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piqued 10-24-2012 02:30 PM

Texas Game #6: vs Milwaukee, 10.24 (7:30 PM)
 
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Nemeth 10-24-2012 03:11 PM

Heard from reliable source that J. Benn will be starting in goal :amazed:

piqued 10-24-2012 03:19 PM

J. Benn played so well in camp he earned a spot at forward, D, and in net.

BigG44 10-24-2012 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by piqued (Post 55250813)
J. Benn played so well in camp he earned a spot at forward, D, and in net.

There's no way people would be this up in arms about Smith if he was born in Virginia, Minnesota, rather than the Metroplex.

piqued 10-24-2012 03:37 PM

Where he's from has nothing to do with it, whether you believe that or not. It's a question of whether you play talent. People can marginalize A. Smith's future all they want -- he's still one of the most flat-out talented players in the system.

BigG44 10-24-2012 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by piqued (Post 55251339)
Where he's from has nothing to do with it, whether you believe that or not. It's a question of whether you play talent. People can marginalize A. Smith's future all they want -- he's still one of the most flat-out talented players in the system.

That's the issue then. I don't agree with that statement at all. He's 24 years old and dominated a lesser college conference. He has significantly more to prove than nearly every other Dallas prospect playing in Texas/Idaho this year.

LatvianTwist 10-24-2012 03:55 PM

For being 2-3 years older than most of his competition, I've never really been impressed by A. Smith to be honest. Maybe you all are seeing something I'm not, but that's my take.

piqued 10-24-2012 03:56 PM

You can bring up age and strength of competition all you want, but they have nothing to do with the issue. No one is saying that A. Smith is likely to become some great NHLer, or even an NHLer. All I'm saying is that he has skill, skill that's worth the apparently incredible inconvenience of finding him some playing time in the AHL.

LatvianTwist 10-24-2012 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by piqued (Post 55251951)
You can bring up age and strength of competition all you want, but they have nothing to do with the issue. No one is saying that A. Smith is likely to become some great NHLer, or even an NHLer. All I'm saying is that he has skill, skill that's worth the apparently incredible inconvenience of finding him some playing time in the AHL.

I'll have to side with BigG on this one. Just don't see a spot in the top 9 in CP for him (especially if Glennie sticks and once Sceviour's back).

BigG44 10-24-2012 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LatvianTwist (Post 55252259)
I'll have to side with BigG on this one. Just don't see a spot in the top 9 in CP for him (especially if Glennie sticks and once Sceviour's back).

Piqued and others feel though that prior to Glennie and Sceviour coming back he could have been in over Vause, Roussel, and Hedden.

That's where I think the major divide is. It seems to come down to whether you play the best players (people who earned ice time) or play your prospects, and I don't have an issue with players being forced to earn their role. I also trust 100 degree hockey when he mentioned that A. Smith just wasn't as good as some other players in the pre-season ... which to me does matter.

I get people's frustration with Morin, Petersen, and Wathier in the mix since they clearly aren't being signed for development reasons. They are veteran leadership. It's clearly Dallas' philosophy to go with the prospect/veteran mix so you're just banging your head against the wall if you are bemoaning that move by Dallas/Texas. Every AHL team looks for that type of balance.

Frozen Failure 10-24-2012 05:15 PM

Are we serious about Jordie starting in goal?

Stars99Lobo37 10-24-2012 05:22 PM

Glennie in.

MB94 10-24-2012 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Frozen Failure (Post 55253973)
Are we serious about Jordie starting in goal?

lol no

piqued 10-24-2012 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BigG44 (Post 55253091)
That's where I think the major divide is. It seems to come down to whether you play the best players (people who earned ice time) or play your prospects, and I don't have an issue with players being forced to earn their role.

And I believe this is a mischaracterization. You're just deeming those players to be the "best" and to have "earned" icetime. I disagree.

You can call it banging my head into the wall or whatever, but if I disagree with what they're doing I'm going to say so. If it were up to me, Sceviour, Morin, and Fortunus would be the only veterans on the team at all. Maybe Wathier.

FrailSwan 10-24-2012 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Frozen Failure (Post 55253973)
Are we serious about Jordie starting in goal?

haha, that would be half way epic though :laugh:

Fly Like a C5 10-24-2012 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by piqued (Post 55254341)
And I believe this is a mischaracterization. You're just deeming those players to be the "best" and to have "earned" icetime. I disagree.

You can call it banging my head into the wall or whatever, but if I disagree with what they're doing I'm going to say so. If it were up to me, Sceviour, Morin, and Fortunus would be the only veterans on the team at all. Maybe Wathier.

The problem is that the team is still a business and would like to make a profit. Winning games and making the playoffs is a huge part in attracting fans/advertisers and in turn making a profit. To do that you need veteran players and grinders. Add in the fact that the lockout has resulted in players staying in the AHL instead of graduating to the NHL and suddenly the roster is very crowded. Without the lockout Vincour, Eakin, Dillon, Petersen, and likely one of Chiasson/R Smith/Fraser are in the NHL.

If A. Smith is going to have any chance at adapting his scoring ability to the pro game he needs playing time. He needs top 6 minutes. Unfortunately due to the lockout he's stuck behind Chiasson, R. Smith, Fraser, and Vincour. Why not send him to the ECHL (which will have a higher level of competition this season due to the lockout) for increased playing time and see if he can get his scoring touch going at the pro level?

Stars99Lobo37 10-24-2012 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Fly Like a C5 (Post 55254847)
Without the lockout Vincour, Eakin, Dillon, Petersen, and likely one of Chiasson/R Smith/Fraser are in the NHL.

No. Petersen was always going to be in Austin.

Fly Like a C5 10-24-2012 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Stars99Lobo37 (Post 55254943)
No. Petersen was always going to be in Austin.

Fair enough. My point was the without the lockout at four players would be in Dallas not Austin right now.

piqued 10-24-2012 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Fly Like a C5 (Post 55254847)
If A. Smith is going to have any chance at adapting his scoring ability to the pro game he needs playing time. He needs top 6 minutes. Unfortunately due to the lockout he's stuck behind Chiasson, R. Smith, Fraser, and Vincour. Why not send him to the ECHL (which will have a higher level of competition this season due to the lockout) for increased playing time and see if he can get his scoring touch going at the pro level?

Why not do that in the first place, then?

FrailSwan 10-24-2012 05:57 PM

Firstrow is streaming tonight.

http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/1486...xas-stars.html

MetalGodAOD 10-24-2012 06:00 PM

Forgot where I read it but Glennie supposedly looked really good in practice yesterday. Hope he's not on the 4th line or something stupid.

Fly Like a C5 10-24-2012 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by piqued (Post 55255035)
Why not do that in the first place, then?

They were waiting to see how Vause and Roussel would do? Didn't want to send anyone else to Idaho until Glennie was ready just in case someone got hurt?

FrailSwan 10-24-2012 06:03 PM

How long does a PTO last?

Stars99Lobo37 10-24-2012 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Fly Like a C5 (Post 55255175)
They were waiting to see how Vause and Roussel would do?

And THEN chose to send him down? Dear God, I hope not.

Stars99Lobo37 10-24-2012 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by FrailSwan (Post 55255199)
How long does a PTO last?

Limited to 25 games.


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