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JetsHomer 10-26-2012 03:00 PM

Zach bogosian
 
Just for fun because I'm bored during the lockout, what would other teams pay for the 22 year old former third overall pick?

Last year he had 30 points in 65 games while averaging over 23 minutes a game

Huffer 10-26-2012 03:28 PM

Zach's a whipping boy on HF so this won't go well.

He was also 25th in even strength points last year, despite only playing 65 games. The only player to play less games and be in the top 25 of even strength points is Letang.

He also had a higher SH TOI/G than PP TOI/G as he was used in a more defensive role. And as Flying High mentioned, ranking 34th in TOI/G at 23:18.

Guy's not going anywhere.

JetsHomer 10-26-2012 03:40 PM

I know he's not going anywhere. But nobody Is with this lockout, so just for fun I'm trying tks figure out what people think about some players

JayRosehillforMVP 10-26-2012 03:42 PM

Simmonds/Read+1st

PayItForward 10-26-2012 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyers7 (Post 55304153)
Simmonds/Read+1st

I'm pretty sure the Jets would easily say no to that.

JayRosehillforMVP 10-26-2012 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PayItForward (Post 55304331)
I'm pretty sure the Jets would easily say no to that.

He's out for 4 months. If anything my offer was an overpayment.

Perro 10-26-2012 03:57 PM

Because I am bored I would do Doughty + for him and Kane. Not sure I would be willing to give what the + would take though.

Bob Barker 10-26-2012 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyers7 (Post 55304441)
He's out for 4 months. If anything my offer was an overpayment.

This is quite ridiculous.

PayItForward 10-26-2012 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyers7 (Post 55304441)
He's out for 4 months. If anything my offer was an overpayment.

And? Is Voracek worth nothing right now? Because as far as I know he's injured ATM (haven't seen any updates on that) and I'd still hope if the Flyers were going to trade him tomorrow they'd get something of worth back for him.

Simmonds and Read don't have near the value that some people want to say they have. I love both of them, but they aren't going to bring back a top pairing d-man for the Flyers. If they were, one of them would be gone already.

Stansfield* 10-26-2012 04:09 PM

If Bogosian's head ever catches up to his body he will become a force. But even if it doesn't, I still see him becoming a Jovanoski-type Dman. I think he'd get a decent return but the Jets are better off keeping him.

Perro 10-26-2012 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PayItForward (Post 55304651)
And? Is Voracek worth nothing right now? Because as far as I know he's injured ATM (haven't seen any updates on that) and I'd still hope if the Flyers were going to trade him tomorrow they'd get something of worth back for him.

Simmonds and Read don't have near the value that some people want to say they have. I love both of them, but they aren't going to bring back a top pairing d-man for the Flyers. If they were, one of them would be gone already.

I have a huge man crush on Simmonds from his LA days, so to me him plus a 1st would be somehting really good. Too bad the flyers don't have someone else's first with a godo chance of being a top ten cause then I think it would be good value.

JayRosehillforMVP 10-26-2012 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PayItForward (Post 55304651)
And? Is Voracek worth nothing right now? Because as far as I know he's injured ATM (haven't seen any updates on that) and I'd still hope if the Flyers were going to trade him tomorrow they'd get something of worth back for him.

Simmonds and Read don't have near the value that some people want to say they have. I love both of them, but they aren't going to bring back a top pairing d-man for the Flyers. If they were, one of them would be gone already.

I never said they would bring back a top pairing defenseman. I said simmonds+ a 1st would bring back an injured top pairing defenseman. But it'd never happen anyway. It's irrelevant, but Voracek is skating again, likely practicing this week.

CSimpson18 10-26-2012 04:39 PM

I would pay alot. Bogosian is awesome. Now that he's no longer in Atlanta he's getting alot more exposure. People are seeing how good he is. The time to trade for him at a discount has passed which is unfortunate (unless you're a jets fan). Excellent player.

edit- For conversation's sake, I'd consider something around Bogosian for Yakupov. I'd probably decline as I want to see just how good Yak is in the NHL but it doesn't seem unreasonable.

PayItForward 10-26-2012 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyers7 (Post 55305215)
I never said they would bring back a top pairing defenseman. I said simmonds+ a 1st would bring back an injured top pairing defenseman. But it'd never happen anyway. It's irrelevant, but Voracek is skating again, likely practicing this week.

Just because Bogosian is injured, it doesn't mean his value is that low. It might not be at an all time high, but there's no way that the Jets would trade him for Read/Simmonds and a 1st.

Bogosian is 22 years old. He has top pairing upside. He's worth a lot, regardless of injury.

wubwubwubwub 10-26-2012 04:58 PM

At worst he will be a multi-tooled #2 DMan, at best he will be in the top group of young DMen with Piet, Karlsson and Doughty. He definitely has the ability if his head really gets to a high level rather than just being average.

King Woodballs 10-26-2012 08:12 PM

I wouldnt give him up cheap thats forsure

JeffMangum 10-26-2012 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyers7 (Post 55304441)
He's out for 4 months. If anything my offer was an overpayment.

Definitely, definitely. A young player with tremendous upside loses value because of an easily curable injury, just because he's out for 4 months. Brilliance.

pdd 10-26-2012 08:57 PM

Kyle Quincey+Teemu Pulkkinen+1st or 2nd pick

JayRosehillforMVP 10-26-2012 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PayItForward (Post 55305697)
Just because Bogosian is injured, it doesn't mean his value is that low. It might not be at an all time high, but there's no way that the Jets would trade him for Read/Simmonds and a 1st.

Bogosian is 22 years old. He has top pairing upside. He's worth a lot, regardless of injury.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jray42 (Post 55311299)
Just stop. Your making us look bad :facepalm:

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva unit zero (Post 55311781)
Kyle Quincey+Teemu Pulkkinen+1st or 2nd pick

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zenith (Post 55311513)
Definitely, definitely. A young player with tremendous upside loses value because of an easily curable injury, just because he's out for 4 months. Brilliance.

It's tounge in cheek. The point is it'd be stupid to trade Bogosian when he's out for an extended time.

LatvianTwist 10-26-2012 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyers7 (Post 55313179)
It's tounge in cheek. The point is it'd be stupid to trade Bogosian when he's out for an extended time.

Then why make an offer at all?

KingBogo 10-26-2012 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zenith (Post 55311513)
Definitely, definitely. A young player with tremendous upside loses value because of an easily curable injury, just because he's out for 4 months. Brilliance.

You forgot to add during a lockout. Come Dec 1 he will already have 3 months of recovery time. If anyone ventures by the the Jet's boards Bogo is easily the # 1 fan favorite ahead of Kane, Buff and Enstrom. Watching him start to breakout last year (with a chronic wrist injury that has bothered him for years and is now corrected) I have no doubt in a couple years he will be discussed among the best of the d-man class of 2008.

Seanahue 10-26-2012 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyers7 (Post 55304441)
He's out for 4 months. If anything my offer was an overpayment.

Keep the overpayment.

ColePens 10-26-2012 11:21 PM

Agree with everyone saying to just keep him. There just won't be enough value going back.

bluemandan 10-27-2012 12:20 AM

Prior to the draft, Bogosian struck me as similar to Eric Brewer. All the tools, questionable toolbox.

Is this a fair assessment of Bogosian so far? I don't get to see many Thrashers/Jets games, so I don't have an accurate read on him. Can he play the left side?

YWGinYYZ 10-27-2012 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluemandan (Post 55315587)
Prior to the draft, Bogosian struck me as similar to Eric Brewer. All the tools, questionable toolbox.

Is this a fair assessment of Bogosian so far? I don't get to see many Thrashers/Jets games, so I don't have an accurate read on him. Can he play the left side?

He picked up a new toolbox last year - I think Huddy helped him select it. ;)

Seriously: he made great strides in his game last year, and is showed the promise that a high draft pick D-man should. I wouldn't trade him unless it were a serious overpayment, which rarely happens.


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