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Leafs87 10-04-2012 07:42 PM

Tyler Biggs's discussion thread.
 
Pretty interesting article about Biggs and his development.

Once he refines his skills, hell be a prototypical power forward, says D.J. Smith, head coach of the Generals. Hes hard to knock off the puck. Down low he grinds it out. He just has to have a little bit better touch around the net and hell really start to score, I think . . . Im sure hed love to have more points at this point. But hes coming along nicely, and itll go in for him soon enough.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/...ls-home-opener


BTW, 6'3, 224 at 19 according to Hockeydb :O

Liminality 10-04-2012 07:54 PM

That's why I was excited to see Biggs transfer to the OHL so he can possibly find his scoring touch and improve offensively. I think he'll improve offensively but it's just a matter of how much and can it get to the point of being consistent in the future.

Leafs87 10-04-2012 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Liminality (Post 54771213)
That's why I was excited to see Biggs transfer to the OHL so he can possibly find his scoring touch and improve offensively. I think he'll improve offensively but it's just a matter of how much and can it get to the point of being consistent in the future.

Yeah I also think most power forwards develop better in the CHL. Its a game much more suited for them, but I think AHL would have been ideal. He is much big and should absolutely dominate, at least physically, the AHL has players closer to his physical maturity, and the talent is higher which can help him develop his game.

Liminality 10-04-2012 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Leafs87 (Post 54771313)
Yeah I also think most power forwards develop better in the CHL. Its a game much more suited for them, but I think AHL would have been ideal. He is much big and should absolutely dominate, at least physically, the AHL has players closer to his physical maturity, and the talent is higher which can help him develop his game.

AHL would have been nice but is he even allowed to play in the AHL at his age?

I'm sure Biggs will make the jump to the AHL and continue his long road to the NHL, hopefully sooner rather than later. He is just that type of player you want on your team.

Leafs87 10-04-2012 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Liminality (Post 54771453)
AHL would have been nice but is he even allowed to play in the AHL at his age?

I'm sure Biggs will make the jump to the AHL and continue his long road to the NHL, hopefully sooner rather than later. He is just that type of player you want on your team.

Technically no because he doesn't turn 20 until next year, but I heard somewhere he was eligible somehow, Im guessing something similar to Girgensons ?

Drew311 10-04-2012 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Leafs87 (Post 54770923)
Pretty interesting article about Biggs and his development.

Once he refines his skills, hell be a prototypical power forward, says D.J. Smith, head coach of the Generals. Hes hard to knock off the puck. Down low he grinds it out. He just has to have a little bit better touch around the net and hell really start to score, I think . . . Im sure hed love to have more points at this point. But hes coming along nicely, and itll go in for him soon enough.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/...ls-home-opener


BTW, 6'3, 224 at 19 according to Hockeydb :O

Does he not have 4 goals in 5 games?

crump 10-04-2012 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew311 (Post 54771693)
Does he not have 4 goals in 5 games?

I thought I had seen that article before....Published on Saturday September 29, 2012, before his recent offensive output.

IBeL13f 10-04-2012 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Leafs87 (Post 54771543)
Technically no because he doesn't turn 20 until next year, but I heard somewhere he was eligible somehow, Im guessing something similar to Girgensons ?

If I'm not mistaken, kids who go the NCAA route can play in the AHL before they're 20

Liminality 10-04-2012 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew311 (Post 54771693)
Does he not have 4 goals in 5 games?

the article was made on september the 29th and it mentioned that he's only had 1 assist in 2 games. He's been on a good and promising roll since then that's for sure, I just hope he continues to build and improve for a full season.

eyeball11 10-04-2012 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Leafs87 (Post 54770923)
Pretty interesting article about Biggs and his development.

Once he refines his skills, hell be a prototypical power forward, says D.J. Smith, head coach of the Generals. Hes hard to knock off the puck. Down low he grinds it out. He just has to have a little bit better touch around the net and hell really start to score, I think . . . Im sure hed love to have more points at this point. But hes coming along nicely, and itll go in for him soon enough.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/...ls-home-opener


BTW, 6'3, 224 at 19 according to Hockeydb :O

Even if he finishes at his low end - 3rd line - there could be a crazy physical bottom two lines:

Biggs 6'3 224
Broll 6'3, 235
Devane 6'5, 220

plus guys like Brad Ross, etc.

rdawg1234 10-04-2012 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by eyeball11 (Post 54772229)
Even if he finishes at his low end - 3rd line - there could be a crazy physical bottom two lines:

Biggs 6'3 224
Broll 6'3, 235
Devane 6'5, 220

plus guys like Brad Ross, etc.

Someones gonna have to get traded.

With Frattin already a solid 3rd liner with some 2nd line ability, Kulemin with at LEAST 3rd line skill etc. it's gonna be hard to cram anymore people into the 3rd line.

Devane deserves 4th line, broll maybe, Biggs could either be a 2nd or 3rd liner. Doubtful all 3+Ross will make the team though.

eyeball11 10-04-2012 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rdawg1234 (Post 54772447)
Someones gonna have to get traded.

With Frattin already a solid 3rd liner with some 2nd line ability, Kulemin with at LEAST 3rd line skill etc. it's gonna be hard to cram anymore people into the 3rd line.

Devane deserves 4th line, broll maybe, Biggs could either be a 2nd or 3rd liner. Doubtful all 3+Ross will make the team though.

...and guys like D'Amigo who will likely make it.

Liminality 10-04-2012 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rdawg1234 (Post 54772447)
Someones gonna have to get traded.

With Frattin already a solid 3rd liner with some 2nd line ability, Kulemin with at LEAST 3rd line skill etc. it's gonna be hard to cram anymore people into the 3rd line.

Devane deserves 4th line, broll maybe, Biggs could either be a 2nd or 3rd liner. Doubtful all 3+Ross will make the team though.

I think in the end it'll all be about what type of player the Leafs need on the bottom lines either toughness or defensive specialists. I wouldn't bet against D'Amigo making it on the 3rd or 4th line either.

Brown and Rosehill are also only 27 with tons of hockey left be it with the AHL or NHL.

Leafs87 10-04-2012 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rdawg1234 (Post 54772447)
Someones gonna have to get traded.

With Frattin already a solid 3rd liner with some 2nd line ability, Kulemin with at LEAST 3rd line skill etc. it's gonna be hard to cram anymore people into the 3rd line.

Devane deserves 4th line, broll maybe, Biggs could either be a 2nd or 3rd liner. Doubtful all 3+Ross will make the team though.

Hoping everyone gets a chance to play before we make a decision on who's traded.

ULF_55 10-04-2012 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by IBeL13f (Post 54771803)
If I'm not mistaken, kids who go the NCAA route can play in the AHL before they're 20

Players drafted out of the CHL have the age 20 rule. It is part of the agreement between NHL and CHL.

charliolemieux 10-04-2012 10:23 PM

Isn't this nice?

Trying to find room for all the youth coming up. When was the last time Leafs fans were in this position?

IBeL13f 10-04-2012 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ULF_55 (Post 54774481)
Players drafted out of the CHL have the age 20 rule. It is part of the agreement between NHL and CHL.

Thanks for the clarification. It's funny, just the other day I was talking about this exact rule with my girlfriend. Now I know. And knowing is half the battle.

ULF_55 10-04-2012 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Liminality (Post 54772959)
I think in the end it'll all be about what type of player the Leafs need on the bottom lines either toughness or defensive specialists. I wouldn't bet against D'Amigo making it on the 3rd or 4th line either.

Brown and Rosehill are also only 27 with tons of hockey left be it with the AHL or NHL.

IMO, one dimensional players are more likely to be feast or famine types.


D'Amigo has a great chance to make it, he's proven at various levels he can produce (NCAA, U18, U20), and he's proven defensively capable in the AHL.

Biggs likely has a great chance of making it and if his offense is for real, they'll be thrilled with him.

ULF_55 10-04-2012 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by IBeL13f (Post 54774537)
Thanks for the clarification. It's funny, just the other day I was talking about this exact rule with my girlfriend. Now I know. And knowing is half the battle.

Here is a decent write-up. I wouldn't take everything written as gospel, but close enough:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=46037

pooleboy 10-05-2012 12:47 AM

with guys like tyler biggs, nazem kadri, joe colborne, finn, percy, rielly we have some solid depth. Wish we had more high end forwards that were still in junior but we do have some nice D.

natephil 10-05-2012 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Liminality (Post 54772959)
I think in the end it'll all be about what type of player the Leafs need on the bottom lines either toughness or defensive specialists. I wouldn't bet against D'Amigo making it on the 3rd or 4th line either.

Brown and Rosehill are also only 27 with tons of hockey left be it with the AHL or NHL.

Don't mean to knit pick but I believe Rosehill just signed with a different AHL affiliate. Could be wrong so take it how you want ha. Sorry in advance if I, for some reason just am assuming this.

Man Bear Pig 10-05-2012 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Liminality (Post 54771453)
AHL would have been nice but is he even allowed to play in the AHL at his age?

I'm sure Biggs will make the jump to the AHL and continue his long road to the NHL, hopefully sooner rather than later. He is just that type of player you want on your team.

A guy his age should be playing with guys his age. We all know power forward types(big guys) take much longer to develop. The OHL was the right choice IMO.

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Originally Posted by charliolemieux (Post 54774485)
Isn't this nice?

Trying to find room for all the youth coming up. When was the last time Leafs fans were in this position?

Well to be fair, I bet if you went back 3 or 4 years ago you'd find plenty of Leafs fans excited about guys who ended up being nothing. Just like how we're excited about the new toys who will fall off the map a few years down the road. It will never end, the system isn't as good as we think and it's not as bad as some think. It's somewhere in the middle, like always.

Borjes Baumingdyk 10-05-2012 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by natephil (Post 54777481)
Don't mean to knit pick but I believe Rosehill just signed with a different AHL affiliate. Could be wrong so take it how you want ha. Sorry in advance if I, for some reason just am assuming this.

The Norfolk Admirals.......no seriously.

eyeball11 10-05-2012 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Man Bear Pig (Post 54778167)
A guy his age should be playing with guys his age. We all know power forward types(big guys) take much longer to develop. The OHL was the right choice IMO.


Well to be fair, I bet if you went back 3 or 4 years ago you'd find plenty of Leafs fans excited about guys who ended up being nothing. Just like how we're excited about the new toys who will fall off the map a few years down the road. It will never end, the system isn't as good as we think and it's not as bad as some think. It's somewhere in the middle, like always.

This may be true of the more "flip-flop" types of fans but when I look back a few years ago there were very few who I thought would definitely make the NHL. While they may only end up filling bottom line roles, I'm actually quite confident about a lot of our players at the very least carving out an NHL niche. That's vastly different than a few years. As with mining gold, with luck a few of them are nuggets (but I'll still be happy with flakes).

Liminality 10-05-2012 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by natephil (Post 54777481)
Don't mean to knit pick but I believe Rosehill just signed with a different AHL affiliate. Could be wrong so take it how you want ha. Sorry in advance if I, for some reason just am assuming this.

Ha my bad, saw him on the Leafs roster on their website and had a brain fart I guess.

Anyway in the next year or so I don't think Biggs will have a problem cracking the AHL when his biggest competition will be Ashton and Greg Scott. It'll be interesting to watch the Marlies in the next couple of years.

P.S. I thought Rosehill was a lot younger than 27...kind of surprised he's the same age as Brown.


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