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HometownHockey 10-24-2012 09:50 AM

Targeting Luongo would be a mistake for both the Maple Leafs and Oilers
 
Targeting Luongo would be a mistake for both the Maple Leafs and Oilers

By Rob Soria

It's obvious people are starting to grow tired of all this NHL Lockout talk, as rumours surrounding the possible trading of Roberto Luongo have started to make the rounds one more time. Not surprisingly, the Toronto Maple Leafs still sit atop that list but recent talk has now turned the spotlight onto the Edmonton Oilers possibly having interest in the Vancouver Canucks puckstopper.

While no one can honestly question the abilities of Luongo as a starting netminder, one can easily question his current contract...which runs until the end of the 2020-2021 campaign and see him paid an annual salary of $6.714 million over the next six seasons.

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http://www.ourhometown.ca/edmonton/sports/RS0435.php

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caribouPINE 10-24-2012 09:53 AM

We don't even know what the new CBA will look like so how can we say it is a mistake?

If there is an amnesty clause we can eventually use, or if his cap hit reverts back to the Canucks are both huge PROS FOR acquiring Luongo and its very possible that one, if not both, are in the new CBA so tell Rob Soria to wait before proclaiming it's a bad move.

Drew311 10-24-2012 10:08 AM

"It's safe to say the following teams would be almost guaranteed to make the playoffs:

Pittsburgh Penguins, Philadelphia Flyers, New York Rangers, New Jersey Devils, Boston Bruins, Washington Capitals"


Pretty bold to be making almost concrete decisions about who will make the playoffs before a new CBA is signed. I think a big flurry of trades will go down in the 1-2 weeks following the signing of the new CBA and the start of the season. What happens if 3-4 teams in the conference have to make big time roster shake-up trades to conform to the new salary cap?

Plus proclaiming teams like New Jersey and Washington are sure-fire playoff teams at this point is completely ridiculous. Jersey just lost their best player and are going into the season with two fossils between the pipes.

Did this guy predict Ottawa would make the playoffs last season and Buffalo wouldn't?

DirtyDion03 10-24-2012 10:10 AM

Didn't Kovalchuk just say if the CBA reduces salaries he might not go back? If that happens the Devils are screwed. Not only that but Brodeur isn't getting any younger.. Washington doesn't have a sure fire #1. Holtby was good in the playoffs, but I can see him being like Niemi.

caribouPINE 10-24-2012 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew311 (Post 55240971)
"It's safe to say the following teams would be almost guaranteed to make the playoffs:

Pittsburgh Penguins, Philadelphia Flyers, New York Rangers, New Jersey Devils, Boston Bruins, Washington Capitals"


Pretty bold to be making almost concrete decisions about who will make the playoffs before a new CBA is signed. I think a big flurry of trades will go down in the 1-2 weeks following the signing of the new CBA and the start of the season. What happens if 3-4 teams in the conference have to make big time roster shake-up trades to conform to the new salary cap?

Plus proclaiming teams like New Jersey and Washington are sure-fire playoff teams at this point is completely ridiculous. Jersey just lost their best player and are going into the season with two fossils between the pipes.

Did this guy predict Ottawa would make the playoffs last season and Buffalo wouldn't?


Not to mention, pretty much 90-95% of prognositcators had the Habs AND Lightning BOTH making the playoffs last year.

I remember Steve Kouleous talking vividly last year about "If the Leafs want to get in, that means 1 of the following teams will have to miss..." and he said the Habs/Bolts were guarantees.

Nobody had Ottawa in last year. Or PHX as a home-team seed. And NJ was coming off a disastrous season.

All BS

ErnieLeafs 10-24-2012 10:19 AM

Is there a reason he's allowed to advertise his blog on this board?
Not to mention, for someone who fancies himself a writer, his grammar is AWFUL.

jumptheshark 10-24-2012 10:26 AM

I still say that the rumours that oilers are in the Hunt is being planted by the Vancouver media.

Eb 10-24-2012 10:28 AM

There's already a thread for Luongo talk. This should be moved

DirtyDion03 10-24-2012 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jumptheshark (Post 55241519)
I still say that the rumours that oilers are in the Hunt is being planted by the Vancouver media.

Definitely. He doesn't fit their age bracket nor does it really make sense. They'd have to give up quite a bit and I'm not sure they'd want to do that. Unless they are giving up Hemsky. But I highly doubt the Oilers are going to try to trade for a goalie, instead of just drafting one and letting him develop with the kids they already have.

Eb 10-24-2012 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDion03 (Post 55241029)
Didn't Kovalchuk just say if the CBA reduces salaries he might not go back? If that happens the Devils are screwed. Not only that but Brodeur isn't getting any younger.. Washington doesn't have a sure fire #1. Holtby was good in the playoffs, but I can see him being like Niemi.

If they lose Kovalchuk, trading their prospects or picks is the last thing the Devils will do for an awful contract.

Grant 10-24-2012 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDion03 (Post 55241575)
Definitely. He doesn't fit their age bracket nor does it really make sense. They'd have to give up quite a bit and I'm not sure they'd want to do that. Unless they are giving up Hemsky. But I highly doubt the Oilers are going to try to trade for a goalie, instead of just drafting one and letting him develop with the kids they already have.

While I agree that I don't think Luongo would be the best fit age wise, I think it could work.

When Pittsburgh and Chicago won the cup, it was when their star players were still on their cheaper contracts allowing them to compete better. Edmonton may be taking the gamble of their young guns tearing it up soon in 2-3 years (while still being cheap) when Luongo would still be of use. Risky, but it could pay off.

DirtyDion03 10-24-2012 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Grant (Post 55241699)
While I agree that I don't think Luongo would be the best fit age wise, I think it could work.

When Pittsburgh and Chicago won the cup, it was when their star players were still on their cheaper contracts allowing them to compete better. Edmonton may be taking the gamble of their young guns tearing it up soon in 2-3 years (while still being cheap) when Luongo would still be of use. Risky, but it could pay off.

Hall and Eberle are no longer on cheap contracts. Adding Luongo will only hinder their ability to continue to re-sign their young guys like RNH and Yakupov in the coming years. This doesn't include any defensemen, goalies, or other forwards along the way. Adding Luongo doesn't make sense for Edmonton unless they are losing Horcoff or Hemsky.

DaveT83* 10-24-2012 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDion03 (Post 55241575)
Definitely. He doesn't fit their age bracket nor does it really make sense. They'd have to give up quite a bit and I'm not sure they'd want to do that. Unless they are giving up Hemsky. But I highly doubt the Oilers are going to try to trade for a goalie, instead of just drafting one and letting him develop with the kids they already have.

And he fits with Toronto? Shouldn't Toronto have the exact same stance as you suggest EDM take?

DirtyDion03 10-24-2012 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveT83 (Post 55242093)
And he fits with Toronto? Shouldn't Toronto have the exact same stance as you suggest EDM take?

Toronto has 3 #1 overall picks in the past three years? Toronto has to re-sign these guys plus others? Toronto doesn't have the same stance as Edmonton because Toronto HAS to make the playoffs. Edmonton doesn't HAVE to make the playoffs this year, or even next year. They have lots of time left. Toronto needs to make the playoffs or else the fans are going to go insane. Edmonton doesn't even know where they are playing in the next few years too.. I see them sticking with Dubnyk until they trade for Bernier.

Barney Gumble 10-24-2012 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyDion03 (Post 55241575)
But I highly doubt the Oilers are going to try to trade for a goalie, instead of just drafting one and letting him develop with the kids they already have.

Goalies take the longest to develop. It could be 5+ years before such a drafted goalie every sees NHL icetime (I personally feel it's a waste to use a 1st round pick on a goalie - too much risk). Better for the Oilers to sign a veteran goalie (doesn't have to be Luongo) to take either the starters role or help work with Dubnyk).

DaveT83* 10-24-2012 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyDion03 (Post 55242159)
Toronto has 3 #1 overall picks in the past three years? Toronto has to re-sign these guys plus others? Toronto doesn't have the same stance as Edmonton because Toronto HAS to make the playoffs. Edmonton doesn't HAVE to make the playoffs this year, or even next year. They have lots of time left. Toronto needs to make the playoffs or else the fans are going to go insane. Edmonton doesn't even know where they are playing in the next few years too.. I see them sticking with Dubnyk until they trade for Bernier.

This is the stupidest thing I have ever read.

Edmonton are rebuilding
Toronto is rebuilding

Neither should be mortgaging their future for short term gains.

DirtyDion03 10-24-2012 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveT83 (Post 55245537)
This is the stupidest thing I have ever read.

Edmonton are rebuilding
Toronto is rebuilding

Neither should be mortgaging their future for short term gains.

Everyone knows Burke hates making the playoffs. If you can get an all-star goalie for less then market value, you need to do it. The Leafs core is much older then the Oilers core.

Squiffy 10-24-2012 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ErnieLeafs (Post 55241301)
Is there a reason he's allowed to advertise his blog on this board?

https://sites.google.com/a/hfboards....artnersprogram

DaveT83* 10-24-2012 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyDion03 (Post 55247283)
Everyone knows Burke hates making the playoffs. If you can get an all-star goalie for less then market value, you need to do it. The Leafs core is much older then the Oilers core.

So since were older - we should trade away prospects/picks (youth/futures) for a 33 year old Veteran goalie?

Lucbourdon 10-24-2012 02:10 PM

that was a pretty bad article, Nobody can predict the playoffs before the season happens.

Last year nobody had the blues so high, and people pegged tampa as a top end team, It changes.

TheCLAM 10-24-2012 02:20 PM

How is New Jersey guaranteed to make a playoff spot? LMAO

Squiffy 10-24-2012 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCLAM (Post 55248995)
How is New Jersey guaranteed to make a playoff spot? LMAO

They did just go to the finals, it's not an especially bold position. But it's true, all pre-season predictions of teams "virtually guaranteed" to hold playoff position inevitably contain one or two that surprise and bomb out.

Fogelhund 10-24-2012 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyDion03 (Post 55247283)
Everyone knows Burke hates making the playoffs. If you can get an all-star goalie for less then market value, you need to do it. The Leafs core is much older then the Oilers core.

Yet, the average age of the Oilers is older than that of the Leafs...

http://www.thehockeynetwork.com/foru...nger-teams.php

I get your point, but if you are building a team, and have a chance to pick up a building block for the the right price, you do so. If it isn't the right price, you move on... which is why the deal isn't done yet.

The Podium 10-24-2012 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Eb (Post 55241633)
If they lose Kovalchuk, trading their prospects or picks is the last thing the Devils will do for an awful contract.

Dont forget NJ still has to forefit a 1st round pick, considering where they were picking last season, i dont understand why they would risk forefitting what looks like it will be a top 10 pick (either 2013/14) for Matteau... Unless they were banking on the CBA nullifying that agreement.

TmlHockeyFan 10-24-2012 03:11 PM

No need to set ourselves back by trading for Luongo.


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