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coolasprICE 10-26-2012 07:44 PM

The NHL approaching uncharted territory
 
(also see poll.)

With a potential of 2 cancelled seasons since 2004, never has there been this much at risk.

If there is a cancellation (And the list goes on and I'm sure many of you can think of far more issues);

  1. They can't grow the game this year.
  2. If I'm not mistaken, this is a 1st for any ''professional sports league'' in North America to cancel this consecutively. This creates a mockery of a league already struggling to be relevant and considered in many of its markets.
  3. Many fans are very bitter and angry, many casual fans will be lost. Can this possibly end-up being positive?
  4. Increase risk losing players for good, especially foreign superstars. Ovechkin et al.
  5. Risk of falling off the map in certain u.s markets
    etc
    etc.


Of course, both sides are adamant that what they are doing is for the best of the game and the future of the NHL

As a side poll, I'm asking: As a result of this year, will the NHL have more or less support in the near future?

edit; I should of read through my poll - I really want to know, will the league as we know it be better or worse off in the future.

jumptheshark 10-26-2012 08:04 PM

As a canadian I will come back. Fair weather fans will always be fair weather fans. Hockey fans are unique fans and we always come back. We are glutten for punishment

wilty00 10-26-2012 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jumptheshark (Post 55310193)
As a canadian I will come back. Fair weather fans will always be fair weather fans. Hockey fans are unique fans and we always come back. We are glutten for punishment

Basically this.

Until another league (one on this continent, preferably) pops up... I'll be back. I'll have a different opinion of some players on a personal and professional level but I'm not going to just stop watching them. I love the game too much.

Killion 10-26-2012 08:13 PM

Far less, and a steep hill to climb in winning back the loyalties of fans' & sponsors. Every game, with 326 lost, cancelled & counting as of this date another rung on the ladder they'll have to step up to in climbing out of the hole their digging for themselves.

MarkhamNHL 10-26-2012 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by wilty00 (Post 55310435)
Basically this.

Until another league (one on this continent, preferably) pops up... I'll be back. I'll have a different opinion of some players on a personal and professional level but I'm not going to just stop watching them. I love the game too much.

well if players keep having salary rollbacks... the KHL becomes more and more viable... maybe to the point where they put some teams here... quebec / hamilton / markham (pending arena) to start with

or another WHA scenario maybe start out with 6-8 teams...

coolasprICE 10-26-2012 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkhamNHL (Post 55310657)
well if players keep having salary rollbacks... the KHL becomes more and more viable... maybe to the point where they put some teams here... quebec / hamilton / markham (pending arena) to start with

or another WHA scenario maybe start out with 6-8 teams...

Once upon a time this talk would be ridiculous. If a 2nd cancelation takes place, this talk is to be expected.

MarkhamNHL 10-26-2012 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by coolasprICE (Post 55310939)
Once upon a time this talk would be ridiculous. If a 2nd cancelation takes place, this talk is to be expected.

at one time yes... but the KHL is now a serious contender for talent, any if they decide to expand to NA and the pay is better ???? and I believe I heard a scenario where they can get themselves based out of russia and get half their salary tax free and declare the rest here.

DL44 10-26-2012 08:35 PM

I will watch when they come back because what system they come back should be outstanding for the stability and competition level of the league.... but i will be wishing financial harm to all involved.

Hoping the players lose another full of salary - despite how sad it for many players in their primes to be missing out on a peak performance yr of their careers. For many, potentially effecting their chance for their 'set-for-life' prime contract.

And when they do come back, may revenues force a big depression of salaries which lasts the life of the CBA. That should kill incentives to have any work stoppages for the next 15 yrs just like the strike did for baseball....

Fehr's brilliant negotiating skills and leadership didn't acheive labor peace in baseball... the damage his strike caused for the sport did. BOTH sides are pretty damn motivated to keep the peace.

ChillyPalmer 10-26-2012 09:05 PM

The most incompetent, poorly run league in North America.

Interest in The States doesn't usually start until the playoffs anyways.

Canadian's will always come back though.

kdb209 10-26-2012 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkhamNHL (Post 55310657)
well if players keep having salary rollbacks... the KHL becomes more and more viable... maybe to the point where they put some teams here... quebec / hamilton / markham (pending arena) to start with

or another WHA scenario maybe start out with 6-8 teams...

Given that the KHL had two games scheduled at Barclays in January and just cancelled them - it doesn't appear they are very interested.

MarkhamNHL 10-26-2012 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kdb209 (Post 55314209)
Given that the KHL had two games scheduled at Barclays in January and just cancelled them - it doesn't appear they are very interested.

i wouldn't take that to mean anything

Lacaar 10-26-2012 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkhamNHL (Post 55314323)
i wouldn't take that to mean anything

If the owners win a 75% share you could perhaps start a conversation.

For now you're just another NHLPA shrill trying to spread fear with what's honestly a lame argument.

Lastbtime they took a pay cut their salary growth kicked the living tar out of the khl salary growth.

Krishna 10-26-2012 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkhamNHL (Post 55310657)
well if players keep having salary rollbacks... the KHL becomes more and more viable... maybe to the point where they put some teams here... quebec / hamilton / markham (pending arena) to start with

or another WHA scenario maybe start out with 6-8 teams...

Honestly, I never see the KHL extending into the US.. There's already a huge travel schedule and adding NA to the mix just makes it become even more ridiculous than it already is.

Prague to Khabrovsk, which are the two farthest teams from each other, are about 6200 miles apart. Prague to Montreal is 3700 miles and Khabarovsk to montreal is about 5700 miles. That's pretty much undoable for a league unless they establish a division that only plays within itself in NA

Fordy 10-26-2012 11:17 PM

MOD The NHL's prestige and notoriety elsewhere will be permanently harmed, though.

MarkhamNHL 10-26-2012 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Krishna (Post 55314649)
Honestly, I never see the KHL extending into the US.. There's already a huge travel schedule and adding NA to the mix just makes it become even more ridiculous than it already is.

Prague to Khabrovsk, which are the two farthest teams from each other, are about 6200 miles apart. Prague to Montreal is 3700 miles and Khabarovsk to montreal is about 5700 miles. That's pretty much undoable for a league unless they establish a division that only plays within itself in NA

I don't think they'd go to the US.. but in Canada where they know the game is an easy sell and there are markets dying to get a team... it's a long shot, but you never know

Krishna 10-26-2012 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkhamNHL (Post 55314733)
I don't think they'd go to the US.. but in Canada where they know the game is an easy sell and there are markets dying to get a team... it's a long shot, but you never know

They would probably have to establish a division in NA with more than 8 teams to play each other without the ridiculous travel. I don't think all of them would work in canada as much as some posters like to think. So they would have to extend into the US.

But at this point, it's all a pipe dreams that's more than likely 10 or so years out

MarkhamNHL 10-26-2012 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Krishna (Post 55314857)
They would probably have to establish a division in NA with more than 8 teams to play each other without the ridiculous travel. I don't think all of them would work in canada as much as some posters like to think. So they would have to extend into the US.

But at this point, it's all a pipe dreams that's more than likely 10 or so years out

i think they could start with 3-5 teams those teams could play within themselves a few times the all go to europe for a few weeks. when they come back a few russian teams come over and play the NA teams.they just do it in batches. hell look at the AHL. they have teams playing games consecutive nights against the same opponent. so it's not that far a stretch to work out logistically.

Crede777 10-26-2012 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ChillyPalmer (Post 55312041)
The most incompetent, poorly run league in North America.

I used to play competitive paintball. THOSE were the most incompetent, poorly run leagues in America. Then again, it's an amateur sport.

Krishna 10-26-2012 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkhamNHL (Post 55314933)
i think they could start with 3-5 teams those teams could play within themselves a few times the all go to europe for a few weeks. when they come back a few russian teams come over and play the NA teams.they just do it in batches. hell look at the AHL. they have teams playing games consecutive nights against the same opponent. so it's not that far a stretch to work out logistically.

I didn't even think about the group going overseas at the same time,, Though I think they'd have a lot of off days on both sides due to jetlag and whatnot

MarkhamNHL 10-26-2012 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Krishna (Post 55314955)
I didn't even think about the group going overseas at the same time,, Though I think they'd have a lot of off days on both sides due to jetlag and whatnot

yeah, probably a lot more back to back games than NHL would see for sure... I wonder how eager the KHL would be to squat in the NHL's back yard ? especially in light of player transfer agreement issues in the past...

DuklaNation 10-26-2012 11:56 PM

If the fans continue their sheep act, why would this be a surprise? They can cancel another season and they still assume the fans will come back. They're probably right. At this point, I hope they cancel another season. They all dont seem to give a **** so why should I?

leesmith 10-26-2012 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jumptheshark (Post 55310193)
As a canadian I will come back. Fair weather fans will always be fair weather fans. Hockey fans are unique fans and we always come back. We are glutten for punishment

Obviously, the same holds true for Columbus fans.

leesmith 10-26-2012 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChillyPalmer (Post 55312041)
The most incompetent, poorly run league in North America.

Interest in The States doesn't usually start until the playoffs anyways.

Canadian's will always come back though.

That's not true. Interest in the States actually starts around Christmas. :sarcasm:

Timmy 10-27-2012 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MarkhamNHL (Post 55311103)
at one time yes... but the KHL is now a serious contender for talent, any if they decide to expand to NA and the pay is better ???? and I believe I heard a scenario where they can get themselves based out of russia and get half their salary tax free and declare the rest here.


Does anyone have any stats on the current salary of the average KHL team versus the salary of an NHL team under the proposed (now withdrawn) NHL offer?

Krishna 10-27-2012 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 55315977)
Does anyone have any stats on the current salary of the average KHL team versus the salary of an NHL team under the proposed (now withdrawn) NHL offer?

Well the current KHL cap is 39 million..

Pretty obvious which one offers more


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