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Kirk- NEHJ 10-29-2012 05:51 PM

Bruins Board 2013 NHL Draft Thread
 
In honor of Tyler Hill (Hotchkiss) getting rostered by the USHL's Chicago Steel last week and an interview today with WHL center Curtis Lazar, thought this could be the thread where we finally dedicate our discussion to the 2013 NHL Entry Draft.

Seth Jones, Nathan MacKinnon and Sean Monahan headline the class, but in what is shaping up to be a deep, deep class (Craig Button likened it to 2003 on Twitter yesterday), there is plenty of quality to be had.

A quick around-the-world:

WHL: Once again, the Dub produces a bumper crop on 'D' but there are some high-end forwards too- Hunter Shinkaruk and Curtis Lazar are legit.

Seth Jones, D- Portland Son of former NBA player Popeye Jones and the only serious threat to Nathan MacKinnon for 1st overall in June. Late '94 who could have challenged Nail for top pick a year ago- he's that good as a potential No. 1 with size, skating, offense and defense- complete package. Should be a fun ride!

Ryan Pulock, D- Brandon Another late '94 who is 6-1 and already has an NHL shot. Good skater who could get better, but improving his defensive game.

Hunter Shinkaruk, LW- Medicine Hat Smallish forward can dangle and create...an explosive and dynamic scorer who can make magic from the mundane on offense.

Curtis Lazar, C- Edmonton Not the biggest cat, or the most skilled (though he is fast and skilled)- but his compete levels are off the charts. His coach said "If he can't get around you, then he'll go through you, and love every minute of it." Liked what I saw on video at Memorial Cup and at Hlinka tourney, but think the world of this kid because he has the intangibles to go with the talent.

OHL: Longshot to produce another top overall selection, but once again OHL is talent rich and if there is a guy to grab top billing, it is Monahan.

Won't go into much detail here in OHL to let others weigh in... So this is a sparse account of what is, once again, a deep crop with Zadorov, Kujawinski, Rychel, Baptiste, Martin, Subban, Baptiste, Silk, etc. in the mix.

Sean Monahan, C- Ottawa Top-flight center is skilled and has great hockey sense. No major flaws in his game and his game is progressing by leaps and bounds. Like Jones is a late (Oct) '94 who is benefiting from OHL experience.

Max Domi and Bo Horvat, C- London It's rare to have two draft eligible centermen on the same team vying for top-15 consideration but that's what you essentially get with Horvat and Domi. Son of Tie is the polar opposite of his old man in terms of playing style, while Horvat is gritty, determined guy who plays his best when the game is on the line. One is skilled and flashy, the other more of a lunchpail type, but both proving indispensable for the Knights.

Darnell Nurse, D- Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds' top OHL pick is tall, rangy and has a ton of potential. At 6-4 is a stringbean but can skate and plays with an edge. He's not quite there, but if you look at where he could be in another 3-4 years and are willing to accept a little risk with your draft pick, payoff could be huge.

QMJHL: It's the Nathan MacKinnon and Jonathan Drouin show in Halifax...and don't forget Zachary Fucale, who is only the best goalie in the draft, too. Can you say Memorial Cup?

Nathan MacKinnon, C- Halifax Best player to come out of the 'Q' since Sidney Crosby and has comparable skills and creativity. Don't like the whispers about ego and work ethic, but there is simply no denying that this kid is a major league talent who is ready to break out on the big stage.

Jonathan Drouin, LW- Halifax Game-breaker. Snipeshow. All of the above. When skating with MacKinnon, who can stop him? Answer: Not many.

Anthony Duclair, LW- Quebec Another top offensive talent coming out of the Q. Very fast, dynamic and dangerous. Consistency a bit of an issue with him and won't be very big at an average 6-ft or so.

Adam Erne, RW- Quebec Top-ranked New England native is from Connecticut. Bull in a china shop scored 4 goals the other night, so he has offensive upside to go with a power forward package. Needs to keep putting the points up, but looks to be on his way.

U.S. NCAA/jrs/HS/prep: Good, solid quality down the line between USHL, EJHL Mich/Minn/NY/NE high schools and prep schools.

Tyler Hill, RW- Hotchkiss At 6-6, 225 pounds manchild won't turn 18 until April and has skill to boot. Will split time in prep and in the USHL which could boost his draft stock. Will need to dominate at Hotchkiss, though. Not yet committed, but leaning towards the Ivy League with Harvard and Cornell rumored to lead the pack. From Ontario, but dual-citizen so eligible for Team USA as well.

J.T. Compher, C- U.S. NTDP Well-rounded player can do it all. Average size, but high-end hockey sense, drive and good skills. Dedicated, two-way forward whose feet never stop moving. Character guy who will go ahead of a few players with better skill because of the heart and character.

Ryan Fitzgerald, C- Valley Jr. Warriors Tom's oldest son is a slick playmaker whose stock is rising after earning MVP honors at the All-American Prospects Game. Late '94 who led Malden Catholic to 2 consecutive D1 Super 8 titles with Brendan Collier. Not a blazing skater, but so smart and adept at creating scoring chances out of nothing. BC recruit.

Hudson Fasching, RW- U.S. NTDP The "Apple Valley Assassin" has size, skating, shot and sense- just needs the spirit (drive, consistency) in his game or else he'd be a top-15 guy right now. When on his game, he's a top power forward who can beat you a variety of ways, but the light doesn't always go on.

Ian McCoshen, D- Waterloo Offensive upside a question, but he's got size, can skate and should be a nice shutdown defender at highest level. Plays an effective, mistake-free game.

Europe: Another great year for Sweden, plus Finland, Russia have some impressive players too. 2013 WJC will be fun

Elias Lindholm, C- Brynas- You run out of superlatives pretty fast to describe this playmaking center who has everything you want: speed, skill, sense, passion, leadership. Only average-sized, but he's drawing comparisons already to top Swedish talents in history.

Rasmus Ristolainen, D- TPS Turku Speedy, aggressive offensive d-man has already played in the WJC and will be even better this time around. Sees the ice beautifully and runs the PP like a seasoned vet.

Aleksander 'Sasha' Barkov, C- Tampere Finnish son of former Russian who starred in SM-Liiga. 6-2 frame with soft hands makes him a dangerous scorer with high-end upside if he can maximize his natural gifts. At times, reminds me of Joel Armia and not in a good way, so will have to ramp up the intensity to stay in a potential top-5 draft position come June.

Jacob de la Rose, C- Leksand Big kid isn't the greatest skater in terms of explosiveness and top gear, but compensates with intelligence and effort/intensity. A natural leader who does all the little things, but lack of offensive upside may drop him as season goes on.

Pavel Buchnevich, RW- Cherepovets Skilled Russian plays the off-wing and fits the mold- dangerous with the puck with speed and dynamic element. Intensity also wavers from shift to shift, but when on, easily a top-15 talent. There's the usual risk involved with taking Russians early with this kid, but also the large reward. Detroit or Washington on draft day?

OK- that's it. Not meant to be a comprehensive list, but just to whet the appetite. Hope folks can add to the discussion and populate with more players as you see them and can provide analysis. Tougher for me to see the New England guys this year, but have a few scouting trips planned.

A few sleepers who aren't maybe tracking as well in the open discussion:

Eddie Ellis, C Phillips-Andover Love his creativity and attitude. Typical prep player who is going to need considerable development, but the Harvard-bound Ellis should be getting more love in the draft than he is.

Teemu Kivilhalme, D- Burnsville (Minn) H.S. Mobile defender stood out on video at the Hlinka. Very good skater with smooth footwork- makes it look easy. Crisp puck mover. Not flashy but solid and efficient.

Bogdan Yakimov, C- Novokuznetsk Late '94 is already 6-4, 225. Unfortunately, he skates like it too. But, he's got a big shot and puts forth the effort. Worth a look in the later rounds even with the risky Russian tag.

Mods- please sticky if you feel worthy...

Kelly23 10-29-2012 06:08 PM

Hopefully we win a lottery like thay had in 04-05 and get Seth Jones

Montecristo 10-29-2012 06:14 PM

The Bs have had good luck going to the OHL the past few years. Wouldn't be surprised if Darnell nurse gets a look. He might be around in the 20s where the Bs should be picking. Another couple guys I like for the bruins is Max Domi if he slides or josh morrissey.

If they didn't already have grizz, warsofsky and krug I'd mention the final subban but that would be over redundant

Dom - OHL 10-29-2012 08:43 PM

Awesome !! And finally some real hockey news to talk about. I'll throw a little OHL stuff out there

Sean Monahan Enough said. Probably the most complete player in the draft

Jason Dickinson Guelph Storm. Remember this name. Is already climbing on every chart I've seen. I already have him in the top 10 OHL players available and he'll go higher.

Jordan Subban I labelled him the best Subban as long as a year ago. And he's showing to be all that and more. Size will be his downfall.

Darnell Nurse Exactly what Kirk said. Sometimes he looks like a Dougie Hamilton lite out there. The potential with this kid is off the charts

Kerby Rychel Dropping in some people's opinions. Lacks consistency. Unable to create offense for himself. Loss of Khokhlachev has hurt him. But with the right linemate, and if he gets somewhat consistent, could pop 50 goals in this year

Spencer Martin IMO the best goalie available from the OHL. Getting lots of playing time (9 of 14 games) and trails only Jordan Binnington in both GAA and SV%. May get a challenge from Alex Fotinos of Barrie.

Nikita Zadorov Probably the premier shut down d. Limited quality minutes behind Harrington and Maatta so its hard to tell what his offense could become. Has shown flashes. Good strong skater for his size.

Sergey Tolchinsky The Soo Greyhounds forward shows he's capable of producing. Excellent playmaker who can score on his own too. Also climbing fast. Needs work on the defensive end.

Dominik Kahun Of the Sudbury Wolves. See Sergey Tolchinsky

Baptiste and Silk Being out shined by teammate Kahun. Was higher on both in the pre season. Both have dropped a little IMO but not by much

Zach Nastasiuk Known as Nasty by his teammates and he plays just like it. Nothing will get in his way and can put up points. Thrill to watch. Too bad he's out with an injury right now.

Love how deep this draft is. Love the amount of power forwards there are. Defense isn't as strong as last year but some top quality guys available and plenty of goalies trying to carve their niche out there.

Going to be difficult to rank these guys at the end of the year so I think we are going to see so many different charts.

2003 ?? In the end, I think not only could this rival it, but it could actually top it. Only time will tell

Time to stop rambling :)

Oh and I agree: can we get a sticky ??

Ratty 10-29-2012 08:53 PM

What is the possible scenario for the Bruins pick if the lockout is permanent for 2012-2013? A lottery like 2004 weighted to where the teams finished in 2011-2012?

Dom - OHL 10-29-2012 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ratty (Post 55385863)
What is the possible scenario for the Bruins pick if the lockout is permanent for 2012-2013? A lottery like 2004 weighted to where the teams finished in 2011-2012?

each team started with three balls. For every playoff appearance in the last three years or No. 1 overall pick over the last four years, a team lost one ball. But each team was still guaranteed to have one ball in the lottery. From there it was snaked : 30th picked 31st, 29 picked 32nd and so on

Shaun 10-29-2012 09:14 PM

opinions on Ryan Kujawinski?

Mancini0518 10-29-2012 09:34 PM

Kirk, What type of Russian factor does Barkov come with? Ive seen a lot of video on him and I'm impressed to say the least.

loozer 10-30-2012 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mancini0518 (Post 55387035)
Kirk, What type of Russian factor does Barkov come with? Ive seen a lot of video on him and I'm impressed to say the least.

He's Finnish, so most likely not an issue. He played for Finland in the last WJC.

So most likely not an issue unless there is something I don't know about.

ODAAT 10-30-2012 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kirk- NEHJ (Post 55381051)
In honor of Tyler Hill (Hotchkiss) getting rostered by the USHL's Chicago Steel last week and an interview today with WHL center Curtis Lazar, thought this could be the thread where we finally dedicate our discussion to the 2013 NHL Entry Draft.

Seth Jones, Nathan MacKinnon and Sean Monahan headline the class, but in what is shaping up to be a deep, deep class (Craig Button likened it to 2003 on Twitter yesterday), there is plenty of quality to be had.

A quick around-the-world:

WHL: Once again, the Dub produces a bumper crop on 'D' but there are some high-end forwards too- Hunter Shinkaruk and Curtis Lazar are legit.

Seth Jones, D- Portland Son of former NBA player Popeye Jones and the only serious threat to Nathan MacKinnon for 1st overall in June. Late '94 who could have challenged Nail for top pick a year ago- he's that good as a potential No. 1 with size, skating, offense and defense- complete package. Should be a fun ride!

Ryan Pulock, D- Brandon Another late '94 who is 6-1 and already has an NHL shot. Good skater who could get better, but improving his defensive game.

Hunter Shinkaruk, LW- Medicine Hat Smallish forward can dangle and create...an explosive and dynamic scorer who can make magic from the mundane on offense.

Curtis Lazar, C- Edmonton Not the biggest cat, or the most skilled (though he is fast and skilled)- but his compete levels are off the charts. His coach said "If he can't get around you, then he'll go through you, and love every minute of it." Liked what I saw on video at Memorial Cup and at Hlinka tourney, but think the world of this kid because he has the intangibles to go with the talent.

OHL: Longshot to produce another top overall selection, but once again OHL is talent rich and if there is a guy to grab top billing, it is Monahan.

Won't go into much detail here in OHL to let others weigh in... So this is a sparse account of what is, once again, a deep crop with Zadorov, Kujawinski, Rychel, Baptiste, Martin, Subban, Baptiste, Silk, etc. in the mix.

Sean Monahan, C- Ottawa Top-flight center is skilled and has great hockey sense. No major flaws in his game and his game is progressing by leaps and bounds. Like Jones is a late (Oct) '94 who is benefiting from OHL experience.

Max Domi and Bo Horvat, C- London It's rare to have two draft eligible centermen on the same team vying for top-15 consideration but that's what you essentially get with Horvat and Domi. Son of Tie is the polar opposite of his old man in terms of playing style, while Horvat is gritty, determined guy who plays his best when the game is on the line. One is skilled and flashy, the other more of a lunchpail type, but both proving indispensable for the Knights.

Darnell Nurse, D- Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds' top OHL pick is tall, rangy and has a ton of potential. At 6-4 is a stringbean but can skate and plays with an edge. He's not quite there, but if you look at where he could be in another 3-4 years and are willing to accept a little risk with your draft pick, payoff could be huge.

QMJHL: It's the Nathan MacKinnon and Jonathan Drouin show in Halifax...and don't forget Zachary Fucale, who is only the best goalie in the draft, too. Can you say Memorial Cup?

Nathan MacKinnon, C- Halifax Best player to come out of the 'Q' since Sidney Crosby and has comparable skills and creativity. Don't like the whispers about ego and work ethic, but there is simply no denying that this kid is a major league talent who is ready to break out on the big stage.

Jonathan Drouin, LW- Halifax Game-breaker. Snipeshow. All of the above. When skating with MacKinnon, who can stop him? Answer: Not many.

Anthony Duclair, LW- Quebec Another top offensive talent coming out of the Q. Very fast, dynamic and dangerous. Consistency a bit of an issue with him and won't be very big at an average 6-ft or so.

Adam Erne, RW- Quebec Top-ranked New England native is from Connecticut. Bull in a china shop scored 4 goals the other night, so he has offensive upside to go with a power forward package. Needs to keep putting the points up, but looks to be on his way.

U.S. NCAA/jrs/HS/prep: Good, solid quality down the line between USHL, EJHL Mich/Minn/NY/NE high schools and prep schools.

Tyler Hill, RW- Hotchkiss At 6-6, 225 pounds manchild won't turn 18 until April and has skill to boot. Will split time in prep and in the USHL which could boost his draft stock. Will need to dominate at Hotchkiss, though. Not yet committed, but leaning towards the Ivy League with Harvard and Cornell rumored to lead the pack. From Ontario, but dual-citizen so eligible for Team USA as well.

J.T. Compher, C- U.S. NTDP Well-rounded player can do it all. Average size, but high-end hockey sense, drive and good skills. Dedicated, two-way forward whose feet never stop moving. Character guy who will go ahead of a few players with better skill because of the heart and character.

Ryan Fitzgerald, C- Valley Jr. Warriors Tom's oldest son is a slick playmaker whose stock is rising after earning MVP honors at the All-American Prospects Game. Late '94 who led Malden Catholic to 2 consecutive D1 Super 8 titles with Brendan Collier. Not a blazing skater, but so smart and adept at creating scoring chances out of nothing. BC recruit.

Hudson Fasching, RW- U.S. NTDP The "Apple Valley Assassin" has size, skating, shot and sense- just needs the spirit (drive, consistency) in his game or else he'd be a top-15 guy right now. When on his game, he's a top power forward who can beat you a variety of ways, but the light doesn't always go on.

Ian McCoshen, D- Waterloo Offensive upside a question, but he's got size, can skate and should be a nice shutdown defender at highest level. Plays an effective, mistake-free game.

Europe: Another great year for Sweden, plus Finland, Russia have some impressive players too. 2013 WJC will be fun

Elias Lindholm, C- Brynas- You run out of superlatives pretty fast to describe this playmaking center who has everything you want: speed, skill, sense, passion, leadership. Only average-sized, but he's drawing comparisons already to top Swedish talents in history.

Rasmus Ristolainen, D- TPS Turku Speedy, aggressive offensive d-man has already played in the WJC and will be even better this time around. Sees the ice beautifully and runs the PP like a seasoned vet.

Aleksander 'Sasha' Barkov, C- Tampere Finnish son of former Russian who starred in SM-Liiga. 6-2 frame with soft hands makes him a dangerous scorer with high-end upside if he can maximize his natural gifts. At times, reminds me of Joel Armia and not in a good way, so will have to ramp up the intensity to stay in a potential top-5 draft position come June.

Jacob de la Rose, C- Leksand Big kid isn't the greatest skater in terms of explosiveness and top gear, but compensates with intelligence and effort/intensity. A natural leader who does all the little things, but lack of offensive upside may drop him as season goes on.

Pavel Buchnevich, RW- Cherepovets Skilled Russian plays the off-wing and fits the mold- dangerous with the puck with speed and dynamic element. Intensity also wavers from shift to shift, but when on, easily a top-15 talent. There's the usual risk involved with taking Russians early with this kid, but also the large reward. Detroit or Washington on draft day?

OK- that's it. Not meant to be a comprehensive list, but just to whet the appetite. Hope folks can add to the discussion and populate with more players as you see them and can provide analysis. Tougher for me to see the New England guys this year, but have a few scouting trips planned.

A few sleepers who aren't maybe tracking as well in the open discussion:

Eddie Ellis, C Phillips-Andover Love his creativity and attitude. Typical prep player who is going to need considerable development, but the Harvard-bound Ellis should be getting more love in the draft than he is.

Teemu Kivilhalme, D- Burnsville (Minn) H.S. Mobile defender stood out on video at the Hlinka. Very good skater with smooth footwork- makes it look easy. Crisp puck mover. Not flashy but solid and efficient.

Bogdan Yakimov, C- Novokuznetsk Late '94 is already 6-4, 225. Unfortunately, he skates like it too. But, he's got a big shot and puts forth the effort. Worth a look in the later rounds even with the risky Russian tag.

Mods- please sticky if you feel worthy...

Can`t speak to the ego part of Mackinnon Kirk, nor do I have access behind the scenes to witness potential work ethic issues, all I can say is, when the puck drops to begin a game, Mackinnon does nothing short of busting his arse all over the place.

Drouin has been as advertised and has quietly put himself firmly in the conversation of top draft picks. They play a bit of a different game, Mack is more willing to initiate physical play and Drouin prefers a more finesse approach with less physicality but is hardly afraid of going to the dirty areas on the ice.

Tell you one thing, to watch these two has been a treat, best one two punch I`ve seen live in 30 years of watching Junior hockey. Had the pleasure of seeing some great players in Ottawa as Dad was a longtime season tix holder, and have been a Moose season tix holder for a while now, these two are lightning together.

Dom - OHL 10-30-2012 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Crossfire (Post 55386483)
opinions on Ryan Kujawinski?

As advertised. Everything you've probably read about him is true. Has picked up where he left off after the trade to Kingston ( for Spooner ). Don't let the stats fool you when it comes to RK.

Kingston is such a young team not only with plenty of '95 birthdates, but a couple of '96's so with such an inexperienced team, he won't put up the numbers like he would playing for a Plymouth, but he'll put up good numbers. Right now, I'd say he's fifth in the OHL which probably puts him at the top of the second round, maybe bottom of the first

BlackNgold 84 10-30-2012 07:28 AM

I'm glad this board exists.. don't get to see too many juniors games or follow too many games during the nhl season. But since they're arguing over billions of dollars i'll go watch some kids play their hearts out. And i just checked out Darnell Nurse.. if this kid slides to the 20's I would hope the bruins pick him up. Kids looks talented and tough as nails.

Bonecrusher11 10-30-2012 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by OrrOverGretzky (Post 55385953)
each team started with three balls. For every playoff appearance in the last three years or No. 1 overall pick over the last four years, a team lost one ball. But each team was still guaranteed to have one ball in the lottery. From there it was snaked : 30th picked 31st, 29 picked 32nd and so on

Ducks-2
Bruins-1
Sabres-1
Flames-3
Hurricanes-3
Blackhawks-1
Avalanche-2
Blue Jackets-3
Stars-3
Red Wings-1
Oilers-1
Panthers-2
Kings-1
Wild-3
Scabs-1
Predators-1
Devils-1
Islanders-2
Rangers-1
Senators-1
Flyers-1
Coyotes-1
Penguins-1
Sharks-1
Blues-2
Lightning-2
Maple Leafs-3
Canucks-1
Capitals-1
Jets-3

I think that's how it would shake out, but if I did something wrong someone feel free to correct me. Teams with three balls: Flames, Hurricanes, Blue Jackets, Stars, Wild, Leafs, Jets

DoubleAAAA 10-30-2012 11:10 AM

Nice that it's snaked so even if you pull a late ball you get an early 2nd, especially useful in a deep draft.

ed bruin 10-30-2012 11:21 AM

I've been watching a lot of Barkov before going to classes in the morning and I think he could really challenge for the third overall spot. The kid reminds me of a bigger Nugent-Hopkins the way he plays. He is big yes and sometimes he doesn't utilize his size to his advantage, but he has a certain smarts about him where he knows when to play the puck or not. Also he has great hands, great vision, ok skating and hes big. I mentioned before he doesn't always play to his size but keep in mind he is one of the youngest draft eligible players in the whole draft and he his playing in a mens league. If the Bruins (hopefully they dont) have the the third pick. It should be Barkov

Kirk- NEHJ 10-30-2012 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ed bruin (Post 55396035)
I've been watching a lot of Barkov before going to classes in the morning and I think he could really challenge for the third overall spot. The kid reminds me of a bigger Nugent-Hopkins the way he plays. He is big yes and sometimes he doesn't utilize his size to his advantage, but he has a certain smarts about him where he knows when to play the puck or not. Also he has great hands, great vision, ok skating and hes big. I mentioned before he doesn't always play to his size but keep in mind he is one of the youngest draft eligible players in the whole draft and he his playing in a mens league. If the Bruins (hopefully they dont) have the the third pick. It should be Barkov

You gathered all of that and a bag of chips by watching Youtube highlights before class?

Man- I think I have the wrong gig!

DKH 10-30-2012 02:02 PM

great thread- just started reading up on my Red Line (Dom u know who took the September and never gave it back)....what about Jordan Subban, he have a chance?

also, it will be interesting to see what Toronto does if they have a pick and both Domi and Horvat are available and both rated right around 14-19. The pressure will be on BB to take Domi, but Horvat is just so damn good allaround and a bull....boy would I like to see him on the Bruins

Montecristo 10-30-2012 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DKH (Post 55399687)
great thread- just started reading up on my Red Line (Dom u know who took the September and never gave it back)....what about Jordan Subban, he have a chance?

also, it will be interesting to see what Toronto does if they have a pick and both Domi and Horvat are available and both rated right around 14-19. The pressure will be on BB to take Domi, but Horvat is just so damn good allaround and a bull....boy would I like to see him on the Bruins


Isn't horvat more of a 2 way defensive forward? I feel the b's are loaded with those types of guys. He seems like he could be a great 3rd liner. I'd rather get a defensemen in this draft. Santini, nurse etc. depending on who's available I really like the big forwards too. Adam Erne will probably be gone by the 20s but he would be a guy I'd want if the b's go offense. I also like a kid named Stephen Harper from Erie in the OHL. He seems to be a leader and is tutoring young phenom Connor mcdavid this year

ed bruin 10-30-2012 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirk- NEHJ (Post 55399447)
You gathered all of that and a bag of chips by watching Youtube highlights before class?

Man- I think I have the wrong gig!

nahh I watched Tappara games on stream before classes in the afternoon, checkout the Barkov thread on the prospect page and there are almost daily links to his games. I've watched about half their games this year... Woah way to come in so hard, didn't mean to step on toes

Kirk- NEHJ 10-30-2012 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ed bruin (Post 55403805)
nahh I watched Tappara games on stream before classes in the afternoon, checkout the Barkov thread on the prospect page and there are almost daily links to his games. I've watched about half their games this year... Woah way to come in so hard, didn't mean to step on toes

Apologies, you're certainly welcome to your opinion. But do you care about how others view your position? Might I suggest you take a little more time to take a look at other players? When you start talking about the Bruins taking a player 3rd overall and you're just watching video/have just a few games against a sample size, it seems like your mind is made up...a couple of months into a long season.

Just what exactly are you basing that recommendation on? And who would you pass on to take Barkov 3rd, assuming MacKinnon and Jones went 1st and 2nd? Are you completely ready to pass on Sean Monahan to take Barkov? That would be news to most in the biz.

I just have a hard time when people take a firm position based on watching a couple of games on a stream. How about more research on players and let a little more time elapse before making such a strong declaration on October 30?

Montecristo 10-30-2012 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirk- NEHJ (Post 55406623)
Apologies, you're certainly welcome to your opinion. But do you care about how others view your position? Because if you do and want to be taken somewhat seriously, then might I suggest you take a little more time to take a look at other players? When you start talking about the Bruins taking a player 3rd overall and you're just watching video/have just a few games against a sample size, it seems like your mind is made up...a couple of months into a long season.

Just what exactly are you basing that recommendation on? And who would you pass on to take Barkov 3rd, assuming MacKinnon and Jones went 1st and 2nd? Are you completely ready to pass on Sean Monahan to take Barkov? That would be news to most in the biz.

I just have a hard time when people take a firm position based on watching a couple of games on a stream. How about more research on players and let a little more time elapse before making such a strong declaration on October 30?

I think the difference come draft time between monahan and barkov will be minimal, however I think given the choice the Bs go monahan. OHL Players have been good the bruins recently, and the comps between monahan and barkov have been toews and kopitar, can't go wrong with either guy. I am basing my opinion though not of games watched, I haven't seen either player skate aside from the summer tourney for monahan. But I do have a good understanding on the concepts of reading. So I read the scouting reports from people with a better eye then I.

With those scouting reports, maybe 5 or more from 5 different sources on every player, I'm able to make a educated decision on who I think the bruins will draft. I have no credentials, no real scouting background, but I can read and I can research. The past 3 drafts the bruins have went OHL in the first round. Before that it was the Q with Caron (perhaps a letdown for a first round pick), in 2008 it was the risky HS prospect, Colborne (also a bit of a disappointment so far) and in 07 it was the WHL with hamil (no words necessary). However, the returns on seguin and Hamilton might be gargantuan and subban is looking more and more like a potential star by the glowing reports by Claude and chiarelli lately.

I'm willing to bet unless a prospect from another league inexplicably drops to the bruins or they are in a position to draft someone like jones, the tie will go to the OHL. If they are sitting their thinking between lazar and Rychel, my feeling is they go Rychel. If they are picking between morrisey and nurse, I think they go nurse. Just a feeling I have that the bruins have lost some faith in either their ability to scout other leagues or the ability for the other leagues to produce NHL talent.

I think they like Americans too though, they've drafted a few NCAA bound players the last few years with promising results so far (ferlin, grzelcyk, trotman).

Basically my prediction is an ohl player or a US player. Nurse, Rychel, santini, fasching...Someone like that. And I haven't seen any of them play.

Shaun 10-30-2012 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OrrOverGretzky (Post 55393025)
As advertised. Everything you've probably read about him is true. Has picked up where he left off after the trade to Kingston ( for Spooner ). Don't let the stats fool you when it comes to RK.

Kingston is such a young team not only with plenty of '95 birthdates, but a couple of '96's so with such an inexperienced team, he won't put up the numbers like he would playing for a Plymouth, but he'll put up good numbers. Right now, I'd say he's fifth in the OHL which probably puts him at the top of the second round, maybe bottom of the first

thanks!

I caught a stream of him earlier this year when he played against Dougie. He had a couple of goals and looked pretty good but I haven't been able to watch him since.

Kirk- NEHJ 10-30-2012 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Montecristo (Post 55407305)
I think the difference come draft time between monahan and barkov will be minimal, however I think given the choice the Bs go monahan. OHL Players have been good the bruins recently, and the comps between monahan and barkov have been toews and kopitar, can't go wrong with either guy. I am basing my opinion though not of games watched, I haven't seen either player skate aside from the summer tourney for monahan. But I do have a good understanding on the concepts of reading. So I read the scouting reports from people with a better eye then I.

With those scouting reports, maybe 5 or more from 5 different sources on every player, I'm able to make a educated decision on who I think the bruins will draft. I have no credentials, no real scouting background, but I can read and I can research.

I think they like Americans too though, they've drafted a few NCAA bound players the last few years with promising results so far (ferlin, grzelcyk, trotman).

Basically my prediction is an ohl player or a US player. Nurse, Rychel, santini, fasching...Someone like that. And I haven't seen any of them play.

Good perspective.

My point is mainly that it's not even November yet and so much can change.

I've been watching Barkov online and on video going back to last year and his biggest issue is play away from the puck and intensity/consistency- and admittedly that's tough to do when you haven't seen him live. But my Red Line colleagues in Europe all say the same thing. No one is doubting his talent level or potential, but it's a pretty bold statement to say the Bruins should draft him 3rd (assuming they would even have the 3rd pick). Joel Armia played against men, too-- but he didn't get picked in the top-5 because of concerns about the rest of his game. That in itself (playing in European pro leagues vs. major junior) is not a reason a team will take a player higher than a hard-driving, non-stop motor kid in junior, but it is a factor. How much of a factor depends on team to team and how much influence the guys advocating for the European pro have on the GM.

I always wonder what is it about some players that get fans so hyped up about them before we've even really had a chance to see them perform over an entire draft season? For some, maybe it's in the name. Others? I don't know- the size and potential? But lord help us if NHL teams are making final declarations at this stage of the year, so I guess I don't understand why some fans do it.

But you're right- the Bruins have followed some pretty clear-cut trends of late. The last time they took a Euro in the 1st round was in 2002...Hannu Toivonen. I imagine that if the value is right wherever they are picking, they'd do it again. But when you consider that most of their scouting staff is based in North America and even moreso- in Ontario- it's no accident that 6 of their picks in the 1st two rounds since 2010 have come out of the OHL.

bruinsfan46 10-30-2012 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Montecristo (Post 55381621)
The Bs have had good luck going to the OHL the past few years. Wouldn't be surprised if Darnell nurse gets a look. He might be around in the 20s where the Bs should be picking. Another couple guys I like for the bruins is Max Domi if he slides or josh morrissey.

If they didn't already have grizz, warsofsky and krug I'd mention the final subban but that would be over redundant

I don't think Nurse's available that late when all is said and done. Great upside and having a strong start to the year, easily could see him working up to the top 10-15. Plenty of OHLers I do like that could be available in the 20s if there is a season and that is where the Bruins end up, Horvat, Kujawinski, Rychel and Dickinson are all forwards with good size and skill that could be available. Zadorov is a big defenseman like Nurse but without quite the upside, very physical Russian.

Rookie Chargers 10-30-2012 08:25 PM

The Bruins load the table and go for a LW - Drouin.


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