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Leafs For Life* 10-20-2012 01:36 AM

The Luongo Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Squiffy (Post 55132751)
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Originally Posted by DirtyDion03 (Post 55132589)
I don't understand how people don't think Luongo is a good idea. Sure the contract looks bad but I'm sure Burke will have a way out of it. Plus do we really want to rely on Reimer? One of the things stopping us from making the playoffs is a #1 goaltender. Everyone knows that Reimer is our most important player going into a playable season. I'd feel a lot better saying Luongo was in our net then Reimer.

Contract doesn't scare me at all, as long as we can still bury cap hits in the A. He has a NTC, not an NMC. Not much risk to the richest eam in the league.

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Peter Griffin 10-20-2012 01:55 AM

So just curious, what do the Leafs fans that want Luongo think is a fair offer for him taking into consideration the Canucks' needs?

Leafs For Life* 10-20-2012 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter Griffin (Post 55133061)
So just curious, what do the Leafs fans that want Luongo think is a fair offer for him taking into consideration the Canucks' needs?

Cond. 7th if he is still with a >.915 % in the last year of his contract.

LOL If you don't know what sarcasm is..

Aplayaz2000 10-20-2012 02:09 AM

as a man who thinks he's a decent goalie with great success

bad contract, rather pass
plus i love Reimer!

Peter Griffin 10-20-2012 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Leaffan16 (Post 55133147)
Cond. 7th if he is still with a >.915 % in the last year of his contract.

LOL If you don't know what sarcasm is..

Soooo....is that in the 2022 or 2023 draft?

Vankiller Whale 10-20-2012 02:11 AM

I'm going to say at least one of the following pieces should be included for us to look at it:
Kessel, Rielly,(Not a snowball's chance in heck)
Lupul, Gardiner, JVR,( Preferred centrepieces)
1st, Kulemin, Kadri.(Would require any 2 of these if none of the above tier)

With Colborne, Ashton, 2nd round picks, Frattin, etc. being throw ins.

Just my perspective on what it would take to convince us we'd be better off trading him.

Urban Explorer* 10-20-2012 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 55133179)
I'm going to say at least one of the following pieces should be included for us to look at it:
Kessel, Rielly,(Not a snowball's chance in heck)
Lupul, Gardiner, JVR,( Preferred centrepieces)
1st, Kulemin, Kadri.(Would require any 2 of these if none of the above tier)

With Colborne, Ashton, 2nd round picks, Frattin, etc. being throw ins.

Just my perspective on what it would take to convince us we'd be better off trading him.

hahhahahaha good one man! what a joke. You think you would even get a 1st round pick on it's own? nevermind +kadri + 1st for luongo (that's just hilarious). I don't think so.

Man Bear Pig 10-20-2012 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter Griffin (Post 55133061)
So just curious, what do the Leafs fans that want Luongo think is a fair offer for him taking into consideration the Canucks' needs?

I don't think Canucks fans will ever be satisfied with what Leafs fans would offer. Personally, the following would be available:

Blacker
Colborne
Kadri
Frattin
Picks after the first round
and other prospects


These are the main pieces the Leafs would be willing to deal. Like it or not, I believe that's the reality of the situation. If the Canucls can do better then Kadri or Colborne, then that's great, good luck.

Vankiller Whale 10-20-2012 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Explorer (Post 55133247)
hahhahahaha good one man! what a joke. You think you would even get a 1st round pick on it's own? nevermind +kadri + 1st for luongo (that's just hilarious). I don't think so.

Okay. But I don't think we'll move Luongo for less. We won't move him unless we become noticeably better, whether now or in the future.

Man Bear Pig 10-20-2012 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 55133355)
Okay. But I don't think we'll move Luongo for less. We won't move him unless we become noticeably better, whether now or in the future.

Then keep him. Good luck having that much of the cap on 2 goalies. This is what Canucks fans don't seem to understand; the 29 teams around the league know you're cornered. On top of this, you have a handful of teams to deal to. Mainly, 2, being Miami and Toronto and the Panthers aren't likely interested. If I'm the Leafs GM I know you don't have leverage. You wanna go into the next NHL season with that much committed to 2 goalies, thats fine, you do that. The Canucks have much less leverage than Gillis has hypnotized the fans into.

cloak 10-20-2012 03:47 AM

Luongo is a good idea?


LOL

not sure if serious.

Grant 10-20-2012 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter Griffin (Post 55133061)
So just curious, what do the Leafs fans that want Luongo think is a fair offer for him taking into consideration the Canucks' needs?

If I was Vancouver, I would personally want Bozak in the deal. With recent injuries to Kesler, I would want someone who can play #3 center behind him when he is healthy but move up into the top 6 if needed from injuries.

That wouldn't be enough though, don't know what else they would want however. Their team is pretty solid so it's not like they have needs, they more have areas to upgrade and I'm not sure which area is the most dire. Would they want a skilled guy to replace what they lost when they traded Hodgson? Or are they looking for more of what they got in return in that deal (Kassian)? Do they want a goalie in the deal?

That's what makes a fair trade for both teams more difficult. Hard to pin down exactly what they need. It's mostly just upgrades at spots they need and if they are trading Luongo they want a sizable upgrade, but no team seems to be willing to do that.

K19* 10-20-2012 06:20 AM

I think the best thing that could happen to this franchise would be to bottom out once again and get, at minimum, a top-5 pick in 2013. There's a good chance it could fill our glaring #1C need for the next 10-15 years.

BUT, I don't think Burke nor ownership would go for that. Knowing this, I think Luongo is a decent option. He would make us a legitimate borderline playoff team. This team needs that because right now our goaltending is terrible and we have no credibility. Add a Luongo to what we have and suddenly we're a much better team.

To summarize: I'd tank for an attempt at a potential franchise player in 2013, but knowing Burke/ownership likely won't, I think Luongo is a pretty decent option all things considered.

The question is "how much will we give up?"

lampshade* 10-20-2012 06:28 AM

I would much prefer him over Reimer. With the tendy random we have now we cannot expect to go anywhere or soon. That said a over payment for him would be stupid, something this org is very capable and has a consistent past record of doing.

DaveT83* 10-20-2012 06:45 AM

I can't believe some of you are talking about including Gardner/1sts/Frattins/Blackers etc

Have none of you learned anything from the last decade?
You're ignorance is astounding.
I'm truly embarrassed to be a part of this fan base.

htpwn 10-20-2012 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 55133179)
I'm going to say at least one of the following pieces should be included for us to look at it:
Kessel, Rielly,(Not a snowball's chance in heck)
Lupul, Gardiner, JVR,( Preferred centrepieces)
1st, Kulemin, Kadri.(Would require any 2 of these if none of the above tier)

With Colborne, Ashton, 2nd round picks, Frattin, etc. being throw ins.

Just my perspective on what it would take to convince us we'd be better off trading him.

I've gone over with you about this before on the Trade Board. Many, if not the majority, of us Leaf fans would welcome Luongo on this team but are not interested in trading anything significant to get him.

From our perspective, you have a 34-year-old goalie on your hands with a large, long-term contract and a NTC with very limited suitors. You have to be absolutely daft to bring up names like Kessel, Rielly, Gardiner, or Lupul. The only way those names move, period, is if Kesler is coming back the other way.

In fact, I wouldn't even trade Kulemin, 1st, or Kadri straight up for Luongo, let alone two of them in a package.

You'll get something along the lines of MacArthur and a 2nd for Luongo if he does get traded to Toronto. It is a fair return given the circumstances.

blasted_Sabre 10-20-2012 07:29 AM

everything depends on what the cba looks like. if its status quo or changes so the hit stays with his team post retirement, his value will be low. If it changes to his hit staying with the team he signed the contract with then his value will be high.

onebighockeyfan 10-20-2012 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Man Bear Pig (Post 55133447)
Then keep him. Good luck having that much of the cap on 2 goalies. This is what Canucks fans don't seem to understand; the 29 teams around the league know you're cornered. On top of this, you have a handful of teams to deal to. Mainly, 2, being Miami and Toronto and the Panthers aren't likely interested. If I'm the Leafs GM I know you don't have leverage. You wanna go into the next NHL season with that much committed to 2 goalies, thats fine, you do that. The Canucks have much less leverage than Gillis has hypnotized the fans into.

Leafs will not get Luongo for cheap. Having two good goalies is a tremendous asset. Both are tradable. The bigger problem is not having a decent #1 goalie which puts the Leafs in a desperate position. furthermore, Burke is not in a great position since he has huge pressure to make the playoffs. Their fans and ownership want that as well. If anything the Leafs will overpay. It will cost them something like Gardiner, Kadri and some throw-ins/picks. Some on here will not like that because, hell, they want Luongo for almost nothing but you have to give to get a #1 like Luongo. That's just being realistic.

onebighockeyfan 10-20-2012 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by htpwn (Post 55134153)
I've gone over with you about this before on the Trade Board. Many, if not the majority, of us Leaf fans would welcome Luongo on this team but are not interested in trading anything significant to get him.

From our perspective, you have a 34-year-old goalie on your hands with a large, long-term contract and a NTC with very limited suitors. You have to be absolutely daft to bring up names like Kessel, Rielly, Gardiner, or Lupul. The only way those names move, period, is if Kesler is coming back the other way.

In fact, I wouldn't even trade Kulemin, 1st, or Kadri straight up for Luongo, let alone two of them in a package.

You'll get something along the lines of MacArthur and a 2nd for Luongo if he does get traded to Toronto. It is a fair return given the circumstances.

Another example of what I'm saying.

onebighockeyfan 10-20-2012 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by htpwn (Post 55134153)
I've gone over with you about this before on the Trade Board. Many, if not the majority, of us Leaf fans would welcome Luongo on this team but are not interested in trading anything significant to get him.

From our perspective, you have a 34-year-old goalie on your hands with a large, long-term contract and a NTC with very limited suitors. You have to be absolutely daft to bring up names like Kessel, Rielly, Gardiner, or Lupul. The only way those names move, period, is if Kesler is coming back the other way.

In fact, I wouldn't even trade Kulemin, 1st, or Kadri straight up for Luongo, let alone two of them in a package.

You'll get something along the lines of MacArthur and a 2nd for Luongo if he does get traded to Toronto. It is a fair return given the circumstances.

And he's 33.

MapleReef 10-20-2012 07:34 AM

Made me laugh too!
 
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Originally Posted by Urban Explorer (Post 55133247)
hahhahahaha good one man! what a joke. You think you would even get a 1st round pick on it's own? nevermind +kadri + 1st for luongo (that's just hilarious). I don't think so.

I would only give a first if Vancouver took salary too.....maybe a Connolly or a Komasirek?

onebighockeyfan 10-20-2012 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveT83 (Post 55134119)
I can't believe some of you are talking about including Gardner/1sts/Frattins/Blackers etc

Have none of you learned anything from the last decade?
You're ignorance is astounding.
I'm truly embarrassed to be a part of this fan base.

Then you forget about Luongo and find a solution elsewhere. Gillis will not simply give him away for AHLers just to help out pour Burkie.

Drew311 10-20-2012 07:35 AM

Bozak + Rights to Franson + 2012 2nd

MapleReef 10-20-2012 07:37 AM

It's Gillis who needs the help...
 
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Originally Posted by pelletier666 (Post 55134309)
Then you forget about Luongo and find a solution elsewhere. Gillis will not simply give him away for AHLers just to help out pour Burkie.

Bet that is exactly what he ends up doing!

onebighockeyfan 10-20-2012 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MapleReef (Post 55134329)
Bet that is exactly what he ends up doing!

I think so too. It does not solve the goalie situation but we keep or top prospects. But it likely means no playoff again which is disappointing. If one of Reimer/Scrievens turn out to be genuine #1 then that would be the best course of action. If both of them fail then the Leafs have the same problem next year with even more pressure to land a #1 and will likely have to give up more assets to get a #1.


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