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Cogburn 10-26-2012 11:51 PM

Schneider to Edmonton
 
Let's keep things clean here.

Unverified reports have Edmonton in the Luongo game, and Edmonton fans have said he doesn't fit the plan of the Oilers, or the youth of their core. Schneider has a few years on the Oilers kids, but he should show the consistent play he has through every level of every league he's played in.

Let's avoid the name calling, the comparisons of Dubnyk to Schneider and the double standards on potential and experience.

Hemsky+ is what I would be asking, and unless things have changed, that value is highly contested.

Vankiller Whale 10-26-2012 11:56 PM

Yakupov
Hemsky
Gagner
1st
Klefbom
MPS
Marincin

All stuff I'd be interested in. Us having to add for Yakupov, obviously, but without him it would probably take 2-3 of the other pieces with maybe a minor piece from us as well.

Oh, and I may as well say it: Justin Schultz:naughty:

Lundface 10-26-2012 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cogburn (Post 55315219)
Let's keep things clean here.

Unverified reports have Edmonton in the Luongo game, and Edmonton fans have said he doesn't fit the plan of the Oilers, or the youth of their core. Schneider has a few years on the Oilers kids, but he should show the consistent play he has through every level of every league he's played in.

Let's avoid the name calling, the comparisons of Dubnyk to Schneider and the double standards on potential and experience.

Hemsky+ is what I would be asking, and unless things have changed, that value is highly contested.

Unless they overpay, no interest in handing them Schneider. He could turn them from offensive juggernaut to legitimate threat...Id rather not help them with that

Cogburn 10-27-2012 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Lundface (Post 55315337)
Unless they overpay, no interest in handing them Schneider. He could turn them from offensive juggernaut to legitimate threat...Id rather not help them with that

I doubt we'd be able to all agree on a deal for one of the young 4, but "handing" Schneider would never be part of my plan, I'd want market value. A great young goaltender, on a great contract, that would help a young team...I've mistyped if I gave the impression that I was proposing charity:laugh:

Cogburn 10-27-2012 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 55315301)
Oh, and I may as well say it: Justin Schultz:naughty:

Oh please, we never wanted Schultz!:sarcasm:

Shawnathon 10-27-2012 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 55315301)
Yakupov
Hemsky
Gagner
1st
Klefbom
MPS
Marincin

All stuff I'd be interested in. Us having to add for Yakupov, obviously, but without him it would probably take 2-3 of the other pieces with maybe a minor piece from us as well.

Oh, and I may as well say it: Justin Schultz:naughty:

No chance you ever get Yakupov and Klefbom for Luongo. Probably not for Schneider either.

Vankiller Whale 10-27-2012 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnathon (Post 55315781)
No chance you ever get Yakupov and Klefbom for Luongo. Probably not for Schneider either.

Which is why I said we'd have to add to Schneider to get Yakupov, but if he isn't involved it would take two-to three of the other assets.

Shawnathon 10-27-2012 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 55315817)
Which is why I said we'd have to add to Schneider to get Yakupov, but if he isn't involved it would take two-to three of the other assets.

Can't see a trade between Edmonton and Vancouver going down regardless of what rumors say.

ProstheticConscience 10-27-2012 01:00 AM

Oh.

Oh oh oh.

Schneider to Edmonton? Edmonton? Yeah, that's big 4 territory. Assuming we ever have NHL games again.

Taelin 10-27-2012 01:07 AM

Haven't us Canucks fan learned anything from the Luongo thread?

Luongo is old and past his prime.

Schneider is inexperienced.

Both our goalies suck! :sarcasm:

OilGuns 10-27-2012 01:10 AM

Honestly this thread is going to turn out bad, some oiler fans are going to argue that Schnieder isn't proven that much due to him having not started as many games in the NHL to be consistent, and Canuck fans will believe that we should trade our #1 pick + Eberle or something as I have seen from your main board. Also why can't we compare Dubnyk to Schneider, they are both right now the future starters for each franchise I know how much some of you can get riled up and don't like to hear things ( such as your mod warning in the Luongo thread), but to play along I do believe Schneider is a good goalie and i would be ecstatic to get him but I wouldn't be willing to give up Schultz (we need him bad), Eberle, RNH, Hall, or Yakupov, Call me crazy but that's just how I see it.

Soundwave 10-27-2012 01:15 AM

Yakupov is not on the table. Just because he's the newest of the big 4 doesn't mean he holds the least value or that Edmonton would just give him away, he very easily could be better than Hall or Eberle.

He's scoring at a higher rate in the KHL at age 18 than Ovy or Malkin were in Russian pro leagues at the same age. You don't trade a no.1 pick like this without letting him even play a game for you unless he's pulling a Lindros.

Also Schneider took some pot shots at the Oilers, not sure if the Oilers have forgotten about that.

I would be open to the idea of Luongo in Edmonton, but it depends a lot on what the price would be, I like the guy, but my guess is Toronto will offer more than Edmonton is willing to go to.

And also yeah, given that we're in the same division I don't see the two GMs dealing much.

Lucbourdon 10-27-2012 01:17 AM

Why in the blue moon would we want hemsky?

OilGuns 10-27-2012 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucbourdon (Post 55316075)
Why in the blue moon would we want hemsky?

Exactly, and I'm sure that shows that that's what the oilers would be willing to give up and maybe a first +. That said some Canucks will feel that anything but one of the big five and picks would be necessary, and Oiler fans will be laughing.

Cogburn 10-27-2012 01:25 AM

To Oilguns, we are far apart, but I still have faith we can keep things civil. Also, big 5? I know the four, is Schultz the 5? Or the Oilers pick? Sorry, I've been out of Oiler affairs for awhile now.

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Originally Posted by Soundwave (Post 55316057)
I would be open to the idea of Luongo in Edmonton, but it depends a lot on what the price would be, I like the guy, but my guess is Toronto will offer more than Edmonton is willing to go to.

Make an offer, I'm happy to hear it, if it doesn't work, we move on.

Lucbourdon: He is a play making winger with some speed and more then some skill. Injuries are a risk, but then again, Kesler and Booth have also missed time, and we haven't lessened their value substantially. Ideally, Hemsky would be bigger and less injury prone, but then, why would Edmonton offer him?

CSimpson18 10-27-2012 01:26 AM

Oiler fans, not unlike every other fanbase on HF, will not give up what Van would want for Schneider. Especially not with Dubnyk's solid performance in the last half of the year. Trade Luongo. Also, expect to be disappointed in the return.

Vankiller Whale 10-27-2012 01:27 AM

I would do Luongo for Hemsky + 1st.

For Schneider I would fight to the bitter end to package him for one of the big 4, but if Luongo doesn't generate much of an alternative I might settle for lesser assets.

thadd 10-27-2012 01:30 AM

Edmonton isn't in the market for a goalie. We're happy with Dubnyk and we've got another year of Bulinwall.

Back in 94 10-27-2012 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 55316195)
I would do Luongo for Hemsky + 1st.

For Schneider I would fight to the bitter end to package him for one of the big 4, but if Luongo doesn't generate much of an alternative I might settle for lesser assets.

I like that deal as a Van fan, what do Oiler fans think?

Soundwave 10-27-2012 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Cogburn (Post 55316165)
To Oilguns, we are far apart, but I still have faith we can keep things civil. Also, big 5? I know the four, is Schultz the 5? Or the Oilers pick? Sorry, I've been out of Oiler affairs for awhile now.



Make an offer, I'm happy to hear it, if it doesn't work, we move on.

Schultz would the fifth guy of the core group, yeah.

For Luongo I'd be open to Hemsky or MPS + a 1st (2013 or 2014 *but* it would be the Oilers choice) only with the pre-condition that his family (ahem wife) is OK with a harder brand of Canadian winter, lol.

Not all Oiler fans will agree with me on this though. I think he will end up in Toronto when all's said and done.

Bourne Endeavor 10-27-2012 01:37 AM

Big four or bust as far as I'm concerned, but I preface this by saying Edmonton has no reason to chase Schneider now.

Hemsky + 1st for Luongo is intriguing though, even if I have mixed feelings toward Hemsky.

sully1410 10-27-2012 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ProstheticConscience (Post 55315925)
Oh.

Oh oh oh.

Schneider to Edmonton? Edmonton? Yeah, that's big 4 territory. Assuming we ever have NHL games again.

That's what I was thinking as well.

That being said, I'd go for Hemsky, MPS + 1st.

Obviously Van would add.

ProstheticConscience 10-27-2012 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by sully1410 (Post 55316327)
That's what I was thinking as well.

That being said, I'd go for Hemsky, MPS + 1st.

Obviously Van would add.

And obviously Van laughs. Yeah, lock 'er up. Nothing good can come from this.

OilGuns 10-27-2012 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cogburn (Post 55316165)
To Oilguns, we are far apart, but I still have faith we can keep things civil. Also, big 5? I know the four, is Schultz the 5? Or the Oilers pick? Sorry, I've been out of Oiler affairs for awhile now.

Make an offer, I'm happy to hear it, if it doesn't work, we move on.

I think we would have to MAYBE give up one of the big four, more likely a guy like hemsky, MPS and our first pick. I agree that's what it should be ( big four ) I might be picking things we don't have yet with Schultz but I feel he will be good Anyways seeing him putting up large numbers in the AHL right now. Back on topic I would think one of our core offensive guys except RNH + for Schieder +. I just see no way in hell we would give one of them up right now unless It was a great center or a very good #1 defensemen or even a elite young goalie. I just don't feel Scheider has shown me enough to be that YET, but I'd be happy to eat my words though.

Bold shows what I'm talking about.

Vankiller Whale 10-27-2012 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ProstheticConscience (Post 55316349)
And obviously Van laughs. Yeah, lock 'er up. Nothing good can come from this.

If you don't like it, ignore it. Personally I could use a change from talking about Bozak, Frattin, Lombardi, etc.


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