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hexy17 10-18-2012 03:17 AM

Past and Present Players' Gordie Howe Hat Trick Totals
 
I've long been annoyed at how it is nearly impossible to find any information on how many gordie howe hat tricks certain players have had in their careers. So I decided to tirelessly search through old box scores to find exactly that, the totals of players I've always been interested to know. And I thought that other people may like to know these totals too.

Forget what you've read from other sites or publications, this is the most accurate and longest list of players' career GHHT totals you've certainly ever come across.

Note: Both regular season and playoff GHHT's included in totals.


Rick Tocchet - 18

(5-Jan-85, 9-Mar-86, 16-Oct-86, 3-Jan-87, 15-Jan-87, 4-Dec-88, 11-Nov-89, 23-Nov-90, 18-Feb-91, 17-Nov-92, 23-Nov-92, 23-Oct-93, 6-Nov-93, 22-Jan-95, 12-Oct-96, 19-Dec-97, 1-Apr-98, 16-Dec-00)

Brendan Shanahan - 17

(11-Feb-89, 10-Mar-90, 29-Mar-90, 21-Dec-91, 15-Feb-92, 26-Mar-92, 30-Mar-94, 25-Apr-95, 12-Dec-96, 26-Mar-97, 9-Nov-97, 9-Feb-99, 21-Mar-99, 10-Oct-01, 1-Apr-02, 31-Dec-03, 30-Mar-06)

Brian Sutter - 17

(5-Apr-78, 16-Jan-79, 30-Jan-79, 9-Oct-79, 11-Apr-81, 14-Apr-81, 30-Dec-81, 11-Apr-82, 16-Nov-82, 23-Dec-82, 12-Feb-83, 3-Jan-84, 18-Mar-84, 14-Oct-84, 4-Apr-85, 2-Nov-85, 26-Dec-85)

Cam Neely - 12

(24-Feb-84, 30-Dec-84, 12-Oct-85, 18-Oct-85, 10-Jan-87, 2-Jan-88, 9-Jan-88, 14-Jan-88, 4-Feb-88, 15-Feb-89, 23-Nov-89, 13-Dec-90)

Keith Tkachuk - 11

Jarome Iginla - 11

Gerard Gallant - 10

Al Secord - 10

Paul Coffey - 9

Bobby Orr - 8

Scott Mellanby - 8

Matthew Barnaby - 8

Wendel Clark - 7

Eric Lindros - 6

Pat Verbeek - 6

Dale Hunter - 6

Lanny McDonald - 6

Jeremy Roenick - 5

Brenden Morrow - 5

Sean Avery - 5

Adam Deadmarsh - 5

Bobby Clarke - 5

Shayne Corson - 5

Zdeno Chara - 5

Darren McCarty - 5

Brad May - 5

Corey Perry - 4

Joe Thornton - 4

Bill Guerin - 4

Owen Nolan - 4

Brandon Dubinsky - 4

Clark Gillies - 4

Tie Domi - 4

Ryane Clowe - 3

Milan Lucic - 3

Chris Stewart - 3

Shane Doan - 3

Vincent Lecavalier - 3

Kevin Stevens - 3

Adam Graves - 3

Keith Primeau - 3

Gary Roberts - 3

Mark Messier - 3

Rick Nash - 3

Ryan Getzlaf - 2

Scott Hartnell - 2

Mike Richards - 2

Chris Neil - 2

Troy Brouwer - 2

Chris Gratton - 2

Nathan Horton - 1

David Clarkson - 1

Wayne Simmonds - 1

Todd Bertuzzi - 1

Scott Walker - 1

Sidney Crosby - 1

Pavel Datsyuk - 1

Ilya Kovalchuk - 1

Evander Kane - 1

Claude Lemieux - 1

Dion Phaneuf - 1

Shea Weber - 1

Claude Giroux - 1

Wayne Gretzky - 1



I will keep adding more players sporadically when I have time.

Mayor Bee 10-18-2012 10:47 AM

Random fun fact (as far as I can tell).

The record for the most PIMs in a GHHT game that I can find isn't Probert, or Shanahan, or Messier. It's Vinny Lecavalier, with 31 (March 17, 2006).

Looks like Owen Nolan may have the record for most points in a game with 6 (1 goal, 5 assists) on March 5, 1992.

And I think Jeremy Roenick has the most goals, with 4 (February 24, 1994).

Most eventful may be (not promising, but might be) Jared Boll, who had 1 goal, 1 assist, and 2 fights in 5:52 of ice time (November 23, 2009).

Chalupa Batman 10-18-2012 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by hexy17 (Post 55079279)
Forget what you've read from other sites or publications, this is the most accurate and longest list of players' career GHHT totals you've certainly ever come across.

I won't argue that it's not the longest. How do we know that it's the most accurate? (Not criticizing - I genuinely am interested.)

hexy17 10-18-2012 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Taco MacArthur (Post 55083087)
I won't argue that it's not the longest. How do we know that it's the most accurate? (Not criticizing - I genuinely am interested.)

Official box scores my man. I've done some hardcore research.

hexy17 10-18-2012 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mayor Bee (Post 55083001)
Random fun fact (as far as I can tell).

The record for the most PIMs in a GHHT game that I can find isn't Probert, or Shanahan, or Messier. It's Vinny Lecavalier, with 31 (March 17, 2006).

Looks like Owen Nolan may have the record for most points in a game with 6 (1 goal, 5 assists) on March 5, 1992.

And I think Jeremy Roenick has the most goals, with 4 (February 24, 1994).

Most eventful may be (not promising, but might be) Jared Boll, who had 1 goal, 1 assist, and 2 fights in 5:52 of ice time (November 23, 2009).

Good stuff.

Mike Farkas 10-18-2012 11:42 AM

Nice work, thanks. What's the date range on these? Because, I don't see Gordie listed...I thought he had two? No?

Hockey Outsider 10-18-2012 12:02 PM

Wayne Gretzky had a GHH on December 22, 1982- 1 goal, 2 assists and a fight against Neal Broten.

As far as I can tell, Mario Lemieux never did.

tommygunn 10-18-2012 12:26 PM

Hardcore research? Yet I don't see Stan Mikita nor Ted Lindsay on your list. SIHR has Mikita having 22 in his career, Terrible Ted 19.

hexy17 10-18-2012 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Farkas (Post 55084187)
Nice work, thanks. What's the date range on these? Because, I don't see Gordie listed...I thought he had two? No?

I've heard Gordie has two as well but unfortunately I don't have game data for about the first five years of his career so I can't confirm it myself.

hexy17 10-18-2012 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tommygunn (Post 55085175)
Hardcore research? Yet I don't see Stan Mikita nor Ted Lindsay on your list. SIHR has Mikita having 22 in his career, Terrible Ted 19.

As you can see there are many players who are not on my list yet. This is just the start of it, more players to come. Mikita and Ted are both high priorities, although I don't know if I'll be able to find game data for the early part of Ted's career.

seventieslord 10-18-2012 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tommygunn (Post 55085175)
Hardcore research? Yet I don't see Stan Mikita nor Ted Lindsay on your list. SIHR has Mikita having 22 in his career, Terrible Ted 19.

I find it really hard to believe Mikita has 22, when he has 29 fights in his career. I doubt 22 of those times he also had a goal and an assist.

interesting to see Wendel place relatively high on this list when you consider how rare assists were for him.

tommygunn 10-18-2012 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hexy17 (Post 55085447)
As you can see there are many players who are not on my list yet. This is just the start of it, more players to come. Mikita and Ted are both high priorities, although I don't know if I'll be able to find game data for the early part of Ted's career.

It might have been wise to spend more time on this project before coming out and proclaiming 'this is the most accurate and longest list of players' career GHHT totals you've certainly ever come across.'

tommygunn 10-18-2012 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by seventieslord (Post 55085637)
I find it really hard to believe Mikita has 22, when he has 29 fights in his career. I doubt 22 of those times he also had a goal and an assist.

Dunno, but that's the number tabulated by The Society For International Hockey Research, and published in the The Hockey News (March 19, 2012 issue).

hexy17 10-18-2012 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tommygunn (Post 55085643)
It might have been wise to spend more time on this project before coming out and proclaiming 'this is the most accurate and longest list of players' career GHHT totals you've certainly ever come across.'

I proclaimed the truth. Where else on the internet can you find GHHT totals of Clark, Neely, Gillies, Lindros, or most of the guys on this list for that matter? I've been trying to find someone with that information for years and I finally said f%&k it and did the research myself. I don't see the point of you ragging on me for the hard work I put into this.

hexy17 10-18-2012 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by seventieslord (Post 55085637)
I find it really hard to believe Mikita has 22, when he has 29 fights in his career. I doubt 22 of those times he also had a goal and an assist.

interesting to see Wendel place relatively high on this list when you consider how rare assists were for him.

Figuring out Mikita's total is my next project. And Clark averaged about a fight and a goal every second game for the first few years of his career, so by default a lot of his assists occurred in the same games. 5 out of his 7 GHHTs happened in his first two years actually.

tommygunn 10-18-2012 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hexy17 (Post 55085827)
I proclaimed the truth. Where else on the internet can you find GHHT totals of Clark, Neely, Gillies, Lindros, or most of the guys on this list for that matter?

http://www.sihrhockey.org/main.cfm

Quote:

I've been trying to find someone with that information for years and I finally said f%&k it and did the research myself. I don't see the point of you ragging on me for the hard work I put into this.
I respect your enthusiasm! I just thought you should have waited until your data was more complete. The absence of Mikita and Lindsay et al. is inexcusable, IMO.

hexy17 10-18-2012 01:11 PM

[QUOTE=tommygunn;55086037]http://www.sihrhockey.org/main.cfm


Who wants to pay for stats?

seventieslord 10-18-2012 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hexy17 (Post 55086241)
http://www.sihrhockey.org/main.cfm


Who wants to pay for stats?

I wouldn’t pay a profit organization for stats. But SIHR is a class organization; all funds collected cover operating costs and promotion of hockey history – a good example would be the compelling package they put together and submitted to the HHOF to attempt to have James Creighton inducted as a builder, as well as the headstone they purchased for his previously tattered grave.

and quality-wise, it's the best stats database out there. as far as the nhl goes, it's no different from hockey-reference or hockeydb, where you can click from player to team to league seamlessly, but on this database you can do it for all players, teams, and leagues, not just NHL. in that regard it is even far more user-friendly than hockeydb. And no popups.

hexy17 10-18-2012 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by seventieslord (Post 55088089)

I wouldn’t pay a profit organization for stats. But SIHR is a class organization; all funds collected cover operating costs and promotion of hockey history – a good example would be the compelling package they put together and submitted to the HHOF to attempt to have James Creighton inducted as a builder, as well as the headstone they purchased for his previously tattered grave.

and quality-wise, it's the best stats database out there. as far as the nhl goes, it's no different from hockey-reference or hockeydb, where you can click from player to team to league seamlessly, but on this database you can do it for all players, teams, and leagues, not just NHL. in that regard it is even far more user-friendly than hockeydb. And no popups.

That's ok I guess. I do doubt that they have a complete list of players with GHHTs like the other guy is saying though, probably just the top 5 that was published in that hockey news article, which by the way is not accurate at all. Tocchet has 18 not 15 and Sutter has 17 not 12, either they did not count the playoffs or are confused as to what a GHHT is. Or they simply did not look at every game.

Chalupa Batman 10-18-2012 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hexy17 (Post 55088711)
That's ok I guess. I do doubt that they have a complete list of players with GHHTs like the other guy is saying though, probably just the top 5 that was published in that hockey news article, which by the way is not accurate at all. Tocchet has 18 not 15 and Sutter has 17 not 12, either they did not count the playoffs or are confused as to what a GHHT is. Or they simply did not look at every game.

It would help if, instead of listing the totals, you also listed the games that you counted for each player. That would make it easier for someone else to verify your totals as accurate (instead of taking your word for it).

DT77 10-18-2012 02:44 PM

I have done a ridiculous amount of research into Lanny McDonald's career, so I can give you his totals:

4 with Toronto, 1 with Colorado and 1 with Calgary for 6 total.

These are games where he's officially credited with a fighting major.

To abide with the request above:

1. January 8th vs. Vancouver, 1G/1A, Fight (Ron Sedlbauer)
2. February 25th, 1976 vs. Detroit, 1G/1A, Fight (Dennis Polonich)
3. April 3rd, 1977 vs. Boston, 1G/1A, Fight (Terry O'Reilly)
4. October 29th, 1977 vs. Detroit, 3G/1A, Fight (Al Cameron)
5. February 19th, 1980 vs. Philadelphia, 2G/2A, Fight (Jack McIlhargey)
6. October 30th, 1983 vs. Vancouver, 1G/1A, Fight (Dave Williams)

hexy17 10-18-2012 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco MacArthur (Post 55088943)
It would help if, instead of listing the totals, you also listed the games that you counted for each player. That would make it easier for someone else to verify your totals as accurate (instead of taking your word for it).

Great idea, that'll shed some doubts. I'll start adding the games soon although it may take awhile, that's a lot of games to compile.

Mike Farkas 10-18-2012 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco MacArthur (Post 55088943)
It would help if, instead of listing the totals, you also listed the games that you counted for each player. That would make it easier for someone else to verify your totals as accurate (instead of taking your word for it).

First thing I thought of when I first saw the list as well.

Big Phil 10-18-2012 11:44 PM

I have no issue with Tocchet having 18. He has always been one of the top guys in that regard. But my memory seems to tell me that both Shanahan (17 on your list) and Iginla (11) officially passed him. I genuinely thought Iginla would have more than 11 since he is one of the best fits for this type of thing. But I have never done a whole lot of research on this officially so I'll roll with it.

Mayor Bee 10-19-2012 12:03 AM

Here's every one in Columbus history.

Jared Boll - November 23, 2009 v. NY Rangers (1 G, 1 A, 2 fights - Aaron Voros and Donald Brashear)

Rick Nash - January 11, 2006 v. Pittsburgh (1 G, 2 A, 1 fight - Rob Scuderi) [1st in franchise history]
November 14, 2007 v. Chicago (1 G, 1 A, 1 fight - Jim Vandermeer) [fight came at the end of the game, at 20:00 of the 3rd]
January 23, 2010 v. Minnesota (1 G, 1 A, 1 fight - Nick Schultz)

Fedor Tyutin - March 9, 2010 v. Anaheim (1 G, 2 A, 1 fight - Ryan Getzlaf)

RJ Umberger - February 21, 2012 v. San Jose (1 G, 1 A, 1 fight - Tommy Wingels)


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