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charliolemieux 10-25-2012 11:17 PM

Burke and the 2012-13 lockout.
 
I am starting to wonder if Burke believes there will be no Hockey this year, and that he believed it when he signed players in the summer of 2011?
So many changes after this year. The team is set up for it.

He is a guy who was in the NHL head offices. He would have sources.

When he gave Connolly a 2 year deal did he know he stood a good chance he wouldn't be paying for year 2?

He has spearheaded some of the biggest issues the NHL has with the current CBA.

Did he already understand that the sides were too far apart to play this year?

How will this help the Leafs?

MODS: I understand if this has a short leash.

RogerRoeper* 10-25-2012 11:19 PM

I do not believe Burke planned this at all.

TmlHockeyFan 10-25-2012 11:21 PM

I believe Burke got lucky (or unlucky if he gets fired this year since his contract is ending).

charliolemieux 10-25-2012 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerRoeper (Post 55290297)
I do not believe Burke planned this at all.

You don't think that with MacArthur, Connolly and Bozak he wasn't thiking lockout?

I remember questioning the 2nd year of Connollys deal when he signed.

ITM 10-25-2012 11:25 PM

I firmly believe Burke was aware of the scenario as a real possibility and planned for it accordingly. Listen to enough of his interviews on the cap, on financials in the league and it becomes clear, that his detractors, and those who have acted contrary were a step or two (in identifying the possibility) behind Burke and Co.

Sergei Berezin 10-25-2012 11:27 PM

I think you're looking too hard into things.

Cor 10-25-2012 11:29 PM

I think he planned for it a little more then other GM's..... but he hasn't based his moves off the possibility there could be a lockout.

Can we end this lockout so topics like this don't pop up?

Grant 10-25-2012 11:33 PM

I think he was expecting cap stuff to change, I doubt he was able to predict the lockout however. I think he signed the players with the intention of letting out prospects still develop and knowing their cap hits would be up/close to being up by the time the 2013-2014 season rolls around.

RogerRoeper* 10-25-2012 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charliolemieux (Post 55290425)
You don't think that with MacArthur, Connolly and Bozak he wasn't thiking lockout?

I remember questioning the 2nd year of Connollys deal when he signed.

No. All teams have players' contracts ending yearly.

7even 10-25-2012 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charliolemieux (Post 55290425)
You don't think that with MacArthur, Connolly and Bozak he wasn't thiking lockout?

I remember questioning the 2nd year of Connollys deal when he signed.

If Burke had known the lockout was a sure thing, he wouldn't have bought Armstrong's contract out when he was going into the last year of his deal three months before the lockout.

/thread

charliolemieux 10-25-2012 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sergei Berezin (Post 55290473)
I think you're looking too hard into things.

Oh yeah, I've got the microscope out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cor99 (Post 55290511)
I think he planned for it a little more then other GM's..... but he hasn't based his moves off the possibility there could be a lockout.

Can we end this lockout so topics like this don't pop up?

No we can't. I am sorry but the lockout is not ending anytime soon. :)

So unfortunately as my mind wanders, into some strange places mind you, I find myself thinking of these types of things. :help:

I do appologise if it offends you. But I do love a good conspiracy theory. ;)

mikedumar 10-25-2012 11:38 PM

of course he did ! he has been preaching nonstop of ridiculous contracts and having no part of them !

and..........the leafs roster would tell you !

13 0f 26 players have contracts for 2013 with 10 of them being on their final year and 3 of them only rfa

3 players are on contract for 2014 .. grabo, jvr, liles with 3 rfa

that should be a strong enough indication !

http://capgeek.com/mapleleafs/

RogerRoeper* 10-25-2012 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7even (Post 55290641)
If Burke had known the lockout was a sure thing, he wouldn't have bought Armstrong's contract out when he was going into the last year of his deal three months before the lockout.

/thread

yup.

DaveT83* 10-25-2012 11:38 PM

Burke also created the Mayan Calendar.

mikedumar 10-25-2012 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7even (Post 55290641)
If Burke had known the lockout was a sure thing, he wouldn't have bought Armstrong's contract out when he was going into the last year of his deal three months before the lockout.

/thread

why is that an issue.... it doesnt affect anything ! and like always burke respects players, and gave armstrong time to figure out his career


burke is a players gm time and time again its shown such

Cor 10-25-2012 11:40 PM

I bet Burke is already planning for the next lockout.... we should sign Connolly to a deal the same length as the CBA, then we don't have to use him for the last year again! muahhaha

charliolemieux 10-25-2012 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerRoeper (Post 55290587)
No. All teams have players' contracts ending yearly.

You didn't find it odd that every contract he signed in 2011 ended in 2013?

Cor 10-25-2012 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charliolemieux (Post 55290737)
You didn't find it odd that every contract he signed in 2011 ended in 2013?

You are the weakest link. Goodbye

charliolemieux 10-25-2012 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7even (Post 55290641)
If Burke had known the lockout was a sure thing, he wouldn't have bought Armstrong's contract out when he was going into the last year of his deal three months before the lockout.

/thread

Really?

Armstrong is getting paid right now.

Not may other NHLers are.

mikedumar 10-25-2012 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charliolemieux (Post 55290737)
You didn't find it odd that every contract he signed in 2011 ended in 2013?

its not odd when you listen to what burkes been preaching about.... but as usual leafs fans continue not to truly hear....

nope it had to be some ridiculous other reason why burke would not sign players to inflated contracts ......

humm razors occam applies... and answer is yes he planned it

Cor 10-25-2012 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charliolemieux (Post 55290777)
Really?

Armstrong is getting paid right now.

Not may other NHLers are.

Okay.... that still doesn't explain a thing.

If Burke "knew" there would be a lockout, he wouldn't have bought out Army. As the final year would be gone for nothing.... Buying him out means, we will have to pay another million I believe against our cap next season as well

charliolemieux 10-25-2012 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikedumar (Post 55290679)
of course he did ! he has been preaching nonstop of ridiculous contracts and having no part of them !

and..........the leafs roster would tell you !

13 0f 26 players have contracts for 2013 with 10 of them being on their final year and 3 of them only rfa

3 players are on contract for 2014 .. grabo, jvr, liles with 3 rfa

that should be a strong enough indication !

http://capgeek.com/mapleleafs/

So I am not the only one that sees this.

Leaf Rocket 10-25-2012 11:45 PM

I really doubt that Burke had some hand or anything on, but he did position himself smartly knowing that there would be a change in the CBA. I agree with others you are taking this to a level where it shouldn't be. A lot of the things he did prepare are exactly what the CBA or proposals in the CBAs have been talked about for that I praise him. However I seriously doubt his connections in the NHL from the past would be a sure thing for him to be prepared for a full lockout. Remember he's one general manger among thirty.

mikedumar 10-25-2012 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cor99 (Post 55290815)
Okay.... that still doesn't explain a thing.

If Burke "knew" there would be a lockout, he wouldn't have bought out Army. As the final year would be gone for nothing.... Buying him out means, we will have to pay another million I believe against our cap next season as well

you simply dont get the economics of the sport... stop

Cor 10-25-2012 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikedumar (Post 55290851)
you simply dont get the economics of the sport... stop

Oh really? care to explain?


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