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mouser 10-25-2012 03:29 PM

It's Not About Winning Or Losing. It's About Who Gets The Blame (CBA/Lockout) XVI
 
Carry on, previous thread here:
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1275169

rdawg1234 10-25-2012 03:45 PM

My bet is we get hockey started at Thanksgiving weekend(when NBC's coverage kicks in) it gives enough time for the Winter classic and 24/7. Plus it gives abut a 65-70 game season.

HawksFan74 10-25-2012 03:46 PM

Perfect title.

Krishna 10-25-2012 03:46 PM

Posted by James Mirtle

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle4634609/

Quote:

Noted hockey stats man Tyler Dellow spun some numbers on the proposals over the weekend along these lines and ultimately determined that "we’re talking about an awfully small difference on the team level" that amounts to as little as $2.7-million a season.

Kloparren 10-25-2012 03:47 PM

I agree with Quinn on this point. He's spot on and this league spends way too much time worrying about reducing costs and not enough on improving the product or increasing revenues. For all I know when this returns, GPG is gonna continue to drop and be closer to 5 than it is to 6.

""As far as I can tell there has been no energy devoted in these negotiations to figuring out how to improve the game," Quinn said. "To me, the quality of the game and how it's played and how much entertainment it provides is the thing that makes everybody money. And it's the only thing that makes everybody money. And the people that are given the responsibility for running this game -- both sides -- have not been able to spend enough time on it. To me, that's the greatest tragedy of the whole thing."

I don't really care who gets what % as long as the returning product is improved and they don't even seem to be working on that and likely won't until the summer and only if the whole season gets cancelled like the last time.

Ragamuffin Gunner 10-25-2012 03:48 PM

Jiggy deflected this question in the last thread so I'll ask it again:

Many NHL teams are losing money, which means they have to cut costs. What costs do you (or any pro-NHLPA poster) suggest they cut if they aren't allowed to cut player's salaries?

Krishna 10-25-2012 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ragamuffin Gunner (Post 55278473)
Jiggy deflected this question in the last thread so I'll ask it again:

Many NHL teams are losing money, which means they have to cut costs. What costs do you (or any pro-NHLPA poster) suggest they cut if they aren't allowed to cut player's salaries?

Make the players pay for their own flights and hotels :)

StreetSharks 10-25-2012 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ragamuffin Gunner (Post 55278473)
Jiggy deflected this question in the last thread so I'll ask it again:

Many NHL teams are losing money, which means they have to cut costs. What costs do you (or any pro-NHLPA poster) suggest they cut if they aren't allowed to cut player's salaries?

Excellent question, awaiting the answer.

Chiuozu* 10-25-2012 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdawg1234 (Post 55278381)
My bet is we get hockey started at Thanksgiving weekend(when NBC's coverage kicks in) it gives enough time for the Winter classic and 24/7. Plus it gives abut a 65-70 game season.

The can prepare all they want - it isn't happening.

The NHLPA feels like that gave up massive concessions last time, and now the owners want MORE.

They aren't going to just say "Yes Sir".

With Fehr in the drivers seat, they'll stand pat for an entire year, and we'll lose the season.

This Lockout comes down to the last Lockout and CBA. The NHLPA pretty much blew up last time around, and the players feel they got taken to the cleaners.

That won't happen this time around.

We'll lose a season. This will be made official when the Winter Classic enters the chopping block. The owners will get fed up, and end the entire season.

Fugu 10-25-2012 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ragamuffin Gunner (Post 55278473)
Jiggy deflected this question in the last thread so I'll ask it again:

Many NHL teams are losing money
, which means they have to cut costs. What costs do you (or any pro-NHLPA poster) suggest they cut if they aren't allowed to cut player's salaries?


Which teams and how much?

Deebo 10-25-2012 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krishna (Post 55278403)

I've run the same numbers and reached the same conclusion and its why this is so frustrating to me.

waffledave 10-25-2012 03:53 PM

If the Winter Classic is cancelled, I say Bettman gets fired. The owners are posturing but the league cannot afford to lose the Classic. Hockey is DONE in the US if they lose the momentum they started there.

RedWingsNow* 10-25-2012 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ragamuffin Gunner (Post 55278473)
Jiggy deflected this question in the last thread so I'll ask it again:

Many NHL teams are losing money, which means they have to cut costs. What costs do you (or any pro-NHLPA poster) suggest they cut if they aren't allowed to cut player's salaries?

1. Sell to a businessman who can manage competently.
2. Trade players for picks, sign Minimum wage players.

Fugu 10-25-2012 03:53 PM

Quote:

"This is a standard approach, I think it was done in the NBA in the same way," Fehr told ESPN.com Thursday. "Review the history here: they make a proposal, it's essentially a take it or leave it, we respond on the core economics, they take 10 minutes and say no. They tell all the players if we're agreeable to everything except the Make Whole (provision), including all the stuff that's in there, I can give Gary a telephone call. And then we have made several efforts, including yesterday, to say we're prepared to sit down and negotiate with no pre-conditions. They essentially said 'No.'

"It takes two to negotiate. They seem to be really good at imposing deadlines and issuing ultimatums and having lockouts. It seems to be something they're well-practiced at."
Proskauer Rose scripted lockout.


I'm not sure why anyone of us check in, to be honest. We just check the dates of the NBA offers.

stuffradio 10-25-2012 03:54 PM

Everyone is to blame, even the fans. We shouldn't have gone back to the game in such droves including having record attendance to games. We wouldn't be having another lockout. :)

Honeycutt 10-25-2012 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bob (Post 55278625)
1. Sell to a businessman who can manage competently.
2. Trade players for picks, sign Minimum wage players.


You can't just sign minimum wage because there is a salary floor. Do you understand how the system work in the NHL?

Honeycutt 10-25-2012 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fugu (Post 55278639)
Proskauer Rose scripted lockout.


I'm not sure why anyone of us check in, to be honest. We just check the dates of the NBA offers.

What were the dates of the NBA offers?

RedWingsNow* 10-25-2012 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honeycutt (Post 55278695)
You can't just sign minimum wage because there is a salary floor. Do you understand how the system work in the NHL?

You're one fighting for linkage. Jesus Christ.

Seanahue 10-25-2012 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bob (Post 55278625)
1. Sell to a businessman who can manage competently.
2. Trade players for picks, sign Minimum wage players.

So the answer is to run the team into the ground?

Those players making minimum wage turn into players asking for a big raise VERY quick.

I am pretty sure the answer to all of this isn't "settle for 30th place"

MacOfNiagara 10-25-2012 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiuozu (Post 55278551)
The can prepare all they want - it isn't happening.

The NHLPA feels like that gave up massive concessions last time, and now the owners want MORE.

They aren't going to just say "Yes Sir".

With Fehr in the drivers seat, they'll stand pat for an entire year, and we'll lose the season.

This Lockout comes down to the last Lockout and CBA. The NHLPA pretty much blew up last time around, and the players feel they got taken to the cleaners.

That won't happen this time around.

We'll lose a season. This will be made official when the Winter Classic enters the chopping block. The owners will get fed up, and end the entire season.

Their paychecks doubled in six years (from a whole lot more than any of us would ever make to a whole lot more than any of us would ever make x 2). Any 'whoa is me', or 'we're being treated like animals' statements lose 100% of their credibility in face of that fact.

Iggy77 10-25-2012 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bob (Post 55278625)
1. Sell to a businessman who can manage competently.
2. Trade players for picks, sign Minimum wage players.

And how many tickets do you plan on selling with a team full of minimum wage players.

You think you'll have many happy fans burning jerseys because you just went all cheapskate ?

Honeycutt 10-25-2012 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bob (Post 55278727)
You're one fighting for linkage. Jesus Christ.

I am not fighting for anything. MOD

Also where are all these people who are going to buy a hockey team that is losing money?

RedWingsNow* 10-25-2012 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honeycutt (Post 55278723)
What were the dates of the NBA offers?

It's not the players' job to make sure that every business in the league can compete with NYR and Toronto.

The league needs to take some responsiblity here, too.

Overall, the business is profitable.

Many departments are profitable. Many are on the bubble. Many are losing money.

but overall, the business is profitable.

So how about we correct the problem in a 50/50 manner.

Let's determine how much revenue is needed to help the poor franchises.

The players will go 50 percent of the way. The rich teams can go the other 50 percent.

Instead of the 90/10 proposal being demanded by the owners today

RedWingsNow* 10-25-2012 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honeycutt (Post 55278795)
I am not fighting for anything. MOD

Also where are all these people who are going to buy a hockey team that is losing money?

Put one on the market.
It'lll get snapped up quick. MOD

Honeycutt 10-25-2012 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bob (Post 55278819)
It's not the players' job to make sure that every business in the league can compete with NYR and Toronto.

The league needs to take some responsiblity here, too.

Overall, the business is profitable.

Many departments are profitable. Many are on the bubble. Many are losing money.

but overall, the business is profitable.

So how about we correct the problem in a 50/50 manner.

Let's determine how much revenue is needed to help the poor franchises.

The players will go 50 percent of the way. The rich teams can go the other 50 percent.

Instead of the 90/10 proposal being demanded by the owners today

Do you have a source?


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