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Flames rebuilder 09-29-2012 11:27 PM

Cal-col
 
Calgary:
Paul stastny
Duncan Siemens

Colorado:
Jay Bouwmeester
Mikael Backlund

Ebs and Flow 09-29-2012 11:34 PM

Just............wow.

Terribad.

BrickAHL 09-29-2012 11:36 PM

We've been through this before and Stastny for J-Bo is already a big no and adding Siemens and Backlund makes it worse.

Avs44 09-29-2012 11:57 PM

Yeah...no...would not do Stastny for JBO straight up at all, and you want us to add Siemens?? Lol. Try again.

DJN21 09-30-2012 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avs44 (Post 54667131)
Yeah...no...would not do Stastny for JBO straight up at all, and you want us to add Siemens?? Lol. Try again.

everything above

Yzlamic Preacher 09-30-2012 12:03 AM

Well he us the flames re builder, op's name mentions nothing about fairness or helping the other team. So this seems right in the alley for the flames.

Cullen Bohannon 09-30-2012 01:26 AM

This is the Stastny for Bozak trade, Flames version.

PAZ 09-30-2012 02:40 AM

Honestly, trades should have to be reviewed before actually making this section.

Terrible.

Double Dion 09-30-2012 04:35 AM

I don't want Stastny. But then again I don't want Bouwmeester even more. So I think we'd win this one.

Ceremony 09-30-2012 05:50 AM

No thank you.

Analyzer* 09-30-2012 08:10 AM

Does this even work in NHL 13 ?

Pierce Hawthorne 09-30-2012 08:15 AM

No thanks from the Avs.

Johnny Hoxville 09-30-2012 09:34 AM

Take out Siemens and the value is probably fair. However, the Avs still probably don't do it.

SaintMorose 09-30-2012 10:23 AM

Before the trade for EJ
Bouwmeester + Backlund for Statsny may have helped both teams...

But now there's no way the Avs do that
then you factor in Siemens who is a great prospect...
then you factor in Backlund coming off a poor season with a hand injury...

and this just becomes terrible

GamingGiant 09-30-2012 10:34 AM

Universal "no" from all Avs fans.

cgf 09-30-2012 11:41 AM

Not that I would be opposed to bringing JayBo in to play with EJ, but not at the price of Staz and certainly not at the price of Staz and Siemens. Flames would have to add significantly to this proposal to make it worthwhile for the Avs.

MikeC 09-30-2012 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flames rebuilder (Post 54666715)
Calgary:
Paul stastny
Duncan Siemens

Colorado:
Jay Bouwmeester
Mikael Backlund

If we were in Afghanistan, you would go directly to jail for making a proposal like that one

cgf 09-30-2012 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeC (Post 54671793)
If we were in Afghanistan, you would go directly to jail for making a proposal like that one

Just makes me think of:

Flames rebuilder 09-30-2012 12:19 PM

It's basically a 1b for 1b trade, I don't see either player being a true #1 guy. I personally see Backlund having 50 point potential, which is all Stastny has put up the last two seasons. Siemens could be great but more likely a big, physical, 3/4 kinda player. Sounds pretty even to me but it sounds like Colorado fans over valve Stastny almost as much as some Flames fans do with Bouwmeester.

Prajna 09-30-2012 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flames rebuilder (Post 54672349)
It's basically a 1b for 1b trade, I don't see either player being a true #1 guy. I personally see Backlund having 50 point potential, which is all Stastny has put up the last two seasons. Siemens could be great but more likely a big, physical, 3/4 kinda player. Sounds pretty even to me but it sounds like Colorado fans over valve Stastny almost as much as some Flames fans do with Bouwmeester.


What has Backlund done to show 50pt potential? He didn't even score at a 50pt pace in the AHL. He is now 23 and not scored more than 25pts in the NHL.
Stastny scored 53 and 57 in the last two seasons, not 50. There is a difference.
Stastny is a PROVEN 50+ point player who can score 70+ points.
Until Backlund proves something, his value is not close to Stastny.

Muffin 09-30-2012 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flames rebuilder (Post 54672349)
It's basically a 1b for 1b trade, I don't see either player being a true #1 guy. I personally see Backlund having 50 point potential, which is all Stastny has put up the last two seasons. Siemens could be great but more likely a big, physical, 3/4 kinda player. Sounds pretty even to me but it sounds like Colorado fans over valve Stastny almost as much as some Flames fans do with Bouwmeester.

If you take out Siemens then the trade might be decent in NHL 13, including Siemens and not even the dumb NHL 13 AI would accept this trade :laugh:

Flames rebuilder 09-30-2012 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prajna (Post 54672771)
What has Backlund done to show 50pt potential? He didn't even score at a 50pt pace in the AHL. He is now 23 and not scored more than 25pts in the NHL.
Stastny scored 53 and 57 in the last two seasons, not 50. There is a difference.
Stastny is a PROVEN 50+ point player who can score 70+ points.
Until Backlund proves something, his value is not close to Stastny.

Completely agree! The point is Backlund has more value than Siemens, making up for the difference between Stastny and Bouwmeester. JayBo and Backlund would be over payment for Stastny.

BrickAHL 09-30-2012 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flames rebuilder (Post 54675951)
Completely agree! The point is Backlund has more value than Siemens, making up for the difference between Stastny and Bouwmeester. JayBo and Backlund would be over payment for Stastny.

But Backlund doesn't have more value than Siemens.

Ceremony 09-30-2012 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flames rebuilder (Post 54672349)
It's basically a 1b for 1b trade, I don't see either player being a true #1 guy. I personally see Backlund having 50 point potential, which is all Stastny has put up the last two seasons. Siemens could be great but more likely a big, physical, 3/4 kinda player. Sounds pretty even to me but it sounds like Colorado fans over valve Stastny almost as much as some Flames fans do with Bouwmeester.

Stastny also scored 78 points as a rookie.

Also, the Avs have no need to trade Stastny unless there's a definite improvement coming the other way, so there's no logic in saying he's over-valued by Avs fans. (and why do you want him if you're saying his and Backlund's point scoring is essentially the same?)

Flames rebuilder 09-30-2012 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ceremony (Post 54676077)
Stastny also scored 78 points as a rookie.

Also, the Avs have no need to trade Stastny unless there's a definite improvement coming the other way, so there's no logic in saying he's over-valued by Avs fans. (and why do you want him if you're saying his and Backlund's point scoring is essentially the same?)

Not saying that Stastny's a bad player or that Backlunds totals are even close. IMO Backlund still has the potential to be a sound defensive, 50 point scorer. Avs do improve defensively, picking up a top pairing d-man and a solid, young third line center, with an upside. Flames get a young guy that can play first line center and and very good defensive prospect. We're not talking Crosby for Weber here, I see Stastny and Bouwmeester having similar value, Stastny having a bit more.


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