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Aaron Vickers 10-02-2012 01:13 PM

Best Finnish Draft Crop?
 
Could 2013 be the best crop of draftees Finland has ever produced? Ville Meuronen, our Finnish scout, thinks it could be!

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The hockey season in Finland is in its infancy, but draft eligibles are creating lots of buzz from both draft fanatics and hockey media alike.

And most aren’t hesitating to call the 2012-13 Finnish season the most interesting draft year in recent memory. The duo of Aleksander Barkov and Artturi Lehkonen are leading that charge.
http://futureconsiderations.ca/finns...-draft-season/

So, shameless self promotion aside, how do you see this year's crop stacking up to ones of years past? Is there a particular year you're especially fond of?

FiLe 10-02-2012 02:41 PM

If we are to look solely at the draft itself and not the players' careers in retrospect, I'd say 2002 is hard to top. Five first round picks, two in top five. However, only a small handful of the 25 Finns picked that year ended up making a substantial career in the NHL.

If we are to look at high as possible success ratio, I'd say it was 1993. Only eight Finns picked, but out of those five managed to make at least some ripples in the league.


So, will this be the best draft event ever for Finland? Doubt it. But if we are to look at the amount of possible success stories... I guess time will tell.

Tormentor 10-02-2012 03:13 PM

Barkov, Ristolainen and Lehkonen are doing phenomenally well for their age, but otherwise this draft class has so far been a bit more about disappointments for me personally. Hopefully some of the lesser prospects improve as the season goes on.

thomast 10-02-2012 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tormentor (Post 54722241)
Barkov, Ristolainen and Lehkonen are doing phenomenally well for their age, but otherwise this draft class has so far been a bit more about disappointments for me personally. Hopefully some of the lesser prospects improve as the season goes on.

Ikonen?

FiLe 10-02-2012 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by thomast (Post 54732845)
Ikonen?

Needs to show double the effort than most, thanks to his size. A 5' 7" small fry never goes among the first.

HockeyNator 10-03-2012 02:59 AM

Prospect development is much better nowadays than ten years ago, especially in Finland. What makes this year such interesting for me is that these prospects get everything out of their talent level despite being physically underdeveloped. Barkov, Ristolainen, Lehkonen, Ikonen.. these guys couldn't do much more than they are right now. Dunno if this draft class is going to be the best ever for Finland but it's not relevant at the moment. Youngsters in SM-liiga are doing really well and they give us a reason to be very excited as well as lesser known talents in Junior A.

Cheers,
Ville

thomast 10-03-2012 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by FiLe (Post 54733065)
Needs to show double the effort than most, thanks to his size. A 5' 7" small fry never goes among the first.

Yeah but he have been phenomenal in FEL aswell and played well. He haven't been disappointment. He is 5'8-5'9 if im correct 175cm.

YARR123 10-03-2012 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by thomast (Post 54735249)
Yeah but he have been phenomenal in FEL aswell and played well. He haven't been disappointment. He is 5'8-5'9 if im correct 175cm.

I've also seen him listed as 175cm, but I'm not sure how much of that is true. I saw him next to Miro Aaltonen, who is listed as 178cm, and Ikonen looked a lot more than 3cm shorter. It's possible that Aaltonen has grown up to like 181 or so and Ikonen was sloutching, who knows :laugh:

But yeah, Ikonen has played so well that right now he should be a top-60 pick, despite his height.

MiGician 10-03-2012 08:51 AM

After our big 5 (Barkov, Ristolainen, Lehkonen, Ikonen, Husso) the quality of our prospect group drops too much to consider this to be the best group Finland has ever produced.

But if Barkov will become a quality 1st line center, Ristolainen #1-2 defenseman, Lehkonen and Ikonen will be great top6 forwards and Husso will be an elite goalie then I would say this would be an amazing year. Sadly not every prospect will pan out

FiLe 10-03-2012 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by HockeyNator (Post 54734923)
Prospect development is much better nowadays than ten years ago, especially in Finland.

To be exact, the prospect development has been in a slouch during the last ten years. Ten years ago it was pretty good actually. As stated, 2001, 2002 with the crops from '83 and '84 were good years for us. M.Koivu, T.Ruutu, Filppula, J.Jokinen, Pitkänen, Lehtonen... and more.

But from there, we had a long slouch for the next seven or eight years. 91-borns were the next class that really showed promise since '84. Somebody royally screwed up with the methods of development for those classes born in the late 80s.

HockeyNator 10-03-2012 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by FiLe (Post 54736723)
To be exact, the prospect development has been in a slouch during the last ten years. Ten years ago it was pretty good actually. As stated, 2001, 2002 with the crops from '83 and '84 were good years for us. M.Koivu, T.Ruutu, Filppula, J.Jokinen, Pitkänen, Lehtonen... and more.

But from there, we had a long slouch for the next seven or eight years. 91-borns were the next class that really showed promise since '84. Somebody royally screwed up with the methods of development for those classes born in the late 80s.

Yea, that's correct. I expressed myself wrong, in this case I meant how pro organizations handle their prospects.

Tormentor 10-03-2012 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by thomast (Post 54732845)
Ikonen?

J.Ikonen is doing very well for a player his age as well, but the other three have so far played in slightly bigger roles and perhaps also shown a bit more progress in comparison to last season.

QnebO 10-04-2012 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by FiLe (Post 54736723)
To be exact, the prospect development has been in a slouch during the last ten years. Ten years ago it was pretty good actually. As stated, 2001, 2002 with the crops from '83 and '84 were good years for us. M.Koivu, T.Ruutu, Filppula, J.Jokinen, Pitkänen, Lehtonen... and more.

But from there, we had a long slouch for the next seven or eight years. 91-borns were the next class that really showed promise since '84. Somebody royally screwed up with the methods of development for those classes born in the late 80s.

Thats why I wasnt drafted!

Reasons 1-700
1 They banned slap shots and hits from junior games untill they were too old
2 They kepth teaching how important its to play "the system", they basicly teached grinding for everyone and teached everyone only avoid risks not do do anything fancy
3 They did not respect individual skill
4 It was "kaikki pelaa" mentality
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..
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679D I didint have granlund like talent

Ihmeilja 10-05-2012 02:01 AM

Many have listed Juuso Ikonen as a late rounder, but the guy is scoring pretty well in Sm-liiga. By his play, he should be a first round pick, but size might be an issue. I watched a few photos, and Aaltonen, who is 179cm(5'11), looks like a 5-10cm taller than Ikonen and according to Finnish national team Ikonen´s height was 173cm in august 2012.
But I think Ikonen could be a second rounder despite his size.

Jonatan Tanus is another small forward with a lot of potential. Tanus is listed as 175cm by national team.
Has anyone any info on Tanus? I think his decision to go to OHL was a little bit strange.


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