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Jesus Vitale 09-24-2012 06:10 PM

Why are player names in Latin letters?
 
i just realized this when watching highlights of games this season. They're usually in Cyrillic, right? does it have anything to do with the NHL lockout? or is it because the KHL is in Latvia, Slovakia and Czech Republic now, so they just started using Latin letters to make it easier for everyone?

vorky 09-24-2012 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CaseyPierroZabotel17 (Post 54561649)
i just realized this when watching highlights of games this season. They're usually in Cyrillic, right? does it have anything to do with the NHL lockout? or is it because the KHL is in Latvia, Slovakia and Czech Republic now, so they just started using Latin letters to make it easier for everyone?

KHL adopted Latin before season 2010/11 or 11/12, dont remember correctly. It has NOTHING to do with lockout. I would agree with bold part + broadcasting to non-russian speaking countries as another reason.

Dustin Peener 09-24-2012 06:38 PM

I think it's due to expansion into Europe and to make it more tv-friendly for the non-Russian audience

ModryJazyk 09-24-2012 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 99 Problems (Post 54562271)
I think it's due to expansion into Europe and to make it more tv-friendly for the non-Russian audience

I agree.But it's not only about TV, KHL is multinational league now, it would be unacceptable for non Rusia teams and fans to use cyrillic.

Den 09-25-2012 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ModryJazyk (Post 54570891)
it would be unacceptable for non Rusia teams and fans to use cyrillic.

Quite acceptable for Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan, Cyrillic being the official alphabet there :)

alko 09-25-2012 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Den (Post 54572383)
Quite acceptable for Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan, Cyrillic being the official alphabet there :)

Thats correct. But this league will be the next All-Europe league. Not closed only for Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan.

Atas2000 09-25-2012 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by alko (Post 54572645)
Thats correct. But this league will be the next All-Europe league. Not closed only for Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan.

I can't really get into it. So all ppl from countries with cyrillic alphabet have to accept 'foreign' latin letters to suit fans of three teams. International or not, why should it be latin? In my opinion it should be cyrillic for all teams from countries with cyrillic alphabet and latin for Riga, Prague and Bratislava(with respective special letters. czech names for example look awkward when spelled like 'Voracek' or 'Klepis').

Theokritos 09-25-2012 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Atas2000 (Post 54572781)
I can't really get into it. So all ppl from countries with cyrillic alphabet have to accept 'foreign' latin letters to suit fans of three teams. International or not, why should it be latin? In my opinion it should be cyrillic for all teams from countries with cyrillic alphabet and latin for Riga, Prague and Bratislava(with respective special letters. czech names for example look awkward when spelled like 'Voracek' or 'Klepis').

I agree, but the KHL's approach shows what the priority is right now: creating a European market. See Medvedev's expansion concept.

Side Stache 09-25-2012 05:39 AM

Part of PR. Latvian team, in first season, already played with Latin letters home games. Starting with second season all teams used it. IIRC.

Acallabeth 09-25-2012 06:24 AM

For the Latin readers to be able to feel the might of Khokhlachyov, Krasnoslobodtsev and Mukhachyov.

Dado 09-25-2012 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Atas2000 (Post 54572781)
International or not, why should it be latin?

Latin is as close as there is to a universal alphabet, thanks to English being the top choice for the world's second language.

Just the way it is...

ModryJazyk 09-25-2012 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by alko (Post 54572645)
Thats correct. But this league will be the next All-Europe league. Not closed only for Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan.

I agree.I think Medvedev and all these russians chiefs in KHL are doing good job, it's only question of time, when some finland and sweden teams join KHL.
As for topic question, I'm sure that Slovan Bratislava or Lev Prague would not have join KHL as russian league with cyrillic .Fortunately, KHL is more and more euro-russian league.
Well, Kontinental league, that's right.

Atas2000 09-25-2012 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dado (Post 54573473)
Latin is as close as there is to a universal alphabet, thanks to English being the top choice for the world's second language.

Just the way it is...

THAT is an attitude I can't stand. It's the 'universal alphabet' for Europeans and nations of european descent, not for the whole world. I find it disrespectful to me as a russian fan to have to read my team's player's names written with latin letters, at least in a home game.

BalticWarrior 09-25-2012 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Atas2000 (Post 54578909)
THAT is an attitude I can't stand. It's the 'universal alphabet' for Europeans and nations of european descent, not for the whole world. I find it disrespectful to me as a russian fan to have to read my team's player's names written with latin letters, at least in a home game.

Oh boo hoo ,cry me a river

zorz 09-25-2012 01:36 PM

chinese is the most spoken language in the world, maybe they should switch to their characters to get bigger audience :sarcasm:

BalticWarrior 09-25-2012 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by zorz (Post 54579921)
chinese is the most spoken language in the world, maybe they should switch to their characters to get bigger audience :sarcasm:

Obviously :D

jekoh 09-25-2012 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ModryJazyk (Post 54570891)
I agree.But it's not only about TV, KHL is multinational league now, it would be unacceptable for non Rusia teams and fans to use cyrillic.

Why would they have to? You could have names in cyrillics for Russian teams and in latin alphabet for cze/svk/lat teams.

Come to think of it: it's not uncommon for sports teams in Greece to use different alphabets for player names on the same team.


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Originally Posted by Atas2000 (Post 54572781)
In my opinion it should be cyrillic for all teams from countries with cyrillic alphabet and latin for Riga, Prague and Bratislava(with respective special letters. czech names for example look awkward when spelled like 'Voracek' or 'Klepis').

Agreed. But the Czech federation themselves have no respect for their own language it seems :
http://img.ihned.cz/attachment.php/7...okej_repre.jpg

Dustin Peener 09-25-2012 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Atas2000 (Post 54578909)
THAT is an attitude I can't stand. It's the 'universal alphabet' for Europeans and nations of european descent, not for the whole world. I find it disrespectful to me as a russian fan to have to read my team's player's names written with latin letters, at least in a home game.

Most Russians can read Latin letters, most non-Russians cannot read Cyrillic.

So there you go, Latin it is. That wasn't a difficult choice was it?

jaco 09-25-2012 04:09 PM

I'm surprised that an obvious decision can cause so much fuss... It's a question of business, not of respect, which should be taken for granted.

zorz 09-25-2012 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jekoh (Post 54581263)
Why would they have to? You could have names in cyrillics for Russian teams and in latin alphabet for cze/svk/lat teams.

Come to think of it: it's not uncommon for sports teams in Greece to use different alphabets for player names on the same team.



Agreed. But the Czech federation themselves have no respect for their own language it seems :
http://img.ihned.cz/attachment.php/7...okej_repre.jpg

this is not about czech federation, it's IIHF which has a policy to have one unified way of writing of all team's names.

Den 09-25-2012 04:31 PM

Give it a break, Latin alphabet is perfectly fine...

Den 09-25-2012 04:34 PM

:) Krasno...ublbubuprkumsret..sev

jekoh 09-25-2012 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by zorz (Post 54583279)
this is not about czech federation, it's IIHF which has a policy to have one unified way of writing of all team's names.

Probably not true (see http://www.foyerlaiquelanester.fr/wp...1396_10_HD.jpg), but even if it is, it's still the federation's fault for not insisting on using the proper spelling.

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Originally Posted by Den (Post 54583681)
Give it a break, Latin alphabet is perfectly fine...

Well, I know which jerseys I'm not buying.

Sokil 09-25-2012 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Atas2000 (Post 54572781)
I can't really get into it. So all ppl from countries with cyrillic alphabet have to accept 'foreign' latin letters to suit fans of three teams. International or not, why should it be latin? In my opinion it should be cyrillic for all teams from countries with cyrillic alphabet and latin for Riga, Prague and Bratislava(with respective special letters. czech names for example look awkward when spelled like 'Voracek' or 'Klepis').

don't be silly, watch the olympics and tell me what alphabet is used

it wouldn't make sense to use cyrillic if the league wants to keep expanding westward, and it would make even less sense to have 2 systems or 2 sets of jerseys. use your noggin.

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Originally Posted by Atas2000 (Post 54578909)
THAT is an attitude I can't stand. It's the 'universal alphabet' for Europeans and nations of european descent, not for the whole world. I find it disrespectful to me as a russian fan to have to read my team's player's names written with latin letters, at least in a home game.

It's universal to North America, South America, and Europe. Face facts, cyrillic is vastly outnumbered here if the point is accessibility. Can the alphabet pride.

Dustin Peener 09-25-2012 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sokil (Post 54584779)
don't be silly, watch the olympics and tell me what alphabet is used

it wouldn't make sense to use cyrillic if the league wants to keep expanding westward, and it would make even less sense to have 2 systems or 2 sets of jerseys. use your noggin.



It's universal to North America, South America, and Europe. Face facts, cyrillic is vastly outnumbered here if the point is accessibility. Can the alphabet pride.

Exactly, the team Russia Olympic tracksuits even have "Russia" written on them in Latin letters.

Plus as I already said, I know for a fact nearly all people in Russia and the other Cyrillic writing countries know how to read Latin while few from outside these countries can read Cyrillic. So it makes much more sense to have it in Latin, because it suits everyone.

Though to play devils advocate, I learned how to read Cyrillic in a couple of hours, it isn't that hard


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