be great in college. Realistically, the college game is a lot slower and controlled than the USHL, which plays in his favor. The pros on the other hand, are an entirely different animal.

We shall see and each has their own opinions. I have seen Taylor play over a dozen times in the USHL whether it be Preseason or Regular season. I dont see the willingness to go to the corners to battle for pucks or get to the dirty areas for pucks. The times I saw Grimaldi or Johnny Gaudreau (two guys of similar size), I saw them grind for pucks, go to the corners, and not back down from Defenseman. I just dont see this level of compete from Cammarata...yet. Thus my judgement

There is no doubt in open ice and when he can have teammates find him in the slot he is extremely talented and effective for Waterloo, but I think alot of this will be taken away from him in the WCHA/Big Ten.

Also yes I pride myself in not making bias posts and evaluating talent the way I see it!

IkeaMonkey* 10-29-2012 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by herbst20 (Post 55369379)
We shall see and each has their own opinions. I have seen Taylor play over a dozen times in the USHL whether it be Preseason or Regular season. I dont see the willingness to go to the corners to battle for pucks or get to the dirty areas for pucks. The times I saw Grimaldi or Johnny Gaudreau (two guys of similar size), I saw them grind for pucks, go to the corners, and not back down from Defenseman. I just dont see this level of compete from Cammarata...yet. Thus my judgement

There is no doubt in open ice and when he can have teammates find him in the slot he is extremely talented and effective for Waterloo, but I think alot of this will be taken away from him in the WCHA/Big Ten.

Also yes I pride myself in not making bias posts and evaluating talent the way I see it!

I know you've seen him a bunch and being a former scout of the USHL, I've seen him quite a bit as well :).

He doesn't have to go into corners for pucks because largely, that's not a team Waterloo is. None of their forwards work the boards or run a dump cycle.

Every instance I've seen from him, he doesn't "back down" from defenseman because the defensemen are never really on him. He's that elusive. Granted, I've only seen him play against five or six teams, but each had the same issue with him.

In college, you can't play the dirtier style you can in the USHL. The game is far more controlled. That's largely what Cam does, is control the game.

Grimaldi and Gaudreau brought different types of skill sets than Cam does. I think the other two will translate better perhaps in the pros than Cam will, though I certainly think Cam has the potential to be in their league, if not better if he can add their skills to his resume.

herbst20 10-29-2012 10:21 AM

Fair enough and as always I respect your opinions. I will keep a watchful eye on what you pointed out. I know I will see him at least 4 times this year and possibly 4 more if I desire to venture the 50 minutes north to Young Arena!

I hope he succeeds as he is a very polite and well mannered kid. Having him and Kloos on the same line is scary. Bar none Waterloo has the most skilled set of forwards I have seen in a long long time in the USHL.

MN_Gopher 10-29-2012 11:04 AM

There is alot going against Cammarata.

He is a top 6 or bust player. Taking away the center position that leaves four wing spots on any team for him. He is not going to be a bottom 6 player not his style.

The USHL is not a weak league. But it is 2 levels away from the NHL. With the NCAA/ Junior, AHL in some cases and then NHL. Everyone just wants too see what he can do when the competition goes up.

There is no mystery in his game. Either you think he can at the next level or you doubt how his abilities will translate. He should lead the league in scoring not sure what the record for USHL is but he could be close to 2 points per which is huge. Still the USHL.

He is not amazing at one aspect. Not super fast, no rocket shot, etc... he gets results, but being smart and in the right place at the right time can only get you so far, right? He is super shifty but big hulking d men have a way of learning how to skate from 17 to 23.

His game is going under a super microscope. It will all focus on what he can't do well. leaving people with doubts. We all know he score in bunches.

1st round talent, goes late 2nd IMO.

IHaveNoCreativity 10-29-2012 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MN_Gopher (Post 55370691)
There is alot going against Cammarata.

He is a top 6 or bust player. Taking away the center position that leaves four wing spots on any team for him. He is not going to be a bottom 6 player not his style.

The USHL is not a weak league. But it is 2 levels away from the NHL. With the NCAA/ Junior, AHL in some cases and then NHL. Everyone just wants too see what he can do when the competition goes up.

There is no mystery in his game. Either you think he can at the next level or you doubt how his abilities will translate. He should lead the league in scoring not sure what the record for USHL is but he could be close to 2 points per which is huge. Still the USHL.

He is not amazing at one aspect. Not super fast, no rocket shot, etc... he gets results, but being smart and in the right place at the right time can only get you so far, right? He is super shifty but big hulking d men have a way of learning how to skate from 17 to 23.

His game is going under a super microscope. It will all focus on what he can't do well. leaving people with doubts. We all know he score in bunches.

1st round talent, goes late 2nd IMO.

He's dominating JR.A, so it's hard to tell where his games at...

IMO he's a project, he needs to get alot stronger, because of his size.

UvBnDatsyuked 10-29-2012 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MN_Gopher (Post 55370691)
He is not amazing at one aspect. Not super fast, no rocket shot, etc... he gets results, but being smart and in the right place at the right time can only get you so far, right?

I, for one, feel "gets results" "being smart" "right place at the right" all amount for ton.

Xokkeu 10-29-2012 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by UvBnDatsyuked (Post 55373235)
I, for one, feel "gets results" "being smart" "right place at the right" all amount for ton.

I'd it's probably the most important, at least assuming you have a base level of skill and don't skate and stick handle like me.

AmericanDream 10-30-2012 02:54 PM

kid is a beast who is tearing up the USHL right now.

I am rooting bigtime for this young man as he has the skill to be a top 10 pick hands down....I am very excited to see where he gets drafted in June if he keeps this up

Breakfast of Champs 10-30-2012 04:42 PM

Having never seen Cammarata play, I have to wonder when he will hit the wall offensively, or if he ever will. He ripped up at Shattuck, outscoring MacKinnon both years they played together. He was drafted 1st overall in the USHL, was rookie of the year, and is now leading the USHL in scoring

For those who have seen him play, does he remind you of a player who is dominant offensively in Jr. and won't translate? Or is he another guy being written off only due to his size like St. Louis or Desharnais?

UvBnDatsyuked 11-01-2012 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Breakfast of Champs (Post 55403963)
Having never seen Cammarata play, I have to wonder when he will hit the wall offensively, or if he ever will. He ripped up at Shattuck, outscoring MacKinnon both years they played together. He was drafted 1st overall in the USHL, was rookie of the year, and is now leading the USHL in scoring

For those who have seen him play, does he remind you of a player who is dominant offensively in Jr. and won't translate? Or is he another guy being written off only due to his size like St. Louis or Desharnais?

He utilizes his teammates well and will produce even better with better players along the way.
His vision and the way he thinks the game will serve him well. No one knows if NHL is in his future but he has the mental ability that many teams covet.

keppel146 11-01-2012 09:33 AM

2 G and 4 A night. he is now tied for 1st in scoring in the USHL with 17 pts in 9 games played


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