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Homeland Security 10-25-2012 01:18 PM

Isles moving to Brooklyn in 2015 PART II *Name/colors stay*
 
Part I: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1275047


We'll open Part II when Part I hits 1K in posts.

Homeland Security 10-25-2012 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 Min Misconduct (Post 55274231)
Part I: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1275047


We'll open Part II when Part I hits 1K in posts.

We're open.

RoseTintedVisor 10-25-2012 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 Min Misconduct (Post 55281601)
We're open.

1000 posts. in less than a day...

"Nobody cares about the Islanders" :laugh:

Islespuck89 10-25-2012 06:00 PM

dcv2002 - Mineola runs trains non stop to barclays. little known fact for when you do that in a few years. The villa of Mineola parking lots are FREE to park in after 7pm m-f and all day Sat and Sun!

lost35* 10-25-2012 06:15 PM

Bet Wang sells the team real soon
 
while everyone here is happy, I am not

the Islanders have 3 years left on their lease

There was no reason to get this done now

the Isles could have spent the next 2 years trying to find another buyer, or looking at other plans to keep them on the Island

Wang knew the Isles will be much more marketable with a move to Brooklyn, and now I bet he decides to get this headache off his back

I was always a supporter of Wang, as I know the Islanders situation before Wang and Kumar took over the team was bad, but if Wang made this move now just to make this team more marketable when he sells it, I will be pissed

JoeCool16 10-25-2012 06:56 PM

He's signing a pretty long-term lease with Barclay's, so I don't think the team will be sold for the purpose of moving out of state any time soon. What does it matter who owns it, if it becomes profitable and stays in NY (technically ON the Island) and stays the Islanders?

A Pointed Stick 10-25-2012 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lost35 (Post 55282153)
while everyone here is happy, I am not

the Islanders have 3 years left on their lease

There was no reason to get this done now

the Isles could have spent the next 2 years trying to find another buyer, or looking at other plans to keep them on the Island

Wang knew the Isles will be much more marketable with a move to Brooklyn, and now I bet he decides to get this headache off his back

I was always a supporter of Wang, as I know the Islanders situation before Wang and Kumar took over the team was bad, but if Wang made this move now just to make this team more marketable when he sells it, I will be pissed

You say this like it would be a bad thing. Please explain, because I would be more like, "I'm going to Disneyland!"

CREW99AW 10-25-2012 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lost35 (Post 55282153)
while everyone here is happy, I am not

the Islanders have 3 years left on their lease

There was no reason to get this done now

the Isles could have spent the next 2 years trying to find another buyer, or looking at other plans to keep them on the Island

Wang knew the Isles will be much more marketable with a move to Brooklyn, and now I bet he decides to get this headache off his back

I was always a supporter of Wang, as I know the Islanders situation before Wang and Kumar took over the team was bad, but if Wang made this move now just to make this team more marketable when he sells it, I will be pissed

The isles are locked into ironclad, local leases for the next 28 yrs.

Let Wang sell! It'll have to be a local buyer with those leases.

CREW99AW 10-25-2012 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A Pointed Stick (Post 55283281)
You say this like it would be a bad thing. Please explain, because I would be more like, "I'm going to Disneyland!"

:laugh:

Honestly. I'm trying to find the downside in the meddling, micro-manager finally selling.

PWJunior 10-25-2012 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CREW99AW (Post 55283735)
:laugh:

Honestly. I'm trying to find the downside in the meddling, micro-manager finally selling.

Agreed, I'm scratching my head over why it would be a bad thing too.

IslandersFan17 10-25-2012 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lost35 (Post 55282153)
while everyone here is happy, I am not

the Islanders have 3 years left on their lease

There was no reason to get this done now

the Isles could have spent the next 2 years trying to find another buyer, or looking at other plans to keep them on the Island

Wang knew the Isles will be much more marketable with a move to Brooklyn, and now I bet he decides to get this headache off his back

I was always a supporter of Wang, as I know the Islanders situation before Wang and Kumar took over the team was bad, but if Wang made this move now just to make this team more marketable when he sells it, I will be pissed

Why? Wang held up his side of the bargin, the Islanders are remaining a Long Island based team. The guy has been taking a fiscal hit of tremendous proportions and at this point... With the Islanders staying in LI, do you really care if the guy sells to someone?

Lets just say that super rich RUSSIAN owner of the Nets wants an NHL franchise and basically promises to keep the Islanders off the CAP FLOO... That will really upset you?

I am not saying lets construct a statue of Wang outside of the Barclay's center but still.

lost35* 10-25-2012 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A Pointed Stick (Post 55283281)
You say this like it would be a bad thing. Please explain, because I would be more like, "I'm going to Disneyland!"

wouldnt most fans prefer the team to stay on Long Island?

Again, the Islanders had 3 years left on their Nassau Coliseum lease

There was still plenty of talk about other options about building a new arena, and other people who were interested in buying the team and keeping them on the Island

Then we were hit with this BOMBSHELL yesterday

Why did Wang do it?

Well he knows he cant get much for them on the Island

a move to Brooklyn and the team is MUCH more profitable

Like I said, if he winds up selling the team in the next year or so, I will be PISSED

I would have preferred to see the Islanders on Long Island

and Wang probably wanted this headache off his back

Islander102 10-25-2012 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lost35 (Post 55285679)
wouldnt most fans prefer the team to stay on Long Island?

Again, the Islanders had 3 years left on their Nassau Coliseum lease

There was still plenty of talk about other options about building a new arena, and other people who were interested in buying the team and keeping them on the Island

Then we were hit with this BOMBSHELL yesterday

Why did Wang do it?

Well he knows he cant get much for them on the Island

a move to Brooklyn and the team is MUCH more profitable

Like I said, if he winds up selling the team in the next year or so, I will be PISSED

I would have preferred to see the Islanders on Long Island

and Wang probably wanted this headache off his back

Yeah, because Nassau politicians are famous for their ability to get big projects moving quickly. Whether you want to admit it to yourself, Nassau County, or "Long Island" as you like to call it (despite disregarding that the Islanders crossed no water to get to their new home) was out as an option. For an arena to be completed by 2015, they would have to come to an agreement by the end of this year. It wasn't happening. It was over. I'm sure you and some others would like to believe that a deal in Nassau was still out there to be had if Wang just tried harder, but there was none. The politicians of "Long Island" had no interest whatsoever in coming up with a solution to keep this team. They were as good as gone, whether it became official yesterday or not.

So what did Wang do? He moved them to a state of the art, world class arena in the financial capital of the universe, 20 miles away, atop a transit terminal accessing all of Long Island. What good for US, the fans (nevermind Wang) would have come out of waiting longer? This magical deal on Long Island was never happening, ever. Don't just look at Wang. 4-5 owners before him ALL tried to get a deal done too. The county and town wouldn't budge. The idea that all of a sudden, a deal was going to get done, comes from somewhere down the yellow brick road. No, the only thing that was going to happen if Wang waited would have been us counting down the days until the end of the lease worrying about if the team would still be there in 2016, all while Quebec and Seattle fans troll this board and the BOH forum with glee, and every visiting broadcast team talks about our impending uncertainty. Would that have been worth it just so that the Islanders could still flirt with a fantasy idea that was NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN, with politicians that have no interest in the team whatsoever?

Instead, we get to happily watch the remaining years of our lease tick down with relaxation and eager anticipation of our new world class home. Hell most of us now can't wait for 2015 instead of dreading the day with a knotted stomach. And not only that, but the Islanders now have the opportunity to build their brand in Brooklyn for a couple of years before coming over, instead of just hopping in unannounced with no anticipation building around the team. Really, honestly, I can't think of any valid negatives except sentimental loss of some traditions, but that isn't what you were complaining about at all.

Jester9881 10-25-2012 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lost35 (Post 55282153)
while everyone here is happy, I am not

the Islanders have 3 years left on their lease

There was no reason to get this done now

the Isles could have spent the next 2 years trying to find another buyer, or looking at other plans to keep them on the Island

Wang knew the Isles will be much more marketable with a move to Brooklyn, and now I bet he decides to get this headache off his back

I was always a supporter of Wang, as I know the Islanders situation before Wang and Kumar took over the team was bad, but if Wang made this move now just to make this team more marketable when he sells it, I will be pissed

The sooner the Islanders have stability the better. Nothing good could have come from waiting any longer.... it takes more time to get an arena built than what is left on the lease anyway.

Time ran out, BK was there with a completed venue. Cut and dry

Jester9881 10-25-2012 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PWJunior (Post 55283837)
Agreed, I'm scratching my head over why it would be a bad thing too.

Seriously... it's like, "I won the lotto? But, I have to also marry this beautiful woman?! Gah..... AND she's a nympho that loves to bake brownies?!"

DAMN YOU KARMAAAAAAA!!! (angrily shakes clenched fist in air)

lost35* 10-25-2012 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Islander102 (Post 55286849)
Yeah, because Nassau politicians are famous for their ability to get big projects moving quickly. Whether you want to admit it to yourself, Nassau County, or "Long Island" as you like to call it (despite disregarding that the Islanders crossed no water to get to their new home) was out as an option. For an arena to be completed by 2015, they would have to come to an agreement by the end of this year. It wasn't happening. It was over. I'm sure you and some others would like to believe that a deal in Nassau was still out there to be had if Wang just tried harder, but there was none. The politicians of "Long Island" had no interest whatsoever in coming up with a solution to keep this team. They were as good as gone, whether it became official yesterday or not.

So what did Wang do? He moved them to a state of the art, world class arena in the financial capital of the universe, 20 miles away, atop a transit terminal accessing all of Long Island. What good for US, the fans (nevermind Wang) would have come out of waiting longer? This magical deal on Long Island was never happening, ever. Don't just look at Wang. 4-5 owners before him ALL tried to get a deal done too. The county and town wouldn't budge. The idea that all of a sudden, a deal was going to get done, comes from somewhere down the yellow brick road. No, the only thing that was going to happen if Wang waited would have been us counting down the days until the end of the lease worrying about if the team would still be there in 2016, all while Quebec and Seattle fans troll this board and the BOH forum with glee, and every visiting broadcast team talks about our impending uncertainty. Would that have been worth it just so that the Islanders could still flirt with a fantasy idea that was NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN, with politicians that have no interest in the team whatsoever?

Instead, we get to happily watch the remaining years of our lease tick down with relaxation and eager anticipation of our new world class home. Hell most of us now can't wait for 2015 instead of dreading the day with a knotted stomach. And not only that, but the Islanders now have the opportunity to build their brand in Brooklyn for a couple of years before coming over, instead of just hopping in unannounced with no anticipation building around the team. Really, honestly, I can't think of any valid negatives except sentimental loss of some traditions, but that isn't what you were complaining about at all.

again Wang could have gave a deadline, say that if nothing was done at the beginning of the 2014-15 season, he would have the team moved to Brooklyn

and Barclays Center is not the Islanders home, it is the Nets home, Islanders are the tenants in that home

invictus 10-25-2012 09:25 PM

Penguins fan here. I just wanted to say congrats to all you Isles fans! It was not so long ago my beloved team was in danger of moving. So, I know how relieved you all are!

Just curious, about how far will the new arena be from the current one in terms of travel by car (or rail, or whatever is most common in that part of the city)?

Congrats again!

Islander102 10-25-2012 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by invictus (Post 55287219)
Penguins fan here. I just wanted to say congrats to all you Isles fans! It was not so long ago my beloved team was in danger of moving. So, I know how relieved you all are!

Just curious, about how far will the new arena be from the current one in terms of travel by car (or rail, or whatever is most common in that part of the city)?

Congrats again!

22 miles direct point A (Nassau Coliseum) to point B (Barclays).
About a 40-60 min drive (depending on traffic)
about a 30- 45 min train ride from the station nearest the Coliseum to the basement of Barclays, depending on local/express.

And thanks! I didn't like knowing the same worry that you guys felt, but I'm glad as can be we both escaped it with our teams in tact. Hopefully we can follow your path on the ice as well!

StrongIslanders90 10-25-2012 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jester9881 (Post 55286983)
The sooner the Islanders have stability the better. Nothing good could have come from waiting any longer.... it takes more time to get an arena built than what is left on the lease anyway.

Time ran out, BK was there with a completed venue. Cut and dry

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jester9881 (Post 55287113)
Seriously... it's like, "I won the lotto? But, I have to also marry this beautiful woman?! Gah..... AND she's a nympho that loves to bake brownies?!"

DAMN YOU KARMAAAAAAA!!! (angrily shakes clenched fist in air)

this

KevFu 10-25-2012 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jester9881 (Post 55287113)
Seriously... it's like, "I won the lotto? But, I have to also marry this beautiful woman?! Gah..... AND she's a nympho that loves to bake brownies?!"

DAMN YOU KARMAAAAAAA!!! (angrily shakes clenched fist in air)

Yeah, but you gotta wait two years to cash in the ticket and get married. Oh, but because of bad planning (we thought she'd be fatter) all she will wear for your marraige are 80s Carol Seaver-style 5XL sweaters.

Jester9881 10-25-2012 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevFu (Post 55287757)
Yeah, but you gotta wait two years to cash in the ticket and get married. Oh, but because of bad planning (we thought she'd be fatter) all she will wear for your marraige are 80s Carol Seaver-style 5XL sweaters.

eh.... I'm easily amused with brownies and copulation.

Islanders1932 10-25-2012 09:47 PM

This is a fantastic read in a best case scenario for the Islanders

http://www.ibtimes.com/sportsnet/new...ll-mean-853323

This article put me in a great mood

PWJunior 10-25-2012 09:48 PM

Reminder, let's be mindful of keeping things appropriate in here. Please remember that there are minors around. Thanks everyone.

trueblue9441 10-25-2012 10:50 PM

does anyone know if the seats in sections 13-19 are retractable at all? or is it all concrete?

Islander102 10-25-2012 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trueblue9441 (Post 55289607)
does anyone know if the seats in sections 13-19 are retractable at all? or is it all concrete?

The bottom 5-8 rows of those sections are retractable, but really, there is nothing they can do with those sections, since the top 15 rows are concrete. Only the sections on the other end are fully retractable.


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